Alcoholism (141)
misbhavnNoneyabiz, Florida USA30 Threads 4 Polls 439 PostsIs it really a disease or is it an excuse for irresponsible behavior?
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misbhavn: Is it really a disease or is it an excuse for irresponsible behavior?
An addiction to a powerful drug.
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pedalguy59: An addiction to a powerful drug.
So you don`t believe it`s either?
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misbhavn: So you don`t believe it`s either?
Some people may consider an addiction an illness, in England they do, but in Finland it is not regarded as an illness although you can get help to stop drinking, overtly it is considered self inflicted injury.
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misbhavn: So you don`t believe it`s either?
A disease is not man made(although you can create one), and behaviour
can be the result of an addiction, but not an excuse.
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misbhavn: So you don`t believe it`s either?
It is Both, But Third, It is a choice!
How much, how little, how Often, But God, made water into wine.....
Not Whine!
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HotrodLarrys: It is Both, But Third, It is a choice!
How much, how little, how Often, But God, made water into wine.....
Not Whine!
How much, how little, how Often, But God, made water into wine.....
Not Whine!
The definition of an Alcoholic is someone who drinks, who you don't like.
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misbhavn: Is it really a disease or is it an excuse for irresponsible behavior?
The 2 most important indicators of an alchoholic, they always go for spirits at the end of the night and theres ALWAYS an argument at the end of their binge, a very under studied disease or in other words taboo.------ This thread is Archived ------
tomcatwarne: The definition of an Alcoholic is someone who drinks, who you don't like.
......hic/hic...slurp/burp/wha...the f******/hic...gulp.....roll/......whas...yull mean.....hic/belch.....hic......
.......ewe taking about....errrrrrrrrrr...... cough.....fart/hic.
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truheart1941: ......hic/hic...slurp/burp/wha...the f******/hic...gulp.....roll/......whas...yull mean.....hic/belch.....hic...... .......ewe taking about....errrrrrrrrrr...... cough.....fart/hic.
Your obviously just a social drinker tru
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truheart1941: ......hic/hic...slurp/burp/wha...the f******/hic...gulp.....roll/......whas...yull mean.....hic/belch.....hic...... .......ewe taking about....errrrrrrrrrr...... cough.....fart/hic.
excuse you..pass me a drink..burp..fart/hic..
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misbhavn: Is it really a disease or is it an excuse for irresponsible behavior?
Not really sure about being a disease. The problem with classifying it as a disease is that people then use that line of thinking to absolve someone's own personal responsibility. That said. ... there is genes partly responsible for alcoholism and other self destructive behaviour and it does and can run in families.
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MADDOG69: Not really sure about being a disease. The problem with classifying it as a disease is that people then use that line of thinking to absolve someone's own personal responsibility. That said. ... there is genes partly responsible for alcoholism and other self destructive behaviour and it does and can run in families.
It also helps if it is classified as a disease as in the UK, apparently certaid sickness benefits are available to some one diagnosed as having alcohol addiction as there are with heroin and other addictions.
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misbhavn: Is it really a disease or is it an excuse for irresponsible behavior?
Why do you think alcohol misuse might be one thing, or another for all people who misuse alcohol?
Although there might be models, like the disease model, used for 'treatment' purposes, it doesn't mean all people who misuse alcohol and want to stop find that one particular model relevant, or useful.
From observation, I'd say for some people substance misuse is a way of controlling their psychological, or physiological environment. For example, alcohol may be used to numb pain (say, a grieving widow 'drowning their sorrows'), or excessive caffeine, or cocaine use may control symptoms of ADHD for some people.
In turn, the physiological, or psychological 'addictive' qualities of the substance being misused may control the person using the substance.
Why would other people then want to control the misusing person further by deciding whether it's a disease, an excuse for irresponsible behaviour, or indeed that it's self-medicating?
I suspect it's something to do with the impact other people's substance misuse has had on them. The behaviour of someone misusing substances often has a negative impact on those around them. If we have had our control taken away from us by a person who is misusing, we maybe want to get that control back by understanding what really went on.
If someone is to 'get over' misusing substances, their understanding and method of 'getting over' it must come from within. They will have their own individual story.
Likewise, someone affected by another person's misuse can only find 'true' understanding of themselves: they can only really explore their own story and make their own life changes.
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shell1964: excuse you..pass me a drink..burp..fart/hic..
.......WHA*........hic/slurp....thuk.......off...gulp.....dink ewe own.....opppppps r u pithed...... ------ This thread is Archived ------
alcohol is an addiction..I have freinds who shake in the mornings if they dont open that beer..its just like any addiction you need it to feel better.
it then turns into a disease as your liver starts to fail and you eventually die..it is a choice we are all responsible for are own actions..
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jac379: Why do you think alcohol misuse might be one thing, or another for all people who misuse alcohol?
Although there might be models, like the disease model, used for 'treatment' purposes, it doesn't mean all people who misuse alcohol and want to stop find that one particular model relevant, or useful.
From observation, I'd say for some people substance misuse is a way of controlling their psychological, or physiological environment. For example, alcohol may be used to numb pain (say, a grieving widow 'drowning their sorrows'), or excessive caffeine, or cocaine use may control symptoms of ADHD for some people.
In turn, the physiological, or psychological 'addictive' qualities of the substance being misused may control the person using the substance.
Why would other people then want to control the misusing person further by deciding whether it's a disease, an excuse for irresponsible behaviour, or indeed that it's self-medicating?
I suspect it's something to do with the impact other people's substance misuse has had on them. The behaviour of someone misusing substances often has a negative impact on those around them. If we have had our control taken away from us by a person who is misusing, we maybe want to get that control back by understanding what really went on.
If someone is to 'get over' misusing substances, their understanding and method of 'getting over' it must come from within. They will have their own individual story.
Likewise, someone affected by another person's misuse can only find 'true' understanding of themselves: they can only really explore their own story and make their own life changes.
Although there might be models, like the disease model, used for 'treatment' purposes, it doesn't mean all people who misuse alcohol and want to stop find that one particular model relevant, or useful.
From observation, I'd say for some people substance misuse is a way of controlling their psychological, or physiological environment. For example, alcohol may be used to numb pain (say, a grieving widow 'drowning their sorrows'), or excessive caffeine, or cocaine use may control symptoms of ADHD for some people.
In turn, the physiological, or psychological 'addictive' qualities of the substance being misused may control the person using the substance.
Why would other people then want to control the misusing person further by deciding whether it's a disease, an excuse for irresponsible behaviour, or indeed that it's self-medicating?
I suspect it's something to do with the impact other people's substance misuse has had on them. The behaviour of someone misusing substances often has a negative impact on those around them. If we have had our control taken away from us by a person who is misusing, we maybe want to get that control back by understanding what really went on.
If someone is to 'get over' misusing substances, their understanding and method of 'getting over' it must come from within. They will have their own individual story.
Likewise, someone affected by another person's misuse can only find 'true' understanding of themselves: they can only really explore their own story and make their own life changes.
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truheart1941: .......WHA*........hic/slurp....thuk.......off...gulp.....dink ewe own.....opppppps r u pithed......
there..there tru this make you feel better 
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Yes it`s a disease.
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Scott1812: Yes it`s a disease.
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