Who should pay for healthcare (36)
NotABlonde: Of course that should also apply to all the Aussies living and working abroad then who haven't been naturalised in whatever country they've chosen to live in?
Im sure a smart person from Australia would organize health insurance before leaving for a holiday or a working visa...just sayin.
AgentAjax: Im sure a smart person from Australia would organize health insurance before leaving for a holiday or a working visa...just sayin.
You assume all australians abroad are smart?
Your post mentioned anyone who hadn't been naturalised, not anyone who hadn't taken out medical insurance....just sayin.
wash2u: My GP is an Addiction Specilialist. No, I don't live in a druggy area, just his forte. We have discussed "smoking" and I commented "I think it is harder to give up than heroin as heroin does seem to have many Govt subsidised and recognised treatments while smoking is cold turkey." He agreed on this.
When you look at the Govt getting 60-80% of the cost in revenue, does anyone really believe that the Govt wants people to stop addicts from smoking or drinking?
When you look at the Govt getting 60-80% of the cost in revenue, does anyone really believe that the Govt wants people to stop addicts from smoking or drinking?
Of course not...Hi ah Wash..
If we all gave up smoking and drinking for a year... the govt would totally lose the plot..
and would search for sneaky ways to devise more taxes elsewhere..
AgentAjax: good point!! There are probably more people committing suicide from gambling than dyeing from smoking. .. I know of 3 people over the last 10 years taking their life because of gambling. Give people all the access to the poison and then on the expense of everyone offer them a cure.
One point not brought up if you get addicted to booze nicotine gambling drugs etc. You may well have a tendency to get addicted to things like drugs booze etc .
So take one thing away and the person may well replace it with something else that's addictive !!
And as AA has said the end result for some poor people is to take their own lives !!
And you also must realise if someone is addicted to booze you can not make them stop . Only the addicted person can make themselves stop when they hit rock bottom !!
Merriweather: Of course not...Hi ah Wash..
If we all gave up smoking and drinking for a year... the govt would totally lose the plot..
and would search for sneaky ways to devise more taxes elsewhere..
If we all gave up smoking and drinking for a year... the govt would totally lose the plot..
and would search for sneaky ways to devise more taxes elsewhere..
Merri, Merri, Merri. How you "hillbillies" seem to have not seen that. They are now taxing "the air that we breathe" with the Carbon Tax.
The Govt is imposing soo many restrictions on our primary producers and allowing enough cheap food imports where we are getting to the stage that they will have to stop a lot of primary production. SPC are in dire straights and Edgell/Birdseye are trying very hard to keep operating.
Australia is one of the least subsidised primary production countries in the 'developed' countries. We rank about #40 with something like 4% subsidies, a lot less than Europe and USA with the highest being 40%. In Europe, they subsidise farmers so they have national production instead of imports AND less unemployed. In the USA, they pay (but not counted as a subsidy) a lot of farmers NOT TO PRODUCE some crops.
mickyj63: Interesting some of the new government want to charge us $6 a visit to the GP!!
Which while I can afford that it adds up when you go to get a form to have a blood test . Then go back to get results or you need scripts etc !!
And it was only last year or the year before that many large surgeries here in Adelaide were charging $50 just to see a GP. And no that wasn't refundable from medicare !! When the sick voted with their feet the fees were dropped !!
Seeing I don't smoke or drink slug them double or triple also up the prices of junk food like Macas
Wonder what would happen then !!
Which while I can afford that it adds up when you go to get a form to have a blood test . Then go back to get results or you need scripts etc !!
And it was only last year or the year before that many large surgeries here in Adelaide were charging $50 just to see a GP. And no that wasn't refundable from medicare !! When the sick voted with their feet the fees were dropped !!
Seeing I don't smoke or drink slug them double or triple also up the prices of junk food like Macas
Wonder what would happen then !!
