Hospitals in the U.K. reported to heat hospitals by burning fetuses! (59)
Obstinance_Works: Are you not even willing to question why it's set to cost so much? Are you so blinded by the positive feels that come from "affordable" universal healthcare to see how much you're being conned? Have you any capacity for logic, reason or objective analysis?... Shouldn't have given you the vote.
Anyone with an interest above the level of moral posturing can see that Obamacare is a terrible and unsustainable way of going about a good idea. Surely the end result of Obamacare will be cutting front-line services to pay for the sheer volume of bureaucracy.
Anyone with an interest above the level of moral posturing can see that Obamacare is a terrible and unsustainable way of going about a good idea. Surely the end result of Obamacare will be cutting front-line services to pay for the sheer volume of bureaucracy.
The same reason and attitude why you're set to blunder into ACA is the same as to why you blundered into the money economy and the 2008 crash.
God damn the debt mongering moral posturing baby-booming gravy train. You will sacrifice everything that's great and good in civilisation for a 5-minute feelgood factor. Literally THE worst generation ever, but I digress...
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Obstinance_Works: The same reason and attitude why you're set to blunder into ACA is the same as to why you blundered into the money economy and the 2008 crash.
God damn the debt mongering moral posturing baby-booming gravy train. You will sacrifice everything that's great and good in civilisation for a 5-minute feelgood factor. Literally THE worst generation ever, but I digress...
God damn the debt mongering moral posturing baby-booming gravy train. You will sacrifice everything that's great and good in civilisation for a 5-minute feelgood factor. Literally THE worst generation ever, but I digress...
You're out of Order,Sunshine!
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Conrad73: You're out of Order,Sunshine!
gee, leave NWO out of this..
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Bogart_1960: gee, leave NWO out of this..
It's a Conspiracy I tell's ya,a Conspiracy!
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Obstinance_Works: Are you not even willing to question why it's set to cost so much? Are you so blinded by the positive feels that come from "affordable" universal healthcare to see how much you're being conned? Have you any capacity for logic, reason or objective analysis?... Shouldn't have given you the vote.
Anyone with an interest above the level of moral posturing can see that Obamacare is a terrible and unsustainable way of going about a good idea. Surely the end result of Obamacare will be cutting front-line services to pay for the sheer volume of bureaucracy.
Anyone with an interest above the level of moral posturing can see that Obamacare is a terrible and unsustainable way of going about a good idea. Surely the end result of Obamacare will be cutting front-line services to pay for the sheer volume of bureaucracy.
Yep, Another radical hysterical female voter here, I'm so glad I was taught to respect my fellow man.
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CasualCarol: I think we have the best health care facilities of any nation,
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Jeez MD you sure got the giggles today.
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Ccincy: You can support Obama all you wish to.For me I'm stated on many political threads that I don't support any political figure.
You say it's a free country so to speak but think about it all are we really that free?
You say it's a free country so to speak but think about it all are we really that free?
so true Ccincy! It is in theory with a right to choose - and the big however is that we face consequences for those choices. and like the news report in this thread it really does depend on how things are said or spun to get folks dander up.
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rizlared: This is your opinion, there are many who would be far more horrified at a priest giving a blessing than the actual disposing of the remains.
Maybe you can come up with a solution on how to safely dispose of human remains, but I doubt it would be any different in reality.
I believe a fetus is a person... Human remains: I have no problem with a hospital doing whatever they want with an amputated arm or leg or organs that serve no purposes.Maybe you can come up with a solution on how to safely dispose of human remains, but I doubt it would be any different in reality.
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rizlared: This is your opinion, there are many who would be far more horrified at a priest giving a blessing than the actual disposing of the remains.
Maybe you can come up with a solution on how to safely dispose of human remains, but I doubt it would be any different in reality.
I would like to think that attempting some-sort of a memorial service, wouldn't be horrifying.Maybe you can come up with a solution on how to safely dispose of human remains, but I doubt it would be any different in reality.
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JeanKimberley: so true Ccincy! It is in theory with a right to choose - and the big however is that we face consequences for those choices.
and like the news report in this thread it really does depend on how things are said or spun to get folks dander up.
and like the news report in this thread it really does depend on how things are said or spun to get folks dander up.
Hi JK,True and the media have a good way of spinning.
Some people really take these kinds of stories seriously.They only go by what the reports claim.
I was able to prove that one of our local news stations here in Ohio neglected to report the exact truth on a news article regarding one of our State Parks.I did some investigating of my own by phone and spoke to a park ranger who a reporter had actually spoken with and interviewed and the office who oversees this particular State Park.
As I posted before Amanda Holden is an actress and a presenter.
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According to Amanda Holden:
Holden said she hopes the documentary will lead to a change in how parents who suffer from miscarriages are treated: "I was well looked after and cannot thank them enough for the care, compassion and help they gave me during such a traumatic time, but the parents I met while making this documentary told me that the fantastic care I received was not experienced by them. I was shocked at some off the discoveries I made. The problem seemed to be they were not treated with the compassion and dignity that you need most at such a traumatic time.
"There needs to be a clear, national policy. Guidelines should be clearer and properly enforced. The potential for compounding the grief suffered by all the mothers was easily preventable. What happened to me was horrendous but I have moved forward and have managed to draw a line under the subject."
