China produces faulty goods. ( Archived) (57)

Nov 18, 2013 2:04 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
With so many British firms turning to low cost manufacturers in China, Taiwan and India to produce their goods, consumers could be forgiven for thinking that manufacturing in the UK is all but dead.
But after manufacturing in China nearly broke the company, one UK firm has defied convention by bringing production back home to the UK – and making a success of it.

Last year luxury goods producer Patrona nearly went bust thanks to a Chinese production fiasco. The firm which makes the Shirt Shuttle – a plastic travel case designed to keep folded shirts from creasing – had to write-off £250,000 worth of stock from its Chinese factory after discovering it was faulty.
With all of the stock having been pre-sold to major UK retailers, the incident could have been disastrous for the company, founded only three years ago.


Patrona founder Matthew Brundan brought manufacturing back to Britain after Chinese factories …
“I used to work in Mayfair as a chartered surveyor and cycle to work,” founder Andrew Brundan told Yahoo Finance UK. “I realised it was a nightmare getting my shirt to work uncreased, so I put together a prototype of the Shirt Shuttle.”
[British SMEs think overseas expansion is too risky]

Andrew raised funds from a venture capital firm and sold his flat to pay for the stock, launching the product in the Conran Shop in 2011. He successfully sold 23,000 units in the first six months. After getting backing from Sir Terence Conran, Andrew then set up the manufacturing base for the product in China. But all was not well.

“It very quickly became apparently that there was a problem,” said Andrew. “We started getting products returned. The factory hadn’t used the right material and the plastic broke.”

Fortunately, Andrew was able to convince his investors to lend the company £60,000 to keep Patrona afloat. He took the dramatic step of bringing production back to the UK.

“We managed to set up a production line in Hampshire retrofitting the products for sale,” he said. The company then set up a pop-up shop in White City ahead of Christmas 2012 to sell the products and try to claw back some of the lost money.

“It was a serious situation to be in and a steep learning curve,” he recalled. “I decided I’d never make another product in China.”

Patrona's Shirt Shuttle means your clothes won't crease in transport
These days, all of Patrona’s products, including a new luxury magnetic phone wallet which launched this month – a diamond-encrusted version is selling in Harrods for £5,000 - are produced in the UK.

In January this year, the firm designed a new range of products and sourced four factories in the UK to manufacture them, as well as setting up its own assembly plant in Watford.

Its leather products are now made in Yeovil, while the steel components are made in Cambridgeshire and the adhesives work carried out in Preston.
[Should you set up a pop-up shop?]

Cheaper too

Rather than costing it more money, the firm says swapping low-cost Chinese production for cutting-edge British manufacturing techniques has helped improved quality, cut waste by 20%, taken six months out of its pre-production phase and yet still kept prices competitive with China.

“Everyone [manufacturing in China] accepts 10% is going to be bad stock,” said Andrew. “At the Chinese factory [when you give them the production spec] they view it as guidelines rather than a contractual obligation.”

“ We’ve got so much more control. Whenever we have a problem, we just drive down the A6 and we’re in front of people. Plus, usually by the time we’ve got there they’ve solved the problem. They’re fun to work with and they’re honest.”
Yahoo,
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Nov 18, 2013 2:31 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
If you have manufactured 100.000 pc of a product in China they will make 150.000 pc.
You get your 100.000 pc and they sell 50.000 them selves

Thats sort of the standard rule
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Nov 18, 2013 2:50 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Adalstef: If you have manufactured 100.000 pc of a product in China they will make 150.000 pc.
You get your 100.000 pc and they sell 50.000 them selves

Thats sort of the standard rule



They send you 100.000 faulty ones and sell 50.000 good ones, hmm sneaky.
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Nov 18, 2013 3:12 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
think china has also been flooding the west with free goods, take chainsaws, can buy 52cc chainsaw on eBay delivered in your door anywhere in australia for the usual $83
the saw has been made, shipped to aust, marketed by wholesaler then retailer and posted, country is flooded with them myself living in the bush have 52cc, 56cc and a 72cc saws, they ok, not $2000 + husqvarna or stil but ok, can get parts for them etc

Tis the best way to stuff capitalism
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Nov 18, 2013 3:15 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
robplum: think china has also been flooding the west with free goods, take chainsaws, can buy 52cc chainsaw on eBay delivered in your door anywhere in australia for the usual $83
the saw has been made, shipped to aust, marketed by wholesaler then retailer and posted, country is flooded with them myself living in the bush have 52cc, 56cc and a 72cc saws, they ok, not $2000 + husqvarna or stil but ok, can get parts for them etc

Tis the best way to stuff capitalism


I suppose when they corner the market the prices go up. Why are'nt there tarrifs on these goods????
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Nov 18, 2013 3:22 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
because they are unlawful. Regans New World Order 1984, though i know lots of products in Europe have tariff/subsidies on good and services under international law is unlawful
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Nov 18, 2013 3:25 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Well surely individual countries could get them under customs and excise???
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Nov 18, 2013 3:30 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
lonalone
lonalonelonalonelondon, Greater London, England UK6 Posts
known all over the world as CHINESE JUNK flooding everywhere
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Nov 18, 2013 3:34 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
When a chinese want to buy a quality product, they buy imported ones.