I have paid my 1.5% of my income towards the "free" Medicare yet have had to pay for medical treatment because I have worked. And I do pay for private medical & hospital cover as well and since the introduction of the "free" Medicare, it has cosy me more.
Before Medicare, the Health Funds repaid 85% of the costs, now if it is 50% you are doing well. And yes, pensioners and dole bludgers got free treament then.
If someone has to pay $6 to visit a doctor, great. What other service can you get for $6 for 15 minutes with a professional of that ilk. Even a mechanic will cost you more than $20 for 15 minutes work.
wash2u: I have paid my 1.5% of my income towards the "free" Medicare yet have had to pay for medical treatment because I have worked. And I do pay for private medical & hospital cover as well and since the introduction of the "free" Medicare, it has cosy me more.
Before Medicare, the Health Funds repaid 85% of the costs, now if it is 50% you are doing well. And yes, pensioners and dole bludgers got free treament then.
If someone has to pay $6 to visit a doctor, great. What other service can you get for $6 for 15 minutes with a professional of that ilk. Even a mechanic will cost you more than $20 for 15 minutes work.
Before Medicare, the Health Funds repaid 85% of the costs, now if it is 50% you are doing well. And yes, pensioners and dole bludgers got free treament then.
If someone has to pay $6 to visit a doctor, great. What other service can you get for $6 for 15 minutes with a professional of that ilk. Even a mechanic will cost you more than $20 for 15 minutes work.
My worry is that the fee from $25 to $50 that is not covered by medicare will come back !! And its not covered by private health insurance either !!
And you must get quick GP visits they are around 20 or 30 minutes!!
But there are two classes of private health insurance wash . I can afford extras not hospital . I looked into it at 50 yes late I used to have it but when I got married I couldn't afford it!
Bupa insurance lost an extras customer in myself due to the person behind the desks attitude !! Or should I say persons they would continually deride me for just having extras !! Then they took 4 weeks to give my information to medibank !!
So my point with having to pay a fee
1 go in Monday to get a form for a blood test costs between $6 to $50
2 go in the following Monday for results another fee from $6 to $50
3 your sent home sick from work Tuesday need a cert another fee
Do I need to go on
mickyj63: My worry is that the fee from $25 to $50 that is not covered by medicare will come back !! And its not covered by private health insurance either !!
And you must get quick GP visits they are around 20 or 30 minutes!!
But there are two classes of private health insurance wash . I can afford extras not hospital . I looked into it at 50 yes late I used to have it but when I got married I couldn't afford it!
Bupa insurance lost an extras customer in myself due to the person behind the desks attitude !! Or should I say persons they would continually deride me for just having extras !! Then they took 4 weeks to give my information to medibank !!
So my point with having to pay a fee
1 go in Monday to get a form for a blood test costs between $6 to $50
2 go in the following Monday for results another fee from $6 to $50
3 your sent home sick from work Tuesday need a cert another fee
Do I need to go on
And you must get quick GP visits they are around 20 or 30 minutes!!
But there are two classes of private health insurance wash . I can afford extras not hospital . I looked into it at 50 yes late I used to have it but when I got married I couldn't afford it!
Bupa insurance lost an extras customer in myself due to the person behind the desks attitude !! Or should I say persons they would continually deride me for just having extras !! Then they took 4 weeks to give my information to medibank !!
So my point with having to pay a fee
1 go in Monday to get a form for a blood test costs between $6 to $50
2 go in the following Monday for results another fee from $6 to $50
3 your sent home sick from work Tuesday need a cert another fee
Do I need to go on
Ummmmmmmm,
1 I go in for intitial consult and pay the full price less a very minor rebate from Medicare. And no further payment available out of the high cost of my Private Insurance.
2 I go back for treatment fully covered by Medicare.
3 I go back for results and fully covered by Medicare.
I am still trying to work out if the $12 - 100 fee for the infrequent visits to the doctors is worth the $150/month I pay to get the private cover I need.
