Surrogate mother give birth to twins,one with Down syndrome.. (46)
The couple on the return to Australia claimed, haven't been told,by the Doctor,that the surrogate mother was going to have twins.
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wonder what sort of Parents the Vermin are going to make!
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Conrad73: wonder what sort of Parents the Vermin are going to make!
Especially if the Aussie guy,has been convicted as a child molestor.-
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chris27292729: Especially if the Aussie guy,has been convicted as a child molestor.-
Holy Crap!
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The surrogate mother is Thai, the baby with Down's Syndrome looks Asian.
I wonder what cultural origin the biological parents are and whether this impacted upon their alleged decision. I have a sneaky feeling there may be more shame attached to disabled children in some cultures than others.
The mother also didn't carry the children herself and that may have had an impact upon the bonding process for the biological parents. Bonding doesn't happen straight away for many parents for a variety of reasons. Personally, I think a non-critical, supportive approach facilitates bonding, not global condemnation.
Whether it's true they didn't know of the second baby's existence, whether they did know of his existence and asked the surrogate mother to abort him at 7 months, whether they abandoned him, or whether the now shut down surrogacy agency played a role, the 'story' does make juicy media reporting. The media reporting is also scant and conflicting. I don't think it's ethical to be making judgements because it serves a purpose for us to go "Ooh aah, aren't they evil?"
I really hope all concerned will get the help and support they need in the best interests of the children.
Oh, I've just thought. Do we know that the child was well enough to travel, do we know that the parents had the resources to transport the second twin, do we know if their visas allowed them to stay longer...? How do we know truthfully that the parents didn't take the one child home that they could while they made arrangements to take care of the critically ill child (heart defect requiring surgery and lung infection according to the reports)? How do we know that the surrogate mother isn't selling her 'story' to the press because she's desperate for the money to feed her own kids?
We simply don't know the full story, ergo, it is not ethical to make pre-judgements.
I wonder what cultural origin the biological parents are and whether this impacted upon their alleged decision. I have a sneaky feeling there may be more shame attached to disabled children in some cultures than others.
The mother also didn't carry the children herself and that may have had an impact upon the bonding process for the biological parents. Bonding doesn't happen straight away for many parents for a variety of reasons. Personally, I think a non-critical, supportive approach facilitates bonding, not global condemnation.
Whether it's true they didn't know of the second baby's existence, whether they did know of his existence and asked the surrogate mother to abort him at 7 months, whether they abandoned him, or whether the now shut down surrogacy agency played a role, the 'story' does make juicy media reporting. The media reporting is also scant and conflicting. I don't think it's ethical to be making judgements because it serves a purpose for us to go "Ooh aah, aren't they evil?"
I really hope all concerned will get the help and support they need in the best interests of the children.
Oh, I've just thought. Do we know that the child was well enough to travel, do we know that the parents had the resources to transport the second twin, do we know if their visas allowed them to stay longer...? How do we know truthfully that the parents didn't take the one child home that they could while they made arrangements to take care of the critically ill child (heart defect requiring surgery and lung infection according to the reports)? How do we know that the surrogate mother isn't selling her 'story' to the press because she's desperate for the money to feed her own kids?
We simply don't know the full story, ergo, it is not ethical to make pre-judgements.
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Conrad73: Holy Crap!
But now his wife saying,he is a "good" man.- We've got to believe them.. She chosen the healthy child and her husband (a good man), not a child molestor anymore. ------ This thread is Archived ------
chris27292729: Especially if the Aussie guy,has been convicted as a child molestor.-
Do you know that, Chris?
Because if you don't know that to be true, that's a very, very dangerous thing to say and it ain't funny at all, my friend.
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jac_the_gripper: The surrogate mother is Thai, the baby with Down's Syndrome looks Asian.
I wonder what cultural origin the biological parents are and whether this impacted upon their alleged decision. I have a sneaky feeling there may be more shame attached to disabled children in some cultures than others.
The mother also didn't carry the children herself and that may have had an impact upon the bonding process for the biological parents. Bonding doesn't happen straight away for many parents for a variety of reasons. Personally, I think a non-critical, supportive approach facilitates bonding, not global condemnation.
