F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics! (24)

Feb 7, 2014 6:02 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Bogart_1960online today!
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A senior US State Department official has allegedly been caught giving an unexpected message to the EU while discussing Ukrainian opposition leaders’ roles in the country’s future government. The phone call was taped and posted on YouTube.



"F**k the EU," Assistant Secretary of State for Europe Victoria Nuland allegedly said in a recent phone call with US ambassador to Kiev Geoffrey Pyatt, as the two were discussing a deal to end the crisis in Ukraine.

The US State Department did not deny the authenticity of the video and stressed that Nuland had apologized for the "reported comments." the conversation is mainly focused on Ukraine’s government and President Viktor Yanukovich's offer last month to make opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk the new prime minister and Vitaly Klitschko deputy prime minister.

I don’t think that Klitschko should go into the government. I don’t think it is necessary. I don’t think it is a good idea,” a female voice - allegedly Nuland - said.

“In terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework,” a male voice - believed to be Pyatt - replied. “In terms of the process moving ahead, we want to keep the moderate democrats together,” he said.

As Nuland sees it, Ukrainian opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk should be in charge of the new government and Klitschko would not get along with him. “It’s just not going to work,” she said.

Nuland added that she has also been told that UN chief Ban Ki-moon is about to appoint the former Dutch ambassador to Kiev, Robert Serry, as his representative to Ukraine.

"That would be great I think to help glue this thing and have the UN glue it and you know, f**k the EU," she said in apparent reference to their differences over policies.

"We've got to do something to make it stick together, because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it," Pyatt replied.

In the conversation, it sounds like the two officials are playing a game of chess; strategizing on how to put together the government of another country, RT’s Marina Portnaya said while commenting on the report.

The leaked chat fuels earlier allegations that Washington is heavily meddling in the Ukrainian political crisis by manipulating the pro-EU opposition and helping it in its efforts to oust President Viktor Yanukovich.

Back in December, Victoria Nuland was spotted in the cradle of the anti-government protests - Kiev’s landmark Independence Square - distributing cookies to demonstrators. Later in the month, Senator John McCain arrived in Kiev to show his support for the opposition. Addressing protesters on Independence Square, he stated that Ukraine's future was with Europe, adding that the country would “make Europe better.”



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Feb 7, 2014 6:13 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
fleurdelis16
fleurdelis16fleurdelis16Bratislava, Slovakia466 Posts
Yeah, just discussing the Nuland Hen in the office.
I do not think she will be welcomed in Europe next couple of months.
Assistant Secretary of State for Europe should change position, e.g. Assistant Secretary of State for Focking Affairs grin
Feb 7, 2014 6:14 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Leo_7
Leo_7Leo_7Baku, Azerbaijan119 Threads 17 Polls 4,286 Posts
is that a real face of US diplomats?
Feb 7, 2014 6:15 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
fleurdelis16
fleurdelis16fleurdelis16Bratislava, Slovakia466 Posts
Leo_7: is that a real face of US diplomats?

No, just a real face of an arrogant clerk.
Feb 7, 2014 6:17 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Leo_7
Leo_7Leo_7Baku, Azerbaijan119 Threads 17 Polls 4,286 Posts
fleurdelis16: No, just a real face of an arrogant clerk.
arent most of them the same?
Feb 7, 2014 6:18 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Bogart_1960online today!
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fleurdelis16: Yeah, just discussing the Nuland Hen in the office.
I do not think she will be welcomed in Europe next couple of months.
Assistant Secretary of State for Europe should change position, e.g. Assistant Secretary of State for Focking Affairs


you should email Obama. I am sure he will crete that new department. grin
Feb 7, 2014 6:19 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Bogart_1960online today!
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Leo_7: is that a real face of US diplomats?


nah, she said "I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone". so everything is normal again !laugh

cheers
Feb 7, 2014 6:20 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
fleurdelis16
fleurdelis16fleurdelis16Bratislava, Slovakia466 Posts
Leo_7: arent most of them the same?

The same expression for Gov Clerk and Arrogant?
Sure grin
Feb 7, 2014 6:21 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
fleurdelis16
fleurdelis16fleurdelis16Bratislava, Slovakia466 Posts
Bogart_1960: nah, she said "I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone". so everything is normal again !


HAHAHA I love IF in her sentence
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Feb 7, 2014 7:02 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
yep,Senator McCain!
He's dripping with Credibility!laugh
Feb 7, 2014 7:09 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
fleurdelis16
fleurdelis16fleurdelis16Bratislava, Slovakia466 Posts
Conrad73: yep,Senator McCain!
He's dripping with Credibility!