I had a tumor way back in 1998. At the time, I had no private cover. And going through a divorce where I was lucky even to afford a hair cut. Copped a lot about the ponytail.
I had the choice between having an experienced surgeon operating or someone in the hospital system who was "under supervision."
If you had the choice between paying out of your own pocket NOW or waiting until there was some maybe opporuntiy some time in the future for some wanna-be to perform the operation, what choice would you take?
wash2u: Ummmmmmmm,
1 I go in for intitial consult and pay the full price less a very minor rebate from Medicare. And no further payment available out of the high cost of my Private Insurance.
2 I go back for treatment fully covered by Medicare.
3 I go back for results and fully covered by Medicare.
I am still trying to work out if the $12 - 100 fee for the infrequent visits to the doctors is worth the $150/month I pay to get the private cover I need.
I had a tumor way back in 1998. At the time, I had no private cover. And going through a divorce where I was lucky even to afford a hair cut. Copped a lot about the ponytail.
I had the choice between having an experienced surgeon operating or someone in the hospital system who was "under supervision."
If you had the choice between paying out of your own pocket NOW or waiting until there was some maybe opporuntiy some time in the future for some wanna-be to perform the operation, what choice would you take?
1 I go in for intitial consult and pay the full price less a very minor rebate from Medicare. And no further payment available out of the high cost of my Private Insurance.
2 I go back for treatment fully covered by Medicare.
3 I go back for results and fully covered by Medicare.
I am still trying to work out if the $12 - 100 fee for the infrequent visits to the doctors is worth the $150/month I pay to get the private cover I need.
I had a tumor way back in 1998. At the time, I had no private cover. And going through a divorce where I was lucky even to afford a hair cut. Copped a lot about the ponytail.
I had the choice between having an experienced surgeon operating or someone in the hospital system who was "under supervision."
If you had the choice between paying out of your own pocket NOW or waiting until there was some maybe opporuntiy some time in the future for some wanna-be to perform the operation, what choice would you take?
Put it this way I was sent to a private cardiologist due to my GP saying he couldn't send me to a public hospital
My BP was out of control and I should have been in hospital !!
The cardiologist ran tests cost me 1500 bucks yes I got back about 800 or so .
He imformed me I had tumors near my kidneys which were fine . I'd been back to my GP who'd seen the test results and said get the cardiologist to send you to an endocrinologist . Nope he wouldn't so I was sent to a general physician who denied I had tumors . He ran the exact same tests and some others cost me over 2 grand got back just over a grand . Result no tumours and no idea why my BP went high no idea why I'm bright red general physician said I wasn't red and I keep getting a rash on my lower legs no answers
All cost me money I needed yes I didn't have anything wrong public hospital would have found out in one place for nothing !!
Surgeries
Ive had 3 knee clean outs all performed at one public hospital no major worries . Except two really hurt . Two performed by a qualified mongrel Scottish surgeon who pissed me off no end third by a surgeon trained by him !!
All cost me zero dollars longest wait was under a liberal govt funny that
And a major private sporting med institute here in Adelaide has the worst reputation for knee ops . And people having really bad complications
And my Dad had his knee replaced two years ago privately they didn't give him his Parkinson's meds . We found him wandering the halls twice when he was supposed to be unable to walk
and confused So would u go private
mickyj63: One point not brought up if you get addicted to booze nicotine gambling drugs etc. You may well have a tendency to get addicted to things like drugs booze etc .
So take one thing away and the person may well replace it with something else that's addictive !!
And as AA has said the end result for some poor people is to take their own lives !!
And you also must realise if someone is addicted to booze you can not make them stop . Only the addicted person can make themselves stop when they hit rock bottom !!
So take one thing away and the person may well replace it with something else that's addictive !!
And as AA has said the end result for some poor people is to take their own lives !!
And you also must realise if someone is addicted to booze you can not make them stop . Only the addicted person can make themselves stop when they hit rock bottom !!
