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Aug 6, 2014 8:13 AM CST Biocentrism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Robert Lanzer Was named as one of the four most valued and needed scientists on this planet. Has anyone read any of his books? He has some mind bending ideas, bit to far out even for other scientists. laugh

If you have which ones and what is your opinion on some of his ideas?
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Aug 18, 2014 8:50 PM CST Biocentrism
charlos
charloscharlosBraunschweig, Lower Saxony Germany1 Threads 243 Posts
guess you talk about LANZA...

oh well, his bio-"centrism" ideas are truly far-fetched just keeping in mind that more than 90pct of the universe represents "dark" non-bio matter / energy whatever and 99.99999pct of the rest is extremely hostile to bio-elements which results in less than 1 ppb (part per billion) for the bio stuff leaving it completely isolated and unable to form any kind of "centrism" from the viewpoint of the whole universe.
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Aug 19, 2014 7:50 AM CST Biocentrism
Leo_7
Leo_7Leo_7Baku, Azerbaijan87 Threads 16 Polls 2,514 Posts
AgentAjax: Robert Lanzer Was named as one of the four most valued and needed scientists on this planet. Has anyone read any of his books? He has some mind bending ideas, bit to far out even for other scientists.

If you have which ones and what is your opinion on some of his ideas?
no.never heard of him.But will check youtube ,when will have time to see whats this guy about.
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Aug 19, 2014 10:21 AM CST Biocentrism
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
AgentAjax: Robert Lanzer Was named as one of the four most valued and needed scientists on this planet. Has anyone read any of his books? He has some mind bending ideas, bit to far out even for other scientists.

If you have which ones and what is your opinion on some of his ideas?

Theory

Lanza argues that the primacy of consciousness features in the work of Descartes, Kant, Leibniz, Berkeley, Schopenhauer, and Bergson. He sees this as supporting the central claim that what we call space and time are forms of animal sense perception, rather than external physical objects. Lanza argues that biocentrism offers insight into several major puzzles of science, including Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle principle, the double-slit experiment, and the fine tuning of the forces, constants, and laws that shape the universe as we perceive it. According to a Discover magazine article adapted from Lanza’s book, “biocentrism offers a more promising way to bring together all of physics, as scientists have been trying to do since Einstein’s unsuccessful unified field theories of eight decades ago.”

Lanza’s theory of biocentrism has seven principles:
1. What we perceive as reality is a process that involves our consciousness. An “external” reality, if it existed, would by definition have to exist in space. But this is meaningless, because space and time are not absolute realities but rather tools of the human and animal mind.
Our external and internal perceptions are inextricably intertwined. They are different sides of the same coin and cannot be divorced from one another.
The behavior of subatomic particles, indeed all particles and objects, is inextricably linked to the presence of an observer. Without the presence of a conscious observer, they at best exist in an undetermined state of probability waves.

Without consciousness, “matter” dwells in an undetermined state of probability.

Any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state.
The structure of the universe is explainable only through biocentrism. The universe is fine-tuned for life, which makes perfect sense as life creates the universe, not the other way around. The “universe” is simply the complete spatio-temporal logic of the self.
Time does not have a real existence outside of animal-sense perception. It is the process by which we perceive changes in the universe.
Space, like time, is not an object or a thing. Space is another form of our animal understanding and does not have an independent reality. We carry space and time around with us like turtles with shells. Thus, there is no absolute self-existing matrix in which physical events occur independent of life.



Although, nothing new under the sun.

coffee
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Aug 19, 2014 10:30 AM CST Biocentrism
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
charlos: guess you talk about LANZA...

oh well, his bio-"centrism" ideas are truly far-fetched just keeping in mind that more than 90pct of the universe represents "dark" non-bio matter / energy whatever and 99.99999pct of the rest is extremely hostile to bio-elements which results in less than 1 ppb (part per billion) for the bio stuff leaving it completely isolated and unable to form any kind of "centrism" from the viewpoint of the whole universe.
that guy that worked for edison was b4 him time/thinking.
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Aug 19, 2014 7:57 PM CST Biocentrism
charlos
charloscharlosBraunschweig, Lower Saxony Germany1 Threads 243 Posts
lifeisadream:
Lanza argues.....

...although, nothing new under the sun.


Quite right, just too many assumptions/hypothesis, not much left if Ockham's razor is applied !
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Aug 19, 2014 8:41 PM CST Biocentrism
Until we understand (or even identify what) dark matter is, there will be no unifying theory.
Shucks, I'm not so sure we have the whole theory of gravity correct to begin with! LOL
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Aug 21, 2014 10:07 PM CST Biocentrism
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
CasualCarol: Until we understand (or even identify what) dark matter is, there will be no unifying theory.
Shucks, I'm not so sure we have the whole theory of gravity correct to begin with! LOL

Dark matter now and there will be another matter and so on and on...

