Scotlands Independence ( Archived) (28)

Sep 11, 2014 5:57 AM CST Scotlands Independence
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK377 Threads 8 Polls 24,763 Posts
As an Englishman who doesn't support the Tories and their oppressive 'bedroom tax' and many other cheap hits at the most vulnerable people in society, I know we need the Scottish vote to keep a balance against the forces of 'I'm alright Jack'.
But if I am true to my heart, if I were Scottish, or even an English person living in Scotland, I would be very sorely tempted to vote for an independence that would liberate from years of future Tory kiss-the-a**-of-bankers behavior.
If you vote for independence, can't say I'll blame you.
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Sep 11, 2014 6:13 AM CST Scotlands Independence
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 6,786 Posts
tomcatwarne: As an Englishman who doesn't support the Tories and their oppressive 'bedroom tax' and many other cheap hits at the most vulnerable people in society, I know we need the Scottish vote to keep a balance against the forces of 'I'm alright Jack'.
But if I am true to my heart, if I were Scottish, or even an English person living in Scotland, I would be very sorely tempted to vote for an independence that would liberate from years of future Tory kiss-the-a**-of-bankers behavior.
If you vote for independence, can't say I'll blame you.


Nobody really likes the Tories, or the bankers for that matter. But we remember what Labour did, we've seen what Hollande has achieved in France, and if we don't draw a line in the sand against Social Democracy then England and Scotland could both end up like Poland. If Scotland goes independent they will come to hate their own government more than they ever hated the Tories.
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Sep 11, 2014 6:14 AM CST Scotlands Independence
Anglaishomme
AnglaishommeAnglaishommeSancoins and sometimes Sussex, Centre France23 Posts
tomcatwarne: As an Englishman who doesn't support the Tories and their oppressive 'bedroom tax' and many other cheap hits at the most vulnerable people in society, I know we need the Scottish vote to keep a balance against the forces of 'I'm alright Jack'.
But if I am true to my heart, if I were Scottish, or even an English person living in Scotland, I would be very sorely tempted to vote for an independence that would liberate from years of future Tory kiss-the-a**-of-bankers behavior.
If you vote for independence, can't say I'll blame you.


oh for an intelligence before idiots like this vote
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Sep 11, 2014 6:16 AM CST Scotlands Independence
yay It is about time that Scotland held this vote. It is truly historic.


bouquet .... My ancestral folks left Scotland back in 1860 - the land, will always be my homeland, in my heart. Even if I do love the red, white and blue,



blue with a white saltire is comfortable, familiar and should wave forever.

Bratach na h-Alba
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Sep 11, 2014 6:47 AM CST Scotlands Independence
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 6,786 Posts
JeanKimberley: It is about time that Scotland held this vote. It is truly historic. .... My ancestral folks left Scotland back in 1860 - the land, will always be my homeland, in my heart. Even if I do love the red, white and blue,
blue with a white saltire is comfortable, familiar and should wave forever.

Bratach na h-Alba


That's so Stuff White People Like. Only in North America os there this strong trend for White people obsess over their genealogical roots to Europe. Suffice it to say that your heart has nothing to do with this continent and everything to do with your own. Everything about you screams white-collar, blue-state, middle-aged, liberal and female stereotype.
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Sep 11, 2014 6:52 AM CST Scotlands Independence
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 6,786 Posts
Obstinance_Works: That's so Stuff White People Like. Only in North America os there this strong trend for White people obsess over their genealogical roots to Europe. Suffice it to say that your heart has nothing to do with this continent and everything to do with your own. Everything about you screams white-collar, blue-state, middle-aged, liberal and female stereotype.


I'm sure there's an article on it for you here:



And plenty of other articles if you can spare a laugh at yourself.
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Sep 11, 2014 6:53 AM CST Scotlands Independence
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK127 Threads 7 Polls 21,464 Posts
Obstinance_Works: ....... If Scotland goes independent they will come to hate their own government more than they ever hated the Tories.


You could possibly be right there, so if that happens WE can then vote to change it, unlike now where we have little influence over election results.
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Sep 11, 2014 6:56 AM CST Scotlands Independence
RDM59: You could possibly be right there, so if that happens WE can then vote to change it, unlike now where we have little influence over election results.
Hi RDM, what would you like , independence or with UK?wave
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Sep 11, 2014 7:07 AM CST Scotlands Independence
Obstinance_Works: That's so Stuff White People Like. Only in North America is there this strong trend for White people obsess over their genealogical roots to Europe. Suffice it to say that your heart has nothing to do with this continent and everything to do with your own. Everything about you screams white-collar, blue-state, middle-aged, liberal and female stereotype.



comfort There you go again, trying to put folk into nice neat little boxes to fit your understanding of the world.

And thank you for telling me what my heart feels - phew, I was so worried that I wouldn't know what I feel about something without some whippersnapper, some young pup telling what I feel. Can you tell me what I'm thinking right now?

devil
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Sep 11, 2014 7:13 AM CST Scotlands Independence
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK127 Threads 7 Polls 21,464 Posts
ali110: Hi RDM, what would you like , independence or with UK?


Hi Ali, I will be voting YES for independence. Not because I don't like the neighbours, I just don't agree with their politics and the governments they keep electing that we Scots must also be ruled by. That is what I want to change. I will be sad also in many ways if we split but it is worth the sacrifice IMO.

cheers
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Sep 11, 2014 7:20 AM CST Scotlands Independence
Obstinance_Works: I'm sure there's an article on it for you here:



And plenty of other articles if you can spare a laugh at yourself.