That is so true Micky. A good friend of mine, her husband was an alcoholic, (diagnosed) and in the end on a 'disability' pension (he died before the age of 60). He did lay off the drink sporadically but ..... when he wasn't drinking he would go to the pub, drink squash and play the pokies!
And as we all know you can do a helluva lot of dough in half an hour - a lot more than you could spend on booze, not that I am condoning it, but as you say, he just swapped one addiction for another?
Newlife08: That is so true Micky. A good friend of mine, her husband was an alcoholic, (diagnosed) and in the end on a 'disability' pension (he died before the age of 60). He did lay off the drink sporadically but ..... when he wasn't drinking he would go to the pub, drink squash and play the pokies!
And as we all know you can do a helluva lot of dough in half an hour - a lot more than you could spend on booze, not that I am condoning it, but as you say, he just swapped one addiction for another?
And as we all know you can do a helluva lot of dough in half an hour - a lot more than you could spend on booze, not that I am condoning it, but as you say, he just swapped one addiction for another?
so true newie
mickyj63: Put it this way I was sent to a private cardiologist due to my GP saying he couldn't send me to a public hospital
My BP was out of control and I should have been in hospital !!
The cardiologist ran tests cost me 1500 bucks yes I got back about 800 or so .
He imformed me I had tumors near my kidneys which were fine . I'd been back to my GP who'd seen the test results and said get the cardiologist to send you to an endocrinologist . Nope he wouldn't so I was sent to a general physician who denied I had tumors . He ran the exact same tests and some others cost me over 2 grand got back just over a grand . Result no tumours and no idea why my BP went high no idea why I'm bright red general physician said I wasn't red and I keep getting a rash on my lower legs no answers
All cost me money I needed yes I didn't have anything wrong public hospital would have found out in one place for nothing !!
Surgeries
Ive had 3 knee clean outs all performed at one public hospital no major worries . Except two really hurt . Two performed by a qualified mongrel Scottish surgeon who pissed me off no end third by a surgeon trained by him !!
All cost me zero dollars longest wait was under a liberal govt funny that
And a major private sporting med institute here in Adelaide has the worst reputation for knee ops . And people having really bad complications And my Dad had his knee replaced two years ago privately they didn't give him his Parkinson's meds . We found him wandering the halls twice when he was supposed to be unable to walk and confused
So would u go private
My BP was out of control and I should have been in hospital !!
The cardiologist ran tests cost me 1500 bucks yes I got back about 800 or so .
He imformed me I had tumors near my kidneys which were fine . I'd been back to my GP who'd seen the test results and said get the cardiologist to send you to an endocrinologist . Nope he wouldn't so I was sent to a general physician who denied I had tumors . He ran the exact same tests and some others cost me over 2 grand got back just over a grand . Result no tumours and no idea why my BP went high no idea why I'm bright red general physician said I wasn't red and I keep getting a rash on my lower legs no answers
All cost me money I needed yes I didn't have anything wrong public hospital would have found out in one place for nothing !!
Surgeries
Ive had 3 knee clean outs all performed at one public hospital no major worries . Except two really hurt . Two performed by a qualified mongrel Scottish surgeon who pissed me off no end third by a surgeon trained by him !!
All cost me zero dollars longest wait was under a liberal govt funny that
And a major private sporting med institute here in Adelaide has the worst reputation for knee ops . And people having really bad complications And my Dad had his knee replaced two years ago privately they didn't give him his Parkinson's meds . We found him wandering the halls twice when he was supposed to be unable to walk and confused
So would u go private
I have a problem with mechanics and doctors. They both tell me "I think something is wrong. We need to do some work on that."
Then it is "No, that was not the problem. Let's try something else."
Simple fact is that too many people are sponging off the system. I have 3 very different vehicles at this time. Only 1 has none of this electronic gear where you do not have to replace a whole system to see if that was the problem.
