2nd amendment under attack ( Archived) (131)

Sep 27, 2013 11:34 PM CST 2nd amendment under attack
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Kaybee50: You left out Easter Island. There are some pretty hard headed guys there.



Thanks for that wave


Mind you I'm sure that 99% of them are wonderful and would enrich my life just in knowing them conversing
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Sep 27, 2013 11:36 PM CST 2nd amendment under attack
serene56: Thanks for that Mind you I'm sure that 99% of them are wonderful and would enrich my life just in knowing them


They've got hard heads because they're those monuments of heads. Bad humor...sorry. moping
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Sep 27, 2013 11:36 PM CST 2nd amendment under attack
justjim63
justjim63justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 2,592 Posts
serene56: Thanks for that Mind you I'm sure that 99% of them are wonderful and would enrich my life just in knowing them


It sounds as though Your life could do with a little enrichment.comfort
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Sep 27, 2013 11:37 PM CST 2nd amendment under attack
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Kaybee50: They've got hard heads because they're those monuments of heads. Bad humor...sorry.



Sorry, missed that giggle laugh handshake
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Sep 28, 2013 2:26 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
YouMeUs: What part of "Ban all guns, then only the criminals will have them" do you not comprehend?

Regardless of the context, rights are rights and if anyone wanted to take YOUR rights away from YOU, would you simply cower down and allow it to happen? Tell the truth!

And no matter even if all guns were removed from this earth, they'll still fashion something else to inflict harm onto others.
And that, my friend, is a proven fact. History has proven this time after time.

You say you, as a citizen of your country have no guns? So does that also mean there are absolutely no murders ever happening in your country? What are they using to kill? Should you petition to have those weapons banned as well? Should you continue petitioning until the very last item that could be used to kill, be banned? Then what would be left for you to petition?


Like I posted earlier, I have never seen anything written by the American Government saying they want to ban all privately held guns, however, they do say that they want to improve the regulations regarding who can own and carry a gun, but the gun lobby always blow such ideas up into some huge and inaccurate full ban.

Surely better regulation would make everyones life safer in the US?

Why not allow just anyone to drive cars, trucks etc? Because we all realise they can kill, so we put in place training and licenses to ensure a better safety for everyone. What makes guns any different?

And lets face it,the reality is a gun is solely designed to kill, it has no other purpose. And while of course there are many other tools that can kill, that is not their primary purpose.

Can you just imagine if a certain person was in a bar, carrying a glock, and having this discussion with all the other posters? most of us arguing against his dubious opinion would probably be dead by now. Food for thought???
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Sep 28, 2013 4:00 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
justjim63: Mate don't get Your nuts in a knot! If You're happy with Having Your right to have guns then good on You, but are You happy for so many of Your people to die as a result of that right?
I'm just glad that were separated by a big stretch of water!
Thank you for making your agenda very obvious.
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Sep 28, 2013 4:12 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
rizlared: Like I posted earlier, I have never seen anything written by the American Government saying they want to ban all privately held guns, however, they do say that they want to improve the regulations regarding who can own and carry a gun, but the gun lobby always blow such ideas up into some huge and inaccurate full ban.

Surely better regulation would make everyones life safer in the US?

Why not allow just anyone to drive cars, trucks etc? Because we all realise they can kill, so we put in place training and licenses to ensure a better safety for everyone. What makes guns any different?

And lets face it,the reality is a gun is solely designed to kill, it has no other purpose. And while of course there are many other tools that can kill, that is not their primary purpose.

Can you just imagine if a certain person was in a bar, carrying a glock, and having this discussion with all the other posters? most of us arguing against his dubious opinion would probably be dead by now. Food for thought???
Search a little deeper than what you may be finding on the web where you are, because I could give you a list of different types of guns that are in fact, wanted to be banned by our government. And please, spare the propaganda.
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Sep 28, 2013 4:17 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
rizlared: Like I posted earlier, I have never seen anything written by the American Government saying they want to ban all privately held guns, however, they do say that they want to improve the regulations regarding who can own and carry a gun, but the gun lobby always blow such ideas up into some huge and inaccurate full ban.

Surely better regulation would make everyones life safer in the US?

Why not allow just anyone to drive cars, trucks etc? Because we all realise they can kill, so we put in place training and licenses to ensure a better safety for everyone. What makes guns any different?

