"Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight (26)

Nov 25, 2013 5:48 PM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
Did anyone watch the 1st part of a 2 part series on Sinn Fein this evening? As usual Adams denied ever been in the IRA, it seems to me that while Adams remains SF leader they will remain toxic amongst large sections of the Irish electorate (especially Middle class voters)

Mary Lou McDonald said that she would be interested in becoming SF leader in the long term but not in the short term.

What did people think of tonight's programme on Sinn Fein?
Nov 26, 2013 6:00 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
thepooka
thepookathepookaNenagh, Tipperary Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 20 Posts
As usual it was the same old tried and tested hatchet job on Sinn Fein..So what if Adams keeps denying he was an I.R.A. member..Look at his record in the peace process..The prog wheeled out the usual suspects to condemn him..I laughed when up popped Sean Garland to have a go at Adams.The cheek of him..He and his comrades in the Stickies done more to try and destablise this country than the Provo's...He was whole heartly assisted by his then comrades Gilmore , Rabbitt, and De Rossa..The truth is , and this is what the like's of you cannot stomach , Sinn Fein are on the rise and will soon be a major power in this country and they have a huge support in the Middle Classes..!!! So get used to it coz the days of cozy politic's are soon coming to an end..!!
Nov 26, 2013 6:05 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
thepooka: As usual it was the same old tried and tested hatchet job on Sinn Fein..So what if Adams keeps denying he was an I.R.A. member..Look at his record in the peace process..The prog wheeled out the usual suspects to condemn him..I laughed when up popped Sean Garland to have a go at Adams.The cheek of him..He and his comrades in the Stickies done more to try and destablise this country than the Provo's...He was whole heartly assisted by his then comrades Gilmore , Rabbitt, and De Rossa..The truth is , and this is what the like's of you cannot stomach , Sinn Fein are on the rise and will soon be a major power in this country and they have a huge support in the Middle Classes..!!! So get used to it coz the days of cozy politic's are soon coming to an end..!!


Sinn Fein will never be big down south..their base is in Northern Ireland..they are small fish down here..they haven't enough seats to make any real difference..all they will ever be down here is a thorn in the side of the governmentireland
Nov 26, 2013 6:10 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
thepooka: As usual it was the same old tried and tested hatchet job on Sinn Fein..So what if Adams keeps denying he was an I.R.A. member..Look at his record in the peace process..The prog wheeled out the usual suspects to condemn him..I laughed when up popped Sean Garland to have a go at Adams.The cheek of him..He and his comrades in the Stickies done more to try and destablise this country than the Provo's...He was whole heartly assisted by his then comrades Gilmore , Rabbitt, and De Rossa..The truth is , and this is what the like's of you cannot stomach , Sinn Fein are on the rise and will soon be a major power in this country and they have a huge support in the Middle Classes..!!! So get used to it coz the days of cozy politic's are soon coming to an end..!!
That's the truth. Gilmore and Dedededede de Rossa were a bunch of young firebrand revolutionaries. That Gilmore surely was in the OIRA in his youth. And look at him now? laugh
Nov 26, 2013 6:13 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
thepooka
thepookathepookaNenagh, Tipperary Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 20 Posts
Obvisously you haven't looked at the poll's...At 20 to 25% they can become the 2nd largest party in the country..If they had suitable canditates to run in every constituancy they would really shake up the cozy political scene here..They are far from being small fish down here..They are major player's in every Town council , County Council throughout the country..So if they are small fish why then are F.F and Labour always having a go at them all the time , it's because they are afraid of their rise to the detriment of their own parties..!
Nov 26, 2013 6:14 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
thepooka
thepookathepookaNenagh, Tipperary Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 20 Posts
Obvisously you haven't looked at the poll's...At 20 to 25% they can become the 2nd largest party in the country..If they had suitable canditates to run in every constituancy they would really shake up the cozy political scene here..They are far from being small fish down here..They are major player's in every Town council , County Council throughout the country..So if they are small fish why then are F.F and Labour always having a go at them all the time , it's because they are afraid of their rise to the detriment of their own parties..!
Nov 26, 2013 7:30 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
thepooka: Obvisously you haven't looked at the poll's...At 20 to 25% they can become the 2nd largest party in the country..If they had suitable canditates to run in every constituancy they would really shake up the cozy political scene here..They are far from being small fish down here..They are major player's in every Town council , County Council throughout the country..So if they are small fish why then are F.F and Labour always having a go at them all the time , it's because they are afraid of their rise to the detriment of their own parties..!

