Are you a killer..? (63)
In response to: Are you a killer..?
No, but I bet if a man strangles you he might get a light sentence on the grounds of diminished responsibility. 
MADDOG69: No, but I bet if a man strangles you he might get a light sentence on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
I bet he would, and I'd even plea in defense for him from my grave! 
But so you are saying there is no scenario in which you see yourself turning into a killer? (aside maybe from strangling me
)tinyfangs: I bet he would, and I'd even plea in defense for him from my grave!
But so you are saying there is no scenario in which you see yourself turning into a killer? (aside maybe from strangling me )
But so you are saying there is no scenario in which you see yourself turning into a killer? (aside maybe from strangling me )
Yeah I mean... people can be dehumanised sufficiently to do all sorts of things including killing other people. Sure. However, killing someone because one was unfaithful and started to get afraid of it all coming back to haunt is clearly unreasonable murder. Just as an example.
I would kill for Ireland.
tinyfangs: You find that not a valid thing to ponder?
I have pondered it for about 0.456246 seconds. And the point of the matter is, that people who are of that nature that do murder should still be punished for it. I'm uncomfortable with any sort of line that might want to sterilise crimes of premeditated (or not) murder into some sort of victim card to play. though.snowlynx: I would kill for Ireland.
I think many feel in such ways for their country, reason why armies can be build and will end battling, or otherwise they'd meet on the battlefield and just wave at each other and would go home again.
It is scary, but I do think we carry the ability to kill in us, most if not all of us do, and in some cases it turns to murder because individuals lose control over it. Never excusable! That is what I have been stating, but could we maybe prevent some of it, if we'd look at that ability in us close enough, before a situation might arise that could trigger it?
MADDOG69: I have pondered it for about 0.456246 seconds. And the point of the matter is, that people who are of that nature that do murder should still be punished for it. I'm uncomfortable with any sort of line that might want to sterilise crimes of premeditated (or not) murder into some sort of victim card to play. though.
I am 100% with you on that, I never stated differently. And we need laws with scare effect, as it forces an individual to weight self benefits. In truth, I actually find the sentences too light now, as life expectancies are rising, but the system is under huge pressure due to crime rates rising too. Lots of costs involved, which could lead to the question of death sentencing, but not going there, won't discuss this.
snowlynx: I would kill for Ireland.
Don't you mean the crown
tinyfangs: I hope this thread won't be an issue, as it isn't about promoting violence, but rather realising facts about the own self.
Many people when asked this question will no doubt say NO! And they are sort of correct, but same time I believe they are also not.
There lives a killer in each and everyone of us. We are not psychopathes for this, those are a completely different ball game.. but we all I think would agree that in self defense we'd act, and some of us would also act in defense of another.
I know for certain I would not hesitate to defend a child for example, and it would not even have to be my own, and if there'd be a gun in my hand in a moment where I'd come to witness someone just about to kill a child - I'd pull the trigger with no hesitation.
Fortunately those type of situations will usually not arise in our regulated and domesticated society, and thus we tend to not spend much thought on it, but I personally feel we actually should look at this ability within us to kill, to find where our threshold for it lies.
I came to post this due to a discussion in another thread, where I put a controversial scenario forth. It was an uncomfortable scenario, as I believe because it could force us to suddenly 'relate' to the fact that there can be reasons for murder, and that we ourselves deep within carry limits and reasons that could make us react and turn into killers too. I don't think we are aware we shy away from imagining certain scenarios, but I do believe it could be an explanation why we do aso.
Self defense is something most of us will understand and accept as a reason why we could end up killing, but I'd say people carry different levels of what they by their own nature consider 'self defense'. Not as in something that could hold up in a court of law, please do not misunderstand me with this - but within the inner realms of an individual.
For example what if someone threatens our rescources? What if someone threatens our lifestyle? How much of this would we allow, before we'd begin to see it as a case of defending our self interest?
I'd say in a less stable mind, that threshold can be reached faster, and then murder can occure. Under strain, clear thought can end failing and instinct can kick in (panicks being one) which is by NO MEANS an excuse for it happening, as any stable individual should be able to control that self preserving instinct, but I personally believe it can help us to understand ourselves, and also give us tools to deal with this, if we do look at our own thresholds and imagine situation in which it may could be breached.
Not sure this makes clear sense, but I felt it worth to put up for discussion, as well as maybe an excercise for the self - a self that in our modern world rarely gets tested on this, so - how can we truly tell where our limits lie, if they do not get tested, and if we do not even spend time on looking at them?
Many people when asked this question will no doubt say NO! And they are sort of correct, but same time I believe they are also not.
There lives a killer in each and everyone of us. We are not psychopathes for this, those are a completely different ball game.. but we all I think would agree that in self defense we'd act, and some of us would also act in defense of another.
I know for certain I would not hesitate to defend a child for example, and it would not even have to be my own, and if there'd be a gun in my hand in a moment where I'd come to witness someone just about to kill a child - I'd pull the trigger with no hesitation.
Fortunately those type of situations will usually not arise in our regulated and domesticated society, and thus we tend to not spend much thought on it, but I personally feel we actually should look at this ability within us to kill, to find where our threshold for it lies.
I came to post this due to a discussion in another thread, where I put a controversial scenario forth. It was an uncomfortable scenario, as I believe because it could force us to suddenly 'relate' to the fact that there can be reasons for murder, and that we ourselves deep within carry limits and reasons that could make us react and turn into killers too. I don't think we are aware we shy away from imagining certain scenarios, but I do believe it could be an explanation why we do aso.
