China produces faulty goods. ( Archived) (57)

Nov 19, 2013 7:57 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
MADDOG69: What project? I worked for the Irish branch, back in the day of that particular company.

Sure they do. As did Japan, Korea, Taiwan etc in the 60's and 70's. From the 80/90s onwards theystarted to innovate. Sony, Toshiba, Mitsubishi etc. That's the copy/paste stage. My old man remembers trade shows 30+ years ago, where the Chinese guys would always come and photograph every nut and bolt.

China is innovating now though. You just don't hear about it.

I have an open mind on most subjects, but you don't give a shred of evidence, I have given documentation for my side of the discussion, where's yours??o
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Nov 19, 2013 8:10 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
tomcatwarne: They send you 100.000 faulty ones and sell 50.000 good ones, hmm sneaky.
a little lead,never killed anyone fast/yikes.usa,lets it go,makers here would be fined n sued.
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Nov 19, 2013 8:12 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne: I have an open mind on most subjects, but you don't give a shred of evidence, I have given documentation for my side of the discussion, where's yours??o

Most of it is self evident to me I guess, So I'll make an effort.

Worlds most powerful:


Only the second country to have done it, with it's own technology:


Worlds 1st and only Missile of it's class (ASBM):


Chinese Mag-Lev Wind Turbine:


Stealth Striker (granted with Russian made engines):
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Nov 19, 2013 8:28 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Yes but all this on the back of technology money gained from selling faulty goods to the ordinary Westerener.

I don't wish to get into a discussion on the Chinese economy, we all know about that.

The question I was addressing is in the OP, I suggest you read it before going off like a catherine wheel.
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Nov 19, 2013 8:36 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne: Yes but all this on the back of technology money gained from selling faulty goods to the ordinary Westerener.

I don't wish to get into a discussion on the Chinese economy, we all know about that.

The question I was addressing is in the OP, I suggest you read it before going off like a catherine wheel.

I said Chinese companies are now innovating. And I proved it.

As for your OP: "
Everyone [manufacturing in China] accepts 10% is going to be bad stock,” said Andrew. “At the Chinese factory [when you give them the production spec] they view it as guidelines rather than a contractual obligation.”"

Ridiculous. The crowd that I worked for there was no room for ANY bad stock, not when each piece took a month to be shipped and costs tens of thousands. Your OP basically is a candle in the wind. Maybe Andrew sells things closer to the £1 corner shop.
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Nov 19, 2013 8:42 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
MADDOG69: I said Chinese companies are now innovating. And I proved it.

As for your OP: "
“Everyone [manufacturing in China] accepts 10% is going to be bad stock,” said Andrew. “At the Chinese factory [when you give them the production spec] they view it as guidelines rather than a contractual obligation.”"

Ridiculous. The crowd that I worked for there was no room for ANY bad stock, not when each piece took a month to be shipped and costs tens of thousands. Your OP basically is a candle in the wind. Maybe Andrew sells things closer to the £1 corner shop.



May be just a candle in the wind to you, but he is a human being with a wife and young children, they nearly broke him with their greed.

I have personal experience of their slovenly attitude and trying to wriggle out of there responsibility.

Still we can see where your allegiances lie, so there is no point in discussing this further
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Nov 19, 2013 8:55 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne: May be just a candle in the wind to you, but he is a human being with a wife and young children, they nearly broke him with their greed.
How many kids? Where are they mentioned?

tomcatwarne:
Still we can see where your allegiances lie, so there is no point in discussing this further

Yeah... I put across the clear picture. You're getting tetchy now 'cos I've blown holes in your argument as big as the moon.

tomcatwarne:
I have personal experience of their slovenly attitude and trying to wriggle out of there responsibility.
So you got shafted. Hard luck. Business is tough. No excuse for bias still, though.

Fact is, while Andrew and his mystery wife and his mystery kids bring their operations back to the UK after he allowed himself to be shafted, 1,000s of operations for one reason or the other have moved there. India. Taiwan. Etc. The Chinese are even outsourcing some of their stuff to Vietnam. And their operations are happy. Andrew contracted out and couldn't handle it. Contracting out operations are a big challenge to companies and individuals. Companies and individuals either can handle it or not. It requires excellent communication and control. Ask any tradesman what happens when he gets big and starts hiring new guys and subs out his work to another tradesman. It either ruins them or makes them. The better ones make it, with a helping of luck.
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Nov 19, 2013 8:57 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
I agree with you chasing, but in a lot of cases the retailer is the manufacturer, though not in the case of my friend. :most of Europe has retail legislation now, this does not always help the unwary importer.
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Nov 19, 2013 9:02 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
You're the one getting grumpy judging from your replies to the Scandinavian poster.
Get dumped or somethinggrin
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Nov 19, 2013 9:04 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
MADDOG69: You'll have to read the whole thread.

