Political Correctness (94)
Kendall42: Is it unreasonable to treat each person as an individual, and to not feel the need to say or do something we know is negative?
Of course not.
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Kendall42: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
I don`t know, maybe cause we see the difference
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Pc really means personnal choice, it does to the Uk leadership. It's ok for them to say derogatory remarks about the unemployed but not about thier chums the bankers.
But our Government move the goal posts to suit thier pocket. One minute thumping fists on the desk about certain Countries poor civil rights then fly's into China and asks for a trade deal
But our Government move the goal posts to suit thier pocket. One minute thumping fists on the desk about certain Countries poor civil rights then fly's into China and asks for a trade deal
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In response to: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ?
Thoughts people?
Thoughts people?
It is not OK... to say derogatory things.. about a group of people who are different ...
but appraising everyone individually is OK...
Its OK to have a fear of being politically incorrect.. because that is what prevents people from being abusive towards another for no good reason.. well, that is sorta the reason it started..
but , I agree with Tomcats post... It's all gone way too far..
and these days its easier to evade people.. and avoid situations..
which doesn't really solve much...
but it keeps us alienated... which is also OK.. because from our personal learned behaviour, education status, etc.. it gives us time to come to terms with how much we each want to contribute to ourselves.. in our own good time... in opening up our minds to accept differences..
However... conversing here...on this Inters forum... gives a measure of insight from posts, stories, and the political threads and comments..for all of us..
These are (JMO) small ways to start a beginning of knowing each other... and these small steps may lead to a widening experience of losing fear of unknown..
But, When you bunch a whole heap of people together who share very dissimilar ideas, around how one should or not live, behave, eat, all aspects of religion and politics and all those things that make us culturally different.. .. there will/should be lots of personal comparisons... until within a person, the middle ground is reached...
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Kendall42: Have you ever observed a group of children together. Children from different cultures. When they are curious about something they ask each other. They don't do it in a mocking or negative manner, and they learn from each other. As adults I would think we all have enough intelligence and vocabulary to learn about other cultures without injecting a certain superiority. I that is what is at the heart of being Politically Correct. To be able to talk and discuss about a group or person different from yourself without an air of "I am better".
People say Political correctness has gone overboard. It hasn't. What seems to be happening is that now we are expecting people to THINK, use the huge vocabulary that is out there. And in the age of internet do research.
I honestly can't say what it is like outside the US but from my experience here, the folks that complain about being PC going to far, are just upset that they can't get away with making fun of others or speaking of others in a derogatory manner just based on their group and not individual actions, in short making themselves feel better.
People say Political correctness has gone overboard. It hasn't. What seems to be happening is that now we are expecting people to THINK, use the huge vocabulary that is out there. And in the age of internet do research.
I honestly can't say what it is like outside the US but from my experience here, the folks that complain about being PC going to far, are just upset that they can't get away with making fun of others or speaking of others in a derogatory manner just based on their group and not individual actions, in short making themselves feel better.
Hi Kendall
Children don't seem to pay attention too much re cultures and colours... they interact well ... in a controlled environment..
They play well together... but do you think they would accept huge changes..
I don't think so...
They have already... at a very early age.. worked out how to behave according to their level of education.. and home education..
If anyone tried to force a change... it would be rebuked..
But in this country... we have the most in the world of different cultures.. so we learn to live within what we have.. and happily, we all pretty well get along..
We don't go worrying too much about stuff.. because worrying doesn't achieve much.. However, we don't have a very large population either..
so, if you put together a smallish population of 260 different cultures.. well.. makes sense that we all get on OK.. and take each person as they come.. I think that is the key...
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Kendall42: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
PC is a hangover from a time when free speech and critical thinking were suppressed under the banner of tolerance, when citizens were gagged in case they let slip a sliver of earnest crimethink. But the for the most part the young do not think nor speak freely, so the gag becomes less and less necessary. PC is redundant, it has achieved its primary ambition of creating an unblinking mass. And the crimethinkers and realtalkers will circumvent PC by simply being offensive towards everything.
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In response to: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ? So just putting this out there. Thoughts people?
in America it is a free country to say anything you want - there are just consequences to everything you say.
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Kendall42: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
What I see is a separation on species, gender, income, skin color, tittles, you name it….. but if we go back to the way our parents used to educate us and they did teach as respect, then we see that respect is missing in many aspects on the home, town, national or global bases.
I would see wrong even talking derogatively of your own group of people but perhaps delimiting the “group “ is the faulty way to see people.
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Why do I get the feeling that this topic relates to something which occurred within another thread the other day.
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lifeisadream: An excerpt from:
The Problem With Political Correctness Posted: 02/25/2013 10:38 am
Thankyou for illustrating the correct view of political correctness, The last comment was my own, but I suppose you have no knowledge of informed university debate, judging by your previous posts you pretend to be knowledgeable from a country which is governed by drug barons and is very unhelpful to it's poor citizens.The Problem With Political Correctness Posted: 02/25/2013 10:38 am
I guess you are in the top ten percent of earners in the country.
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It is never just disagreement but always intellectual dishonesty that is the apologist's worst enemy. And its apprentice is ignorance.