Self defense is something most of us will understand and accept as a reason why we could end up killing, but I'd say people carry different levels of what they by their own nature consider 'self defense'. Not as in something that could hold up in a court of law, please do not misunderstand me with this - but within the inner realms of an individual.
For example what if someone threatens our rescources? What if someone threatens our lifestyle? How much of this would we allow, before we'd begin to see it as a case of defending our self interest?
I'd say in a less stable mind, that threshold can be reached faster, and then murder can occure. Under strain, clear thought can end failing and instinct can kick in (panicks being one) which is by NO MEANS an excuse for it happening, as any stable individual should be able to control that self preserving instinct, but I personally believe it can help us to understand ourselves, and also give us tools to deal with this, if we do look at our own thresholds and imagine situation in which it may could be breached.
Not sure this makes clear sense, but I felt it worth to put up for discussion, as well as maybe an excercise for the self - a self that in our modern world rarely gets tested on this, so - how can we truly tell where our limits lie, if they do not get tested, and if we do not even spend time on looking at them?
I have one question!
Have you ever been in a fight or flight situation, if so what was your reaction?
I was going to say been a victim of a crime but that's to broad a spectrum.
coywen: Been a victim of crime myself. where 1 guy got shot, very lucky to be alive i can tell you. I just froze at the time. Was angry for ages but no i could not kill anybody (hope that makes sense)
So sorry to hear that, coyen *hugs tight* I know I could kill. I would kill to defend anyone I love, and I'd kill for any child. That's my threshold for definite, and I hope I will never be driven to it.
MADDOG69: Wow. What did the cops say?
It was a cop... In the States. I was a tourist, I would not have stood a chance in court, but I was friends with some other police officers and they wanted his name, which I didn't have, they wanted to kill him, but I said no anyway, as I saw it also as my fault, my own totally blue-eyed naivity, in my view anyway. I should have seen the signs, but trusted because it was a cop, I didn't connect the dots and got myself into huge danger.
Just hope no other girl ever fell victim to him, but regardless - it would have never stood in court against an officer of the force.
@ tiny fangs yes i can see where you are coming from,re children and people you love. Thank god so far in my life(in my mind i might have taught it)but in reality no there is law to protect us. As with everything its who you know will benefit (re case got a fine of 100 euros brother a guard where do 1 stand) enough of my ranting must go and have a laugh. 
coywen: @ tiny fangs yes i can see where you are coming from,re children and people you love. Thank god so far in my life(in my mind i might have taught it)but in reality no there is law to protect us. As with everything its who you know will benefit (re case got a fine of 100 euros brother a guard where do 1 stand) enough of my ranting must go and have a laugh.
Hope you find lots of things to smile and laugh about
Sometimes all that keeps us going ^^
tinyfangs: It was a cop...
btw.. had only asked for directions.......
tinyfangs: In court, mother of little girl pulled a gun, shot p*dophile dead.
its 
or 
its fight or flight time
or its fight or flight timeFraya: and what else would you say on a dating site
anything but date mjpd67: anything but date
Did you meet your last date from here or in the big world outside of here
It would be nice to think some dated from here, well now and again even
mjpd67: anything but date
Ah I dont know about that...I get the dry humour.
I suspect, as with many, the "real" stuff is kept out of public forum.
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Many people when asked this question will no doubt say NO! And they are sort of correct, but same time I believe they are also not.
There lives a killer in each and everyone of us. We are not psychopathes for this, those are a completely different ball game.. but we all I think would agree that in self defense we'd act, and some of us would also act in defense of another.
I know for certain I would not hesitate to defend a child for example, and it would not even have to be my own, and if there'd be a gun in my hand in a moment where I'd come to witness someone just about to kill a child - I'd pull the trigger with no hesitation.
Fortunately those type of situations will usually not arise in our regulated and domesticated society, and thus we tend to not spend much thought on it, but I personally feel we actually should look at this ability within us to kill, to find where our threshold for it lies.
I came to post this due to a discussion in another thread, where I put a controversial scenario forth. It was an uncomfortable scenario, as I believe because it could force us to suddenly 'relate' to the fact that there can be reasons for murder, and that we ourselves deep within carry limits and reasons that could make us react and turn into killers too. I don't think we are aware we shy away from imagining certain scenarios, but I do believe it could be an explanation why we do aso.
Self defense is something most of us will understand and accept as a reason why we could end up killing, but I'd say people carry different levels of what they by their own nature consider 'self defense'. Not as in something that could hold up in a court of law, please do not misunderstand me with this - but within the inner realms of an individual.
For example what if someone threatens our rescources? What if someone threatens our lifestyle? How much of this would we allow, before we'd begin to see it as a case of defending our self interest?
I'd say in a less stable mind, that threshold can be reached faster, and then murder can occure. Under strain, clear thought can end failing and instinct can kick in (panicks being one) which is by NO MEANS an excuse for it happening, as any stable individual should be able to control that self preserving instinct, but I personally believe it can help us to understand ourselves, and also give us tools to deal with this, if we do look at our own thresholds and imagine situation in which it may could be breached.
Not sure this makes clear sense, but I felt it worth to put up for discussion, as well as maybe an excercise for the self - a self that in our modern world rarely gets tested on this, so - how can we truly tell where our limits lie, if they do not get tested, and if we do not even spend time on looking at them?