We do not know enough about this world and to the least of others.

uncertain


But let us pretend.

laugh
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Aug 22, 2014 2:04 AM CST Biocentrism
postneoludite
postneoluditepostneoluditeWest Vancouver, British Columbia Canada39 Threads 22 Polls 890 Posts
I'm going with Shucks, too.
I'm reminded of a quote attributed to Niels Bohr
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question which divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct"
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Aug 22, 2014 6:21 AM CST Biocentrism
postneoludite
postneoluditepostneoluditeWest Vancouver, British Columbia Canada39 Threads 22 Polls 890 Posts
"Biocentrism suggests that life is not an accidental byproduct of physics, but rather is a key part of our understanding of the universe. Biocentrism states that there is no independent external universe outside of biological existence"
Sounds like more of a philosophy than a measurable phenomenon. It would seem more plausible if experimental results varied depending on who did the measuring.
But maybe they do, and that's why science appears to progress. If you happen to be at the right point in bio-space-time, you get a Nobel prize.
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Aug 22, 2014 6:24 AM CST Biocentrism
postneoludite
postneoluditepostneoluditeWest Vancouver, British Columbia Canada39 Threads 22 Polls 890 Posts
In response to: Robert Lanzer Was named as one of the four most valued and needed scientists on this planet. Has anyone read any of his books? He has some mind bending ideas, bit to far out even for other scientists.

If you have which ones and what is your opinion on some of his ideas?
In response to: Robert Lanzer Was named as one of the four most valued and needed scientists on this planet. Has anyone read any of his books? He has some mind bending ideas, bit to far out even for other scientists.

If you have which ones and what is your opinion on some of his ideas?

And I'm just as smart as Lanzer is. I'm just at a different place in bio-space-time, so no prize for me.
Freaky stuff, man.
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Aug 22, 2014 8:47 AM CST Biocentrism
postneoludite
postneoluditepostneoluditeWest Vancouver, British Columbia Canada39 Threads 22 Polls 890 Posts
If any of you gals is up for some entanglement, I'm available.
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Aug 22, 2014 9:05 AM CST Biocentrism
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
postneoludite: I'm going with Shucks, too.
I'm reminded of a quote attributed to Niels Bohr
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question which divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct"
tesla?work on electics,cordless charge just now put in use/from 1900s many ideas,ahead of his time.
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Aug 22, 2014 9:38 AM CST Biocentrism
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
AgentAjax: Robert Lanzer Was named as one of the four most valued and needed scientists on this planet. Has anyone read any of his books? He has some mind bending ideas, bit to far out even for other scientists.

If you have which ones and what is your opinion on some of his ideas?


I tend to believe in determinism and not solipsism so I draw the opposite conclusion to biocentrism. I think we all exist on one plane of reality which we are merely conduits of and so our observations of the quantum are determined by our perspective from this universe. In this way the moon would still exist when I'm not looking at it.

I believe this because I think the universe is too complicated and unknown for solipsism to be its creator. And also because scientific breakthroughs of the past have increasingly suggested that we're not all that significant in the grand scheme of things(we used to think the universe was small and revolved around us), whereas biocentrism would contradict this and put man as the be all and end all in the same way as some of the old religions. Biocentrism will greatly appeal to people's self-importance and narcissism, but I don't believe in it.
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Aug 22, 2014 4:48 PM CST Biocentrism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
charlos: guess you talk about LANZA...

oh well, his bio-"centrism" ideas are truly far-fetched just keeping in mind that more than 90pct of the universe represents "dark" non-bio matter / energy whatever and 99.99999pct of the rest is extremely hostile to bio-elements which results in less than 1 ppb (part per billion) for the bio stuff leaving it completely isolated and unable to form any kind of "centrism" from the viewpoint of the whole universe.
yes I did mean Lanzagrin good point.thumbs up
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Aug 22, 2014 5:00 PM CST Biocentrism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Obstinance_Works: I tend to believe in determinism and not solipsism so I draw the opposite conclusion to biocentrism. I think we all exist on one plane of reality which we are merely conduits of and so our observations of the quantum are determined by our perspective from this universe. In this way the moon would still exist when I'm not looking at it.

I believe this because I think the universe is too complicated and unknown for solipsism to be its creator. And also because scientific breakthroughs of the past have increasingly suggested that we're not all that significant in the grand scheme of things(we used to think the universe was small and revolved around us), whereas biocentrism would contradict this and put man as the be all and end all in the same way as some of the old religions. Biocentrism will greatly appeal to people's self-importance and narcissism, but I don't believe in it.
I don't believe in determinism because it is a fact, facts are facts and beliefs are beliefs. Not only is the universe determined but life it self.
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Aug 22, 2014 6:30 PM CST Biocentrism
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
consciousness creates matter

without consciousness the universe is quantum potentiality

and as much as i'd like to think i chose this belief...it's still a coin toss... grin

now...

back to patting schrodinger's cat and wondering why...

laugh

wine
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Aug 23, 2014 3:29 AM CST Biocentrism
postneoludite
postneoluditepostneoluditeWest Vancouver, British Columbia Canada39 Threads 22 Polls 890 Posts
Stephen Hawkings car broke down so it took it to his quantum mechanic and asked if he could fix it.
"I don't know." said the mechanic.
"I'll have to look at it."
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Aug 23, 2014 12:16 PM CST Biocentrism
AgentAjax: Robert Lanzer Was named as one of the four most valued and needed scientists on this planet. Has anyone read any of his books? He has some mind bending ideas, bit to far out even for other scientists.

If you have which ones and what is your opinion on some of his ideas?
k , cool. read , THUS Robert Lanza, YES I agree, I have heard of him, Plan to read more, I totally get it. PEACE HH THX
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