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Nov 19, 2013 9:06 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
I trust he told you of it's magnificencegrin grin grin grin
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Nov 19, 2013 9:14 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
tomcatwarne: I trust he told you of it's magnificence

No.. I asked him... on behalf of the ladies if you read the thread. But he got scared and ran off after admitting he was a rent boy. LOL laugh
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Nov 19, 2013 9:40 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
MADDOG69: I was raised by old people.. and they told me as it was... in the 60's/70's it was 'Cheap Japanese/Korean copies'. It's the same rhetoric as today... 'Cheap Chinese copies'. The former have outlived the narrative and are now innovators. Global leaders in some fields. The latter is moving out of the copy/paste phase and are doing their own innovation. It's the same pattern. However.... the scale this time, is enormous. The Cheap Korean/Japanese copies sat next to German, British, American etc analogues. So the mantra was earned. But this time around.... there are damn all German, British, American analogues on the shelves. Just the labels are.


Me too, I was raised mostly by the war generation. And yes, it's nothing new to hit intensifying global competition, the first world war lead to a lot of outsourcing which created the global overproduction that ultimately caused The Great Depression.

The difference now, I feel, is the sheer extent to which they can outcompete us. The sheer gulf between their capacity to produce and our capacity to produce. We're in a position today of The Great Depression times 5. The reason we don't feel it is partly because of technology making things more efficient, but mostly because the complexity and scale of the markets has allowed people to offset the consequences of their actions for decades into the future(debt) allowing a perverse generation to live from a free lunch.

Not only do the young of the today face the battle against the elderley - the struggle to shove baby boomers and their attitudes fanatically and ruthlessly into the grave. But also we're being asked to be more productive and creative than perhaps any western generation that came before.
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Nov 19, 2013 10:03 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
ChasingCars
ChasingCarsChasingCarsCrappy Thrappy, Northamptonshire, England UK26 Threads 5 Polls 1,006 Posts
MADDOG69: I was raised by old people.. and they told me as it was... in the 60's/70's it was 'Cheap Japanese/Korean copies'. It's the same rhetoric as today... 'Cheap Chinese copies'. The former have outlived the narrative and are now innovators. Global leaders in some fields. The latter is moving out of the copy/paste phase and are doing their own innovation. It's the same pattern. However.... the scale this time, is enormous. The Cheap Korean/Japanese copies sat next to German, British, American etc analogues. So the mantra was earned. But this time around.... there are damn all German, British, American analogues on the shelves. Just the labels are.


Not quite. British industry was (and there are parallels elsewhere) stuck up its own whatsit - with poor management and dire labour relations.

Triumph motorbikes, for example introduced a pinstripe to the saddle one year - the Japanese introduced electric starts, overhead cams, disk brakes etc. Britain lacked innovation and QC. Yes we invented a whole lot of things, but didn't actually see fit to put them in/on products.

Meanwhile British Leyland was disjointed and competing with itself and producing too many models in too many variants in 'badge engineering' and when it produced something good - it was usually engineers working in their own time that did it and under-funded and under-developed.

Japan took quality from the (mainly) US gurus and turned it into a method of production and culture. Japan invested in its industry - high capital to labour ratios: we didn't. Thatcher drove the nail home into the coffin by deciding The City was more important than industry.
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Nov 19, 2013 10:17 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Pom_Pom
Pom_PomPom_PomBuenos Aires, Argentina71 Threads 32 Polls 1,740 Posts
This reminds me of:

mijas36: Cool,will the beer be genuine or fake like everything else from China? If I sit on the chair will it collapse?


laugh
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Nov 19, 2013 10:27 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
ChasingCars: Not quite. British industry was (and there are parallels elsewhere) stuck up its own whatsit - with poor management and dire labour relations.

Thatcher drove the nail home into the coffin by deciding The City was more important than industry.


Absolutely. Relative to the west, Britain has done badly in terms of being materially resourceful. But the West, relative to the rest, have also done this.

It is a case of which ship is sinking the fastest. However, if anyone can sustain a fraudulent money economy then it is the British. I expect that even after all of the west becomes more productive there will still be a strong financial sector in Britain. This will result from our culture, heritage and international prestige that we have with the other races allowing us to continue as a hub of global trade. The British have near the same kudos of Americans except the world doesn't hate us in the same way it hates them.
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Nov 19, 2013 10:28 AM CST China produces faulty goods.
Pom_Pom: This reminds me of:
Ah... I miss mijas36. crying
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