What about NEVER-USE-CAR on Fort Free Lane, avoid Goerge Washington Bridge, because Christ Christie lets you die in traffic jam ???devil
Feb 7, 2014 7:18 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
lovemedofr
lovemedofrlovemedofrbeautiful place, Aquitaine France2 Threads 1,726 Posts
Conrad73: yep,Senator McCain!
He's dripping with Credibility!


it's all good !!!!!!!! rolling on the floor laughing grin

Feb 7, 2014 7:24 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 6,786 Posts
I know just how she feels.
Feb 7, 2014 7:46 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK377 Threads 8 Polls 24,763 Posts
Leo_7: arent most of them the same?



The Russians are trying to spin things to their advantage and no low trick is beneath them.

The Americans are the same.

Npr reports,
The latest wrinkle in Ukraine's crisis doesn't involve the government and the protesters there.

Instead, it has to do with the diplomats trying to resolve the crisis.

A leaked phone conversation between Victoria Nuland, the top U.S. diplomat for Europe, and Geoff Pyatt, the U.S. envoy to Kiev, appears to show them discussing the merits of Ukraine's various opposition figures. In it, Nuland can also be heard using a distinctly undiplomatic phrase while describing the European Union.

Talking about the EU's position in Ukraine, Nuland says, "F- - - the EU."

The U.S. and the EU have both been involved in trying to settle the political turmoil in Ukraine, but haven't been seeing eye-to-eye.

Nuland also appears to favor opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who she says "is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience." As for Vitali Klitschko, the boxer and opposition leader, Nuland says he's inexperienced.

"I don't think Klitschko should go into the government," she says. "I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a good idea."


Although a lot of people in the Eurpean Union would also say f*ck the EU

A coalition government would no be such a disaster. Other counties mangage with coalitions.
Feb 7, 2014 9:19 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
She's right about Klitchko. He's just a boxer hard man. A good one, but the political sharks will wipe the floor with him.
Feb 7, 2014 9:44 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
fleurdelis16: No, just a real face of an arrogant clerk.
welcome to our world of double dealin usa officials/who know best.
Feb 7, 2014 10:52 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Bogart_1960online today!
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Conrad73: yep,Senator McCain!
He's dripping with Credibility!


Victoria (yes, we are close now, as we f***ked), served as the "principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President d*ck Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO...now lets talk conspiracy theory !!laugh
Feb 7, 2014 10:54 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Bogart_1960online today!
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Obstinance_Works: I know just how she feels.


tired !!laugh about 500 million .... !
Feb 7, 2014 11:01 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Bogart_1960: Victoria (yes, we are close now, as we f***ked), served as the "principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President d*ck Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO...now lets talk conspiracy theory !!
kissinger is one to watch/old guard.
Feb 7, 2014 11:03 AM CST F**k the EU,"- The Real Politics!
Bogart_1960online today!
Bogart_1960online today!Bogart_1960Portugal and Mandelieu, Provence-Alpes-Cote dAzur France43 Threads 1 Polls 7,412 Posts
tomcatwarne: The Russians are trying to spin things to their advantage and no low trick is beneath them.

The Americans are the same.


Npr reports,
The latest wrinkle in Ukraine's crisis doesn't involve the government and the protesters there.

Instead, it has to do with the diplomats trying to resolve the crisis.

A leaked phone conversation between Victoria Nuland, the top U.S. diplomat for Europe, and Geoff Pyatt, the U.S. envoy to Kiev, appears to show them discussing the merits of Ukraine's various opposition figures. In it, Nuland can also be heard using a distinctly undiplomatic phrase while describing the European Union.

Talking about the EU's position in Ukraine, Nuland says, "F- - - the EU."

The U.S. and the EU have both been involved in trying to settle the political turmoil in Ukraine, but haven't been seeing eye-to-eye.

Nuland also appears to favor opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who she says "is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience." As for Vitali Klitschko, the boxer and opposition leader, Nuland says he's inexperienced.

"I don't think Klitschko should go into the government," she says. "I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a good idea."Although a lot of people in the Eurpean Union would also say f*ck the EU

A coalition government would no be such a disaster. Other counties mangage with coalitions.


hum, its only shows that we are just puppets in this "real world". the dangerous part, is that the extremists might take advantage of this statement, showing that there is no need to vote - that elections, or any form of democracy is "controlled" by the superpowers. thats is what I see "dangerous" of her statement.

regarding her statement, I would expect the Obama Gov to fire her for saying 'F---" the EU. as an American diplomat she knew that the Russians would be listen. not only she was arrogant, but showed a total lack of respect for "europe" institutions.
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