They don't have suitable candidates. And until they change their paradigm a LOT they won't. It took what was to become FF, ten years to be sanitized enough to be elected in 32.

The thing is, that the councillors don't have to carry through with the ideologues at the top of Sinn Fein. As long as they get stuff done for the people, they'll do. At local level, Sinn Fein's ideology does not matter. But on a State wide scenario it's a different ball game. And their views are NOT popular with the greater populace of Middle Ireland.
Nov 26, 2013 8:10 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
thepooka: Obvisously you haven't looked at the poll's...At 20 to 25% they can become the 2nd largest party in the country..If they had suitable canditates to run in every constituancy they would really shake up the cozy political scene here..They are far from being small fish down here..They are major player's in every Town council , County Council throughout the country..So if they are small fish why then are F.F and Labour always having a go at them all the time , it's because they are afraid of their rise to the detriment of their own parties..!


SF won't get 20% in a general election especially if Adams is still SF leader, anyway a REDC opinion poll last weekend had SF at 15% with a very unpopular government and FF at 22% that is a very disappointing result.

SF's populist policies may go down well in many Council estates amongst the unemployed and some of the working poor but in Middle Ireland SF are still toxic especially amongst middle aged and older voters who can remember most of the troubles or in the case of pensioners, the troubles in their entireity.

Of course there are exceptions as regards SF getting middle class support eg Donegal, Louth, Cavan-monaghan etc but amongst most Middle Class voters SF's economic policies lack credibility and plus the Middle Classes for the most part absolutely despise Adams, McGuinness and the likes of Ferris.

Finally who are most likely to vote in Ireland It's middle class voters and older voters. That will prevent SF from getting anywhere near 20% in an election. Lets also not forget the hiding SF will get in the Media in an election campaign eg look at McGuinness's 2011 presidential election Campaign where he started at 20% in the polls byt fell to 13.7% by election day.
Nov 26, 2013 9:45 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
thepooka: As usual it was the same old tried and tested hatchet job on Sinn Fein..So what if Adams keeps denying he was an I.R.A. member..Look at his record in the peace process..The prog wheeled out the usual suspects to condemn him..I laughed when up popped Sean Garland to have a go at Adams.The cheek of him..He and his comrades in the Stickies done more to try and destablise this country than the Provo's...He was whole heartly assisted by his then comrades Gilmore , Rabbitt, and De Rossa..The truth is , and this is what the like's of you cannot stomach , Sinn Fein are on the rise and will soon be a major power in this country and they have a huge support in the Middle Classes..!!! So get used to it coz the days of cozy politic's are soon coming to an end..!!


I wouldn't have the time or day for those former Communists Rabbitte, Gilmore and De Rossa who shamefully supported barbaric Communist dictatorships in the 70's and 80's, your right that there should be a good few investigative programmes done on the Stickies activities in the 70's and 80's. The Official IRA murdered 52 people during the troubles, the Provo scum murdered nearly 1,700 people and as long as the likes of Adams, McGuinness, Ferris etc are still at the top of the SF leadership that it will limit their support in the South.

Perhaps under a younger leadership who have no links to the troubles SF would gain significant support in the South by appealing to Middle class voters eg Mary Lou McDonald who comes from a middle class Background.
Nov 26, 2013 3:43 PM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
BBC 1 o6c regional..

Tonight at 10.35 on Spotlight they are asking..

Gerry Adams has led Sinn Fein to political triumph. In the wake of recent controversies, Jennifer O'Leary assesses whether Adams is still a help or if he has become a hindrance to the party's pursuit of power.
Nov 27, 2013 10:42 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
Liam Adams today was jailed for 16 years for raping his daughter Aine over 1 6 year period from 1977-83.

Here's a link dertailing the Cross examination of Gerry Adams from Liam Adam's Lawyer Eilis McDermott during the trial.

