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Jul 13, 2014 8:17 PM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
jac379: One of the main characters is the protagonist from The Colour Purple.

It's quite a strange novel in some ways, but with humour and extraordinary beauty.


I def. want to read it now!
Perhaps I'll jaunt down to the library tomorrow :)
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Jul 13, 2014 8:40 PM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
jac379: How can I 'have' a 'god'? What does 'god' mean to you?

Are all the descriptions of 'god' in all 'holy books/writings' identical? Are all interpretations of said descriptions identical by all people? Is it possible that people have their own individual concepts that they use the word 'god' for?
Nope they do not. Christian, Islam, Judaism have the same god. Buddhist and Hindus slightly differ. BUT Christian, Buddhist and Islam share the idea of a saviour. So the ideology is not that far apart. The New age spirituality is not all that different. The existing religions say spread the love, spiritualism says feel the love and all of them have a higher power which is not there when it comes to it. All the believes seek science of medicine as treatment before their terminal breath.
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Jul 13, 2014 11:48 PM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
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LadyLori: True jac. I like a healthy debate. I was one of the few that always raised my hand, in my Current World Problems class in high school, when it was debate day w/ our teacher!
And this is interesting, though it still perplexes me why nonbelievers often show aggression towards a believer. It doesn't bother me though, as I believe everyone has a right to their opinion.

My Pastor once said he feels the reason Christians have been persecuted for so long is because Christians have faith & that makes us strong, which makes (some of) the weak, fearful. So they react w/ anger/aggression to try to break you down, so you won't be strong anymore.
I actually have a few friends who are nonbelievers, and we respect each others views, so it doesn't effect our friendship one bit.


Your pastor has a very selective memory, and very lousy knowledge of history.

People with blind faith consider everything as an attack, when they are faced with logical arguments, and mature debates.

Christians were the ones who were prosecuting, killing, burning and murdering people for their worship that differed from the one that holly mother Church prescribed, or how the individual priests interpreted the bible, and the god. Not to mention, that the Church fought for centuries to prevent people to read the bible in their own language. Transcribing the bible from Latin into English for example, was punishable by death. - - - For a simple reason, people might start thinking about what they read, and interpret the "god's" word on their own, and the priests - in extension, the church would lose power over masses. It is all about the control of the people.

If you are talking about the Roman times. There were many Christian sects, and half of them were actually terrorists, and Romans punished them for their actions, like they punished everyone else.

If you are talking about religious wars in Europe. Different Christian factions fought each other.-

If you are talking about the Crusades, look behind the real reasons for them, and what Christian army did to Jerusalem when they conquered it.

Your argument has huge holes I'd say. I cold go on and on here, with logic, history, psychology, and other disciplines of reason. However, I know you will dismiss my arguments, because you have faith. The way you believe in god, you'd be burned at the stake few hundred years ago by the way. Or you'd probably be the one holding the torch . . . That is how it is, when people have faith, and when people are religious.
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Jul 14, 2014 12:11 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
Whether someone is a believer or not many say the bible is the greatest story ever told.
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Jul 14, 2014 12:16 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
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joey987: Whether someone is a believer or not many say the bible is the greatest story ever told.


Mein Kampf was also a great story that was told, and look what happened. . . . The thing is, that the Third Reich fell sooner, than Christianity . . . Which is spreading lies and deceit for 2000 years.
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Jul 14, 2014 1:09 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
Dragos1
Dragos1Dragos1Metro, Oregon USA54 Threads 1 Polls 1,982 Posts
AgentAjax: Nope they do not. Christian, Islam, Judaism have the same god. Buddhist and Hindus slightly differ. BUT Christian, Buddhist and Islam share the idea of a saviour. So the ideology is not that far apart. The New age spirituality is not all that different. The existing religions say spread the love, spiritualism says feel the love and all of them have a higher power which is not there when it comes to it. All the believes seek science of medicine as treatment before their terminal breath.