I was up in Gundagai last year with my oldest one when I had problems. The mechanics I went to could only replace some part of the electronics to see if that made a difference. Pre-electonic vehicles had him stuffed. Unfortunately, the "old" mechanic diagnosed it as being a fuel problem. The only other choice was electrical...which was the final answer.
After many hours of going through & cleaning the fuel system, I did find out it was the electrics needing some work after clearing the fuel issues. Very much the opposite 2 years previously.
Doctors and mechanics do not always get it right first time (2nd, 3rd or 4th) around.
But I am not willing to go to a doctor who has the qualifications of patching up the Taliban telling me not to be a sook because he has seen worse.
for people with chronic illnesses even a small cost like $6 can end up being prohibitive
Imagine, need a dressing done after surgery, or a ulcer that needs dressing each day... $6 each visit
Need blood tests, $6 for the visit to get the referral, and, $6 to get the results
I know that some are overusing the system, to see the addicts etc lining up at my docs surgery to get their scripts for methadone etc really irks at times, especially if you listen to them bemoaning how hard they have it coz they can only get so much per script...
I know people now who can not afford medical treatment/s, let alone if there are more cost put on visiting docs
Imagine, need a dressing done after surgery, or a ulcer that needs dressing each day... $6 each visit
Need blood tests, $6 for the visit to get the referral, and, $6 to get the results
I know that some are overusing the system, to see the addicts etc lining up at my docs surgery to get their scripts for methadone etc really irks at times, especially if you listen to them bemoaning how hard they have it coz they can only get so much per script...
I know people now who can not afford medical treatment/s, let alone if there are more cost put on visiting docs
jem1964: for people with chronic illnesses even a small cost like $6 can end up being prohibitive
Imagine, need a dressing done after surgery, or a ulcer that needs dressing each day... $6 each visit
Need blood tests, $6 for the visit to get the referral, and, $6 to get the results
I know that some are overusing the system, to see the addicts etc lining up at my docs surgery to get their scripts for methadone etc really irks at times, especially if you listen to them bemoaning how hard they have it coz they can only get so much per script...
I know people now who can not afford medical treatment/s, let alone if there are more cost put on visiting docs
Imagine, need a dressing done after surgery, or a ulcer that needs dressing each day... $6 each visit
Need blood tests, $6 for the visit to get the referral, and, $6 to get the results
I know that some are overusing the system, to see the addicts etc lining up at my docs surgery to get their scripts for methadone etc really irks at times, especially if you listen to them bemoaning how hard they have it coz they can only get so much per script...
I know people now who can not afford medical treatment/s, let alone if there are more cost put on visiting docs
Glad you can see what I can see
mickyj63: Glad you can see what I can see
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Smoking is bad for your health, we all know that now, but as my in laws told me, she went to the doctor as a young women and wanted to loose weight, the doctor told her to take up smoking! Also, I believe they used to send smokes to the forces in combat zones in the second World War?? So I think it is unfair to expect people to stop now in that age bracket.
And yes, isn't it easier to get addicted to than heroin, and as hard to give up?? As far as that goes everyone is different, I know people who have said, 'When I have finished that packet - that is it" and after 30 odd years they did it.
Then there are the people who have tried everything, nicotine patches, cold turkey, hypnosis and it still doesn't work for them?
And the Govt is addicted to the revenue it gets from cigarettes so it is a Catch 22 situation? If most people stopped smoking, they would have a huge hole in revenue to fill somehow?
A real bloody conundrum
My GP is an Addiction Specilialist. No, I don't live in a druggy area, just his forte. We have discussed "smoking" and I commented "I think it is harder to give up than heroin as heroin does seem to have many Govt subsidised and recognised treatments while smoking is cold turkey." He agreed on this.
When you look at the Govt getting 60-80% of the cost in revenue, does anyone really believe that the Govt wants people to stop addicts from smoking or drinking?