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Kendall42: Have you ever observed a group of children together. Children from different cultures. When they are curious about something they ask each other. They don't do it in a mocking or negative manner, and they learn from each other. As adults I would think we all have enough intelligence and vocabulary to learn about other cultures without injecting a certain superiority. I that is what is at the heart of being Politically Correct. To be able to talk and discuss about a group or person different from yourself without an air of "I am better".
People say Political correctness has gone overboard. It hasn't. What seems to be happening is that now we are expecting people to THINK, use the huge vocabulary that is out there. And in the age of internet do research.
I honestly can't say what it is like outside the US but from my experience here, the folks that complain about being PC going to far, are just upset that they can't get away with making fun of others or speaking of others in a derogatory manner just based on their group and not individual actions, in short making themselves feel better.
haha are you kidding , 4 year olds maybe , kids can be the most vicious little beasts known to mankind over the slightest differences .People say Political correctness has gone overboard. It hasn't. What seems to be happening is that now we are expecting people to THINK, use the huge vocabulary that is out there. And in the age of internet do research.
I honestly can't say what it is like outside the US but from my experience here, the folks that complain about being PC going to far, are just upset that they can't get away with making fun of others or speaking of others in a derogatory manner just based on their group and not individual actions, in short making themselves feel better.
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tomcatwarne: Thankyou for illustrating the correct view of political correctness, The last comment was my own, but I suppose you have no knowledge of informed university debate, judging by your previous posts you pretend to be knowledgeable from a country which is governed by drug barons and is very unhelpful to it's poor citizens.
I guess you are in the top ten percent of earners in the country.
I guess you are in the top ten percent of earners in the country.
The point is that you did place an excerpt of someone’s else work -without quoting it- and that is unethical. We could forget some times to quote properly, yes it could happen but at least there are the “ “ to indicate quoting.
Good try but you have to do better than that.
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An exerp of someone elses work ??? much of it was mine before.
don't you think you would be better looking at the problem of illegal immigrants to the US, and your country flooding the world with illegal drugs. I suppose it's ok for you but you think you should put the rest of the world right.
don't you think you would be better looking at the problem of illegal immigrants to the US, and your country flooding the world with illegal drugs. I suppose it's ok for you but you think you should put the rest of the world right.
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tomcatwarne: An exerp of someone elses work ??? much of it was mine before...
Are you saying that BJ Gallagher -Sociologist, bestselling author, and popular speaker- has stolen your work?
I would sue them the author and the Huffingtonpost!
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lifeisadream: Are you saying that BJ Gallagher -Sociologist, bestselling author, and popular speaker- has stolen your work?
I would sue them the author and the Huffingtonpost!
I would sue them the author and the Huffingtonpost!
I am saying you come on CS as an expert in the drug cartels of Mexico, I don't know what the US thinks of infiltration of their territory by criminals who use the social media to try to legitimize their work.
I would suspect that like the UK they prefer to deal with legitimate bodies.
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Kendall42: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
Certainly there are assumptions that should never be made, and names that should never be called. I believe the current complaining is more about having to walk around on eggshells because there are many people who are just way, way too ultra-sensitive. We are not a gagged society. And, one person's meaning may be severely misinterpreted to be something it is not at all. I once asked a co-worker about his country/culture, origin, etc...Another co-worker had a fit over it, citing that he saw it as intrusive, inappropriate. (The guy in question, however, did not see anything wrong, evil, or rude in my conversation). Why should we have to adjust our comfort levels just because somebody else MIGHT be offended by something we didn't even mean or imply--except in their narrow little fearful, negative and paranoid mind? Granted, it's not right to be prejudiced, but the whole thing has gone way, way, way too far. People don't have to be gagged.It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
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rohaan: Certainly there are assumptions that should never be made, and names that should never be called. I believe the current complaining is more about having to walk around on eggshells because there are many people who are just way, way too ultra-sensitive. We are not a gagged society. And, one person's meaning may be severely misinterpreted to be something it is not at all. I once asked a co-worker about his country/culture, origin, etc...Another co-worker had a fit over it, citing that he saw it as intrusive, inappropriate. (The guy in question, however, did not see anything wrong, evil, or rude in my conversation). Why should we have to adjust our comfort levels just because somebody else MIGHT be offended by something we didn't even mean or imply--except in their narrow little fearful, negative and paranoid mind? Granted, it's not right to be prejudiced, but the whole thing has gone way, way, way too far. People don't have to be gagged.
I agree with this
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rohaan: Certainly there are assumptions that should never be made, and names that should never be called. I believe the current complaining is more about having to walk around on eggshells because there are many people who are just way, way too ultra-sensitive. We are not a gagged society. And, one person's meaning may be severely misinterpreted to be something it is not at all. I once asked a co-worker about his country/culture, origin, etc...Another co-worker had a fit over it, citing that he saw it as intrusive, inappropriate. (The guy in question, however, did not see anything wrong, evil, or rude in my conversation). Why should we have to adjust our comfort levels just because somebody else MIGHT be offended by something we didn't even mean or imply--except in their narrow little fearful, negative and paranoid mind? Granted, it's not right to be prejudiced, but the whole thing has gone way, way, way too far. People don't have to be gagged.
Rohaan,I've witnessed what you describe happening all the time and not just within the workplace.
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It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?