The British government has now imposed an immediate ban on the incineration of miscarried and aborted babies
“This practice is totally unacceptable,” U.K. Health Minister Dan Poulter (who worked in hospital obstetrics and gynecology before he became a politician.) said in a statement, according to The Telegraph. “While the vast majority of hospitals are acting in the appropriate way, that must be the case for all hospitals and the Human Tissue Authority (regulatory body) has now been asked to ensure that it acts on this issue without delay.”
“I have asked Professor Sir Bruce Keogh … to write to all NHS hospital trusts, to make it clear that it must stop now,” Poulter said. “The chief medical officer has also written to the Human Tissue Authority to ask them to make sure that there is clear guidance on this issue.”
The reporting of this practice is exposing to the world a tragedy and abhorrent behavior, by a country that is supposed to be developed. What a shame. It appears to many that it seems civilization has taken a back seat in the U.K.; wallowing in degradation. I hope the USA is not headed down the same sick road. I look forward to the USA’s non- Affordable Care Act being repealed, sooner than later.
Holden said she hopes the documentary will lead to a change in how parents who suffer from miscarriages are treated: "I was well looked after and cannot thank them enough for the care, compassion and help they gave me during such a traumatic time, but the parents I met while making this documentary told me that the fantastic care I received was not experienced by them. I was shocked at some off the discoveries I made. The problem seemed to be they were not treated with the compassion and dignity that you need most at such a traumatic time.
"There needs to be a clear, national policy. Guidelines should be clearer and properly enforced. The potential for compounding the grief suffered by all the mothers was easily preventable. What happened to me was horrendous but I have moved forward and have managed to draw a line under the subject."
The British government has now imposed an immediate ban on the incineration of miscarried and aborted babies
“This practice is totally unacceptable,” U.K. Health Minister Dan Poulter (who worked in hospital obstetrics and gynecology before he became a politician.) said in a statement, according to The Telegraph. “While the vast majority of hospitals are acting in the appropriate way, that must be the case for all hospitals and the Human Tissue Authority (regulatory body) has now been asked to ensure that it acts on this issue without delay.”
“I have asked Professor Sir Bruce Keogh … to write to all NHS hospital trusts, to make it clear that it must stop now,” Poulter said. “The chief medical officer has also written to the Human Tissue Authority to ask them to make sure that there is clear guidance on this issue.”
The reporting of this practice is exposing to the world a tragedy and abhorrent behavior, by a country that is supposed to be developed. What a shame. It appears to many that it seems civilization has taken a back seat in the U.K.; wallowing in degradation. I hope the USA is not headed down the same sick road. I look forward to the USA’s non- Affordable Care Act being repealed, sooner than later.
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CasualCarol: What a crock of ****
Incineration is the safest way to dispose of most medical waste. What else should they do with unsafe or contaminated blood products and other human waste? I am not saying that I consider fetuses as waste, but this story is just ridiculous.
Like other's have said, this is not a means for hospitals to either save energy or produce energy, but rather a means to end.
Incineration is the safest way to dispose of most medical waste. What else should they do with unsafe or contaminated blood products and other human waste? I am not saying that I consider fetuses as waste, but this story is just ridiculous.
Like other's have said, this is not a means for hospitals to either save energy or produce energy, but rather a means to end.
Actually your post clarifies the issue very well. Society has degenerated to the point where it considers dead babies to be hazardous bio-waste, not a tragic loss of human life.
Personally I find it inconceivable that they throw dead babies into the burn trash.
It's not a question of practicality or economy, it's a question of moral values.
But of course once the babies are dead the manner of their disposal is pretty much just a technicality.
I think the days of Soylent Green are not too far away. After all, why waste all those good nutrients. Waste not want not.
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So nice to see the Americans discussing the British nhs.
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CasualCarol: How many times have you heard people say "I want the gov't out of my health care", but don't mess with my medicare/medicaid benefits!
Plenty of times. But what happened???
The government instituted an imposed healthcare system that will totally wipe out medicare and medicaid and will increase healthcare costs for everyone.
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emmy1: So nice to see the Americans discussing the British nhs.
Not me. But I'd be happy to discuss the French Healthcare system.
Now people have to buy
- the national healthcare insurance (which is costly for very limited benefits)
- mutual insurance to cover all the costs that the national insurance doesn't cover
- a third insurance to cover all the costs the mutual doesn't pay
And besides that there is an extra tax called the CSG which means it's a "contribution" to help repay the massive debt from the social healthcare system.
Altogether people pay 3 times as much of their income on healthcare as they did back when insurance was private. Is it somehow more "just"? Yes, I suppose so. It penalizes everybody equally.
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emmy1: So nice to see the Americans discussing the British nhs.
I did a link and in that link it mentioned Amanda Holden and that she was a Actress ans Presenter.
Then I posted made fun of the mass media and then to a lady poster regarding the USa's affordable Healthcare and then that lady poster created a totally different thread to respond to not highjack the OP thread.
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Ccincy: There are some people think that if it's plastered on the internet that it just has to be true.
Especially if the mass media writes a story about it.
Especially if the mass media writes a story about it.
Some people even believe the government.
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If you look at it in the past most folks had No Health insurance and therefore No health care costs - now everyone must have health insurance and that means they are now having to spend their money on something they did not do before. Some people get tax credits -
Affordable does not mean that your tax dollars should pay for it. the only thing free about this program is the choice you have when choosing your health care package - it is a free market place.
Are you not even willing to question why it's set to cost so much? Are you so blinded by the positive feels that come from "affordable" universal healthcare to see how much you're being conned? Have you any capacity for logic, reason or objective analysis?... Shouldn't have given you the vote.
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