Not true. At least one and that is from personal connections. (there is actually many more) That Church founded some time in the mid 1800's and still active world wide does not seek Medical Attention. They can, but most deal with their challenges through what they study. Whether you are of religion or not there is one attribute that stands out. You have a strong essence of being "anti", "not". Science is not infallible, Medical Doctors are not cure-alls'. Doctors have no explanations for why some people get better and some don't. Many Medical Doctors are strong believers in many mainstream religions themselves. Not only Doctors but even Hospitals all over the World are many in that they are hand in hand with different religious beliefs. The more you try to disprove something or generalize others you falter by the mere odds of making more mistakes yourself. You seem to have a conviction that is much like`the Evangelist type that annoyed me so much as a child. It is not good enough that someone might have a different view, no! you must convince them to believe as you do, even if it is not in their being.

Strange days indeed. Quite peculiar mama.
-John Lennon
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Jul 14, 2014 8:21 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
joey987: Whether someone is a believer or not many say the bible is the greatest story ever told.


I agree Sir Joey thumbs up
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Jul 14, 2014 8:23 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
Stedan
StedanStedanLiverpool, Merseyside, England UK2 Threads 1,780 Posts
Peoples beliefs are engineered by their backgrounds..come from a Mormon society or Jewish or even Agnostic...and there you have your sole argument....put everyone born new in a complete segregated environment...and we will have the belief that all life began in a glass bowl....end of argument professor
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Jul 14, 2014 8:49 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
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Stedan: Peoples beliefs are engineered by their backgrounds..come from a Mormon society or Jewish or even Agnostic...and there you have your sole argument....put everyone born new in a complete segregated environment...and we will have the belief that all life began in a glass bowl....end of argument


Exactly, belief is the thing of the society one grows up, and geography.
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Jul 14, 2014 9:46 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
AgentAjax: Nope they do not. Christian, Islam, Judaism have the same god. Buddhist and Hindus slightly differ. BUT Christian, Buddhist and Islam share the idea of a saviour. So the ideology is not that far apart. The New age spirituality is not all that different. The existing religions say spread the love, spiritualism says feel the love and all of them have a higher power which is not there when it comes to it. All the believes seek science of medicine as treatment before their terminal breath.


I've just spent five days at a Buddhist retreat...no mention of a saviour there.

And btw, how can you state with such certainty there is not a higher power? With a closed mind a person will be separated from their higher consciousness, unable to find the key to unlock the door, they will spend their lives bound by the chains of a materialistic and unloving society.

But there's still time to wake up and become conscious, it's never too late.

peace
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Jul 14, 2014 9:58 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
i belive i got bouts of the higher consciousness trigger by 16km walks and music, hard to put into words pure bliss, the awareness inhanced to the maxdancing
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Jul 14, 2014 10:16 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
MADDOG69: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_politics_and_lawOh wait... was this an argument for or against?
good one.
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Jul 14, 2014 10:21 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
imo whatever your heart holds you can have the complete oppistie, example if you had depression you can have the total oppisite to depression,,the hearts contents
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Jul 14, 2014 10:21 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
I'm awake early this morning listened to the sounds,birds ,went into my garden admired all the wild flowers all lovely purple colours made tea feeling good inside, my sis in law is a beautiful Canadian Indian has the Hindu religion her wedding was so beautiful flowers in her hair and giving thanks to the all the beautiful things in life,water,earth,fruits,coconut symbolising life,she shares the same view of life as I ...she gives alot of her time she helps run charity in India wher her grandmother came from,she visited and can see where the money is spent and people are one more on there feet to help themselves,,every little bit of a good turn helps ,because every little bit counts,,,we love music to and dance ,hopefully il visit her and my bro and my beautiful neice the baby they have brought into the world and bring her up with love and the ability to make decisions and choices for herself this is the circle of life this is love this is god of my understanding ,everyone to their own whether religious atheist whatever we are same love hate good bad indifference this is human this is god of my understanding so each to their own,
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Jul 23, 2014 11:48 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
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