And lets face it,the reality is a gun is solely designed to kill, it has no other purpose. And while of course there are many other tools that can kill, that is not their primary purpose.

Can you just imagine if a certain person was in a bar, carrying a glock, and having this discussion with all the other posters? most of us arguing against his dubious opinion would probably be dead by now. Food for thought???
Janet Reno made the position perfectly clear,though!

Waiting periods are only a step.
Registration is only a step.
The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.

Janet Reno (b. 1938)

Attorney General under Clinton!
Oversaw Waco,Ruby Ridge and the Elian Gonzales Fiasco!

That Phrase was uttered during her Tenure as AG!
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Sep 28, 2013 4:30 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
As I see it.

The Americans carried weapons before becoming the U.S. Constitution. Some carried flintlocks and other spears and arrows.

The Constitution recognized inalienable rights.

After an amendment "gives" the right to bear arms.

Now they don't want that right in the laws, so it wasn't an inalienable right since you can lose it.
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Sep 28, 2013 5:32 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
Chuckles to Dooby and rofl to Kaybee applause

I think the whole 2nd Amendment needs to be Emended!

I agree that a well regulated militia needs to bear arms, and hunters should have the right to kill deer for their family dinner table, but no hunter needs nor should be permitted to have a military style assault weapon to do so! There is no propaganda in the statement that ammo clips containing dozens of bullets are designed for one purpose - to kill dozens of people as quickly as possible! I think guns should be registered and regulated.
Our current gun laws are archaic!

Yep, I'm one of those idiots who voted for POTUS (twice) and I'm glad my vote cancels one of you (crazy) card carrying NRA member. comfort
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Sep 28, 2013 8:57 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
First of all, the title of this thread is false. The 2nd amendment is not “under attack”. That is just rabble rousing and pot stirring. There is no concerted effort being waged by anybody to take all guns away from citizens. If there is I would like to see some actual proof that this is so. It's easy to sit in front of a computer and type statements like this, it's another to prove it. Oh and Conrad, Janet Reno isn't AG anymore and Bill Clinton isn't president. She stuck her foot in her mouth with that statement, politicians do that from time to time. Show me the legislation that's in place to take all firearms away from the American people! You can't because none exists.

Second, I can't imagine that even the staunchest gun rights advocate thinks it's ok for a criminally insane person like Jarad Laughner or Adam Lanza to ever possess a semi automatic rifle with a 30 shot clip. If there is, then that person is just as crazy as those 2. If both sides of the issue can't agree on that point then there is no hope of ever coming to a workable solution to the problem.

Third, the statement, (If you)”ban all guns, then only the criminals will have them”. Is also false because nobody is trying to ban all guns! That is just scare tactics and hollow misleading rhetoric. Besides, if you examine where criminals get guns it will be apparent that the lack of effective preventive laws and enforcement such as background checks allows felons to simply walk into a gun show and buy one or more and the unlimited access to ammo online and the proliferation of guns in private homes gives criminals a mother load of guns to steal like taking candy from a baby.

Fourth, The paranoid from Texas who's milking the medical system of France, made reference to banning all beer ie “prohibition” failed, implying that banning alcohol was a failure, so banning guns will also fail. This is also false for 2 reasons. 1, There is no such thing as an addiction to owning a firearm like there is with alcohol. 2, Nobody is trying to ban all guns!

Fifth, The 2nd amendment, as written, is flawed! It is in serious need to be updated to make it more relevant to the modern age we all live in today. I could write a book about the differences between the world of today with the world of the 1700's. It's unfortunate that back then, the people who enacted the laws and wrote that awesome document didn't have a crystal ball or time machine that gave them the kind of foresight to even imagine the world as it is today, if they had, I think they would have changed the wording a lot to allow for the evolving of the Constitution.

Finally, I have a .22 rifle with a 4X scope. It has a tubular magazine that holds about 15 bullets and yes it is a semi automatic. I use it to dispatch possums and raccoons that would kill and eat my chickens. It is a tool just like a steak knife, a hammer, and a pair of scissors, every one of which is a lethal weapon in the wrong hands. Nobody is going to take my rifle away from me because without it I would be unable to produce eggs for my own consumption and to sell. People like me are not the problem and nobody in the government is working to confiscate my rifle.
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