Whether it's true they didn't know of the second baby's existence, whether they did know of his existence and asked the surrogate mother to abort him at 7 months, whether they abandoned him, or whether the now shut down surrogacy agency played a role, the 'story' does make juicy media reporting. The media reporting is also scant and conflicting. I don't think it's ethical to be making judgements because it serves a purpose for us to go "Ooh aah, aren't they evil?"
I really hope all concerned will get the help and support they need in the best interests of the children.
Oh, I've just thought. Do we know that the child was well enough to travel, do we know that the parents had the resources to transport the second twin, do we know if their visas allowed them to stay longer...? How do we know truthfully that the parents didn't take the one child home that they could while they made arrangements to take care of the critically ill child (heart defect requiring surgery and lung infection according to the reports)? How do we know that the surrogate mother isn't selling her 'story' to the press because she's desperate for the money to feed her own kids?
We simply don't know the full story, ergo, it is not ethical to make pre-judgements.
I wonder what cultural origin the biological parents are and whether this impacted upon their alleged decision. I have a sneaky feeling there may be more shame attached to disabled children in some cultures than others.
The mother also didn't carry the children herself and that may have had an impact upon the bonding process for the biological parents. Bonding doesn't happen straight away for many parents for a variety of reasons. Personally, I think a non-critical, supportive approach facilitates bonding, not global condemnation.
Whether it's true they didn't know of the second baby's existence, whether they did know of his existence and asked the surrogate mother to abort him at 7 months, whether they abandoned him, or whether the now shut down surrogacy agency played a role, the 'story' does make juicy media reporting. The media reporting is also scant and conflicting. I don't think it's ethical to be making judgements because it serves a purpose for us to go "Ooh aah, aren't they evil?"
I really hope all concerned will get the help and support they need in the best interests of the children.
Oh, I've just thought. Do we know that the child was well enough to travel, do we know that the parents had the resources to transport the second twin, do we know if their visas allowed them to stay longer...? How do we know truthfully that the parents didn't take the one child home that they could while they made arrangements to take care of the critically ill child (heart defect requiring surgery and lung infection according to the reports)? How do we know that the surrogate mother isn't selling her 'story' to the press because she's desperate for the money to feed her own kids?
We simply don't know the full story, ergo, it is not ethical to make pre-judgements.
God darn you and your contrarian attention-seeking. Would it kill you to be not so painfully predictable. When you're not debasing the normal you're Humanising the monsters. And is there really no bottom to the depths that you will plunge in your attempts to be right where everybody else is wrong.
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chris27292729: But now his wife saying,he is a "good" man.- We've got to believe them.. She chosen the healthy child and her husband (a good man), not a child molestor anymore.
a "reformed" Childmolester!
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chris27292729: Is reported, that a Thai 21 years old,hired by an Australian couple as a surrogate mother,gave birth to twins.One of the twins was born with Down Syndrome.Then the couple collected the healthy baby (a girl)and off
to Aussie land,leaving behind the Down Syndome baby.
My question is,would you do the same,as the Aussie couple did????
to Aussie land,leaving behind the Down Syndome baby.
My question is,would you do the same,as the Aussie couple did????
I learned years ago from watching/reading the news here in the USA that just because it's reported/printed in the media that 100% of it is false.That the media obviously finds ways to build up their readership.
Is there actual proof that the parents have abandoned the other twin? Probably not.
As for making the remark about the parent(s) being a child molester is not a good thing to say unless you have absolute proof.
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The reports from the Aussie media say, was convicted 13 years ago. According to reports they knew,the surrogate was carrying twins. They found and they pay,for a surrogate mather. Those IFs you mantion in your post,according to my opinion ,don't hold ground. I see it this way. I pay for a child,via a surrogate,then i have to take my child home.-Now it happens to be twins,lucky me, instead of taking one home,i'll bring back home TWO.- What a happy mother i should have been,but NO i left the other behind because........."he has the Down Under SAyndrome".
jac_the_gripper: Do you know that, Chris?
Because if you don't know that to be true, that's a very, very dangerous thing to say and it ain't funny at all, my friend.
Because if you don't know that to be true, that's a very, very dangerous thing to say and it ain't funny at all, my friend.
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The Aussie media say he was convicted 13 years ago, as a child molestor.And his wife replyed to the said media. """Now he is a good man""". The news NOT mine. Whatever i know is from the media.And am not an expert going around verifying,what i read,-
Ccincy: I learned years ago from watching/reading the news here in the USA that just because it's reported/printed in the media that 100% of it is false.That the media obviously finds ways to build up their readership.