Nov 27, 2013 12:54 PM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
coywen: yes adams knew his brother was raping his daughter.Didnt jerry Adams admit his father was a molester himself. Well i tell you if one of my brothers did that to his daughter i would show him no mercy full stop

... yeah... and yet this happens all around the place. Where the family members just stay out of it.
Nov 27, 2013 12:59 PM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
coywen: yes adams knew his brother was raping his daughter.Didnt jerry Adams admit his father was a molester himself. Well i tell you if one of my brothers did that to his daughter i would show him no mercy full stop


Gerry is clinging to party politics to simply save his butt. Somethings are actually bigger than politics.

Adams knew from day 1 his nieice was being abused by her brother. Liam Adams instead of recieving a bullet in the head or at least a knee capping, ended up with little more than a flesh wound because of vile crime & breach of trust. Gerry had that much control he talked the whole episode down and as I say Liam ended up with a simple flesh wound.

The big problem for SF today is when Gerry finally leaves the stage the next president will be from the 26c's. That in real terms means there could very well be a split within SF. And if independant republicans (snowy lumps them together and calls them dissidents) play their cards right, they (SF) run a risk of losing votes in the o6c..
Nov 27, 2013 1:07 PM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
coywen
coywencoywenmiltown malbay, Clare Ireland4 Threads 4 Polls 160 Posts
MADDOG69: ... yeah... and yet this happens all around the place. Where the family members just stay out of it.
well it would not happen in our family i can guarantee you that, its just boils my blood when i hear of children been abused. As i told my sister a few years ago thank god i have no children cause i knew if any one left their hands on them that would be the end of them.
Nov 27, 2013 1:20 PM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
coywen: yes adams knew his brother was raping his daughter.Didnt jerry Adams admit his father was a molester himself. Well i tell you if one of my brothers did that to his daughter i would show him no mercy full stop


If it was a FG or FF politician they would have been hounded out of their Ministerial position if such allegations had publicly arisen, Gerry Adams is treated with kid gloves by the Irish media and the Political establishment North and South.

Well Ellis McDermott certainly destroyed him in the witness box during his brother's trial and any attempts at waffle were swotted away by McDermott.

The man should resign as SF leader he costs SF at least 5% in a General election in the Republic.

It's unlikely to happen as SF is almost like a religious cult where the rank and file members swear staunch lyalty to their Dear Leader at all cocts.
Nov 27, 2013 1:24 PM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
kennyfromdublin: The man should resign as SF leader he costs SF at least 5% in a General election in the Republic.

It's unlikely to happen as SF is almost like a religious cult where the rank and file members swear staunch loyalty to their Dear Leader at all costs.


So true Kenny.
Nov 27, 2013 1:47 PM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
coywen
coywencoywenmiltown malbay, Clare Ireland4 Threads 4 Polls 160 Posts
kennyfromdublin: If it was a FG or FF politician they would have been hounded out of their Ministerial position if such allegations had publicly arisen, Gerry Adams is treated with kid gloves by the Irish media and the Political establishment North and South.

Well Ellis McDermott certainly destroyed him in the witness box during his brother's trial and any attempts at waffle were swotted away by McDermott.

The man should resign as SF leader he costs SF at least 5% in a General election in the Republic.

It's unlikely to happen as SF is almost like a religious cult where the rank and file members swear staunch lyalty to their Dear Leader at all cocts.
thumbs up god when u heard he knew that was the end for me i read that again i am just so mad have to godevil very mad very mad
Dec 1, 2013 10:39 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
Phoenix: I said something similar to a former UVF volunteer last night about Kincora...Guess what, he ignored my comment..

Kincora is still being covered up because it goes right to the top of the House of Windsor..



Any evidence that it goes to the top of the House of Windsor?.......
Dec 1, 2013 10:46 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
snowlynx: Any evidence that it goes to the top of the House of Windsor?.......


Do your own research snowy. Whats the point of putting up a link for you to start to understand anything. By your own admission you don't click my links...So it would be a wasted exercise on my half.
Dec 1, 2013 10:54 AM CST "Sinn Fein-Who are they" TV3 Tonight
Phoenix: Do your own research snowy. Whats the point of putting up a link for you to start to understand anything. By your own admission you don't click my links...So it would be a wasted exercise on my half.



A simple yes or no would have sufficed!
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