But I've read that the wealthy chinese aren't at a good moment now.
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Nov 18, 2013 4:18 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
ah was a lie great big lie i have treated many cows for milk fever and know exactly what the symptoms of milk fever and grass staggers look like, do you?
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Nov 18, 2013 4:23 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Glitch101
Glitch101Glitch101London, Greater London, England UK21 Threads 1,079 Posts
robplum: ah was a lie great big lie i have treated many cows for milk fever and know exactly what the symptoms of milk fever and grass staggers look like, do you?



No. While I agree that it was possibly blown out of proportion, it was done for safety measures whether you believe it or not.

Many farmers went to the wall over this crisis,and no amount of compensation would ever cover the loss of dairy farms that had been in families for generations.

It was also about people too.sad flower
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Nov 18, 2013 4:30 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Glitch101: No. While I agree that it was possibly blown out of proportion, it was done for safety measures whether you believe it or not.

Many farmers went to the wall over this crisis,and no amount of compensation would ever cover the loss of dairy farms that had been in families for generations.

It was also about people too.



The repercussions were world wide and reached panic proportions, I remember stepping off an aircraft in Cyprus and having to walk through some sort of disinfecting agent.

Remarks about British mad cows were fife in the bar that nightgrin grin grin grin grin
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Nov 18, 2013 4:37 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Glitch101
Glitch101Glitch101London, Greater London, England UK21 Threads 1,079 Posts
tomcatwarne: The repercussions were world wide and reached panic proportions, I remember stepping off an aircraft in Cyprus and having to walk through some sort of disinfecting agent.

Remarks about British mad cows were fife in the bar that night


Morning Tom,

Sorry it went off track,but there is a marked rise in Alzheimer's disease and dementia ,especially with young people in the States.

No smoke without fire,and IF there is a link I would want to know about it,not cover it up.

Feeding cows meat,which has been done , is abnormal,they are carnivores.
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Nov 18, 2013 4:38 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Glitch101
Glitch101Glitch101London, Greater London, England UK21 Threads 1,079 Posts
Glitch101: Morning Tom,

Sorry it went off track,but there is a marked rise in Alzheimer's disease and dementia ,especially with young people in the States.

No smoke without fire,and IF there is a link I would want to know about it,not cover it up.

Feeding cows meat,which has been done , is abnormal,they are carnivores.


Oops meant to say NOT carnivores.blushing
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Nov 18, 2013 4:40 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Glitch101: Morning Tom,

Sorry it went off track,but there is a marked rise in Alzheimer's disease and dementia ,especially with young people in the States.

No smoke without fire,and IF there is a link I would want to know about it,not cover it up.




How do they tellgrin grin grin grin grin
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Nov 18, 2013 4:49 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Glitch101
Glitch101Glitch101London, Greater London, England UK21 Threads 1,079 Posts
tomcatwarne: How do they tell



Taken from an article in The Guardian.

"Lead researcher Claudio Soto, said: 'The bad proteins accumulate in the brain, forming plaque deposits that are believed to kill neuron cells in Alzheimer's

He added: 'Our findings open the possibility that some of the sporadic Alzheimer's cases may arise from an infectious process, which occurs with other neurological diseases such as mad cow and its human form, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease ."
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Nov 18, 2013 7:50 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
there is an interesting saying used in america - "you get what you pay for"


Often there is a difference between inexpensive and cheap goods and services.

and sometimes just because it is high priced does not mean it is the best
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Nov 18, 2013 7:58 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
I think thats what they call covering all bases. The goods referred to in the OP, weren't just cheap they were faulty. In most countries inexpensive
Goods still have to work.
goods still have t work
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Nov 18, 2013 1:39 PM CST China produces faulty goods.
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
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As Kim said:

You get what you paid for.

The Japanese used to produce faulty items as well but they improved and that will happen with the Chinese.

Ni hao
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Nov 18, 2013 1:53 PM CST China produces faulty goods.
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Think about what it would cost to pay someone to make all that stuff.

There's a guy who runs a spot at a local Flea Market who carries items made in China and authentic.

Guess what sells best ,items from China cause the guy told me that some people will only purchase what's made in China.Obviously the aunthentic are way too costly.
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