Is there actual proof that the parents have abandoned the other twin? Probably not.
As for making the remark about the parent(s) being a child molester is not a good thing to say unless you have absolute proof.
Is there actual proof that the parents have abandoned the other twin? Probably not.
As for making the remark about the parent(s) being a child molester is not a good thing to say unless you have absolute proof.
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chris27292729: The Aussie media say he was convicted 13 years ago, as a child molestor.And his wife replyed to the said media. """Now he is a good man""". The news NOT mine. Whatever i know is from the media.And am not an expert going around verifying,what i read,-
So you would much rather pass judgement on someone you don't know and because if the media prints/reports it then it has to be true. Just because it's much easier then checking things out first.You don't have to be an expert to check things out.
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Lets assume the story is true, Whats your judgement then,??? I passed judgement as the story unfolds in Thailand and Australia,not only myself and 3,5 billion people,via the TV,Internet,world or local media.- Your problem then looks to me like authenticity in media.-Well as i said am not an expert
but am planing to go to Thailand and Australia,interview the people concern,and let you know.If your smarter,then you can check the whole story for me,and let me know, as you would do me a favor, save my expences to Thai+Aussie.
but am planing to go to Thailand and Australia,interview the people concern,and let you know.If your smarter,then you can check the whole story for me,and let me know, as you would do me a favor, save my expences to Thai+Aussie. Ccincy: So you would much rather pass judgement on someone you don't know and because if the media prints/reports it then it has to be true. Just because it's much easier then checking things out first.You don't have to be an expert to check things out.
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chris27292729: Lets assume the story is true, Whats your judgement then,??? I passed judgement as the story unfolds in Thailand and Australia,not only myself and 3,5 billion people,via the TV,Internet,world or local media.- Your problem then looks to me like authenticity in media.-Well as i said am not an expert but am planing to go to Thailand and Australia,interview the people concern,and let you know.If your smarter,then you can check the whole story for me,and let me know, as you would do me a favor, save my expences to Thai+Aussie.
What's my judgement? In regards to the parents I don't have any.I don't know their situation.
As for me being smarter I don't claim to be.I just don't fall for the stuff that the media pulls just to make a buck off someone elses problems.And if 3.5 Billion choose to dote on everything the news medias are reporting/printing then it's obviously their choice.Especially when it comes to this case regarding one of the twins supposedly being left behind.
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A Court should decide what to do about all of them.
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chris27292729: The Aussie media say he was convicted 13 years ago, as a child molestor.And his wife replyed to the said media. """Now he is a good man""". The news NOT mine. Whatever i know is from the media.And am not an expert going around verifying,what i read,-
I asked you if you knew the father of the children was a convicted child molester, not whether you'd read it in the media.
I wonder, why would a child molester leave the golden opportunity to have an extremely vulnerable child who would find it more difficult to express himself under the guise of being super dad?
That doesn't quite add up to me.
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jac_the_gripper: I asked you if you knew the father of the children was a convicted child molester, not whether you'd read it in the media.
I wonder, why would a child molester leave the golden opportunity to have an extremely vulnerable child who would find it more difficult to express himself under the guise of being super dad?
That doesn't quite add up to me.
My post No 1 starts ""Is reported"" and you ask me if i knew the father of the children????I wonder, why would a child molester leave the golden opportunity to have an extremely vulnerable child who would find it more difficult to express himself under the guise of being super dad?
That doesn't quite add up to me.
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Sorry Cc, my post No 1 starts """Is reported". It is obvious some billions including myself """dote on everything the news medias are reporting/printing""" and as you ""don't fall for the stuff"",why then took the trouble to post in this thread is beyond me.
Ccincy: What's my judgement? In regards to the parents I don't have any.I don't know their situation.As for me being smarter I don't claim to be.I just don't fall for the stuff that the media pulls just to make a buck off someone elses problems.And if 3.5 Billion choose to dote on everything the news medias are reporting/printing then it's obviously their choice.Especially when it comes to this case regarding one of the twins supposedly being left behind.
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to Aussie land,leaving behind the Down Syndome baby.
My question is,would you do the same,as the Aussie couple did????