I have the book - thanks!
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Sep 11, 2014 9:10 AM CST Scotlands Independence
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valenciana Spain9 Threads 8,585 Posts
I would like to see Scottish Independence, however I am not sure that financially it is viable.
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Sep 11, 2014 12:17 PM CST Scotlands Independence
JeanKimberley: It is about time that Scotland held this vote. It is truly historic. .... My ancestral folks left Scotland back in 1860 - the land, will always be my homeland, in my heart. Even if I do love the red, white and blue,
blue with a white saltire is comfortable, familiar and should wave forever.

Bratach na h-Alba


Of course it's historic, but it is still very sad that as a whole nation we cannot get on with each other, I truly believe it is a huge mistake, and that Scotland will rue the day they left their longstanding partners.

If they vote to divorce, it will be interesting how they think they can control the Euro government, which has no empathy with either Scotland or England. What about currency? The Bank of England has ruled out the Sterling, so that means taking on the Euro, good luck with that, and the associated price hikes that will be the first of the many problems.

I'm not sure that people such as Salmond have told the whole truth, or truly thought through all the consequences.

Personally I think the vote will actually be a NO, but very close.
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Sep 11, 2014 12:34 PM CST Scotlands Independence
hoolet
hoolethooletDenia, Valenciana Spain54 Threads 2 Polls 13,800 Posts
If it's YES..............they will be the focus for scrutiny for years ahead. So I will pray they haven't cut off their noses to spite their faces. On the other hand......they could well be able to raise the middle finger and show how capable they are of governing themselves.

If it's a NO.............I will breathe a sigh of relief.
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Sep 11, 2014 6:55 PM CST Scotlands Independence
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 6,786 Posts
'So looks like the Scots will vote 'Yes' next week and Britain will be divided between a Socialist North and a Capitalist South....rather like Korea.

I find it laughable that some people in Scotland really believe that the English will roll over and except their decision to break the country in two. Will rUK and Indy Scotland really patch things up and work together as willing lapdogs of the EU (aka Germany)?

Are you really so naive?

Do you really expect English/Welsh/NI tax payers to shoulder the financial burden of YOUR Independence?

Do you really expect English/Welsh/NI people to suffer in silence when the markets panic and we slide back into recession after 5 painful years?

Do you really expect us to turn the other cheek while you whore yourselves to Brussels? Undermining our economy for your own short-term gain?

Do you really expect us to pay billions of pounds to relocate the Trident Nuclear fleet from Faslane and then let you join NATO and enjoy the protection of a nuclear deterrent through the back door?

Do you really expect your NHS to be safe when you loose the economies of scale a UK wide NHS provides? You will be at the mercy of the drugs companies to charge what they like....and they will - they aren't all run by patriotic Scots!

When you vote 'Yes' you are voting to become a scapegoat for all of the problems that will surely follow.

Are you ready to be truly HATED by 60 million people, their children, and their children's children? Families will fracture, friendships will end, marriages will fail. The consequences of this divorce will be felt for generations.

Economic protectionism will spread like wildfire and once again Britain will become the sick man of Europe.
Capital will fly.
Investment will die.
The currency will devalue and any savings people have will be wiped out.
It will be impossible to get a mortgage, people will be thrown out of their homes and lose their jobs.
All in all things will become more desperate for most of us..
...and YOU will be blamed.

Gordon Brown has said a 'No' vote will be the trigger for devo max.

A 'Yes' vote will be a trigger for economic, diplomatic and social WAR.

People of Scotland...be careful what you wish for.'
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Sep 11, 2014 7:40 PM CST Scotlands Independence
NAKEDMUDPEOPLE
NAKEDMUDPEOPLENAKEDMUDPEOPLEsomewhere, Wisconsin USA30 Threads 9,656 Posts
tomcatwarne: As an Englishman who doesn't support the Tories and their oppressive 'bedroom tax' and many other cheap hits at the most vulnerable people in society, I know we need the Scottish vote to keep a balance against the forces of 'I'm alright Jack'.
But if I am true to my heart, if I were Scottish, or even an English person living in Scotland, I would be very sorely tempted to vote for an independence that would liberate from years of future Tory kiss-the-a**-of-bankers behavior.
If you vote for independence, can't say I'll blame you.


It will always be the poor and uneducated people that will suffer.
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Sep 11, 2014 7:43 PM CST Scotlands Independence
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada36 Threads 1 Polls 10,634 Posts
NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: It will always be the poor and uneducated people that will suffer.


wave Hiya.
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Sep 11, 2014 9:44 PM CST Scotlands Independence
Matisse_
Matisse_Matisse_Alte Brown District, Buenos Aires Argentina5 Threads 1 Polls 89 Posts
Goodbye Pound (£), hello Euro €.
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Sep 11, 2014 10:04 PM CST Scotlands Independence
Is China going to build a state run Disney world in Scotland to help boost their economy?
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Sep 11, 2014 10:29 PM CST Scotlands Independence
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia58 Threads 5 Polls 2,342 Posts
Two thoughts. Scotland could model its economy and domestic banking policies on Iceland, rather than England, or they could become a tax haven like Jersey, which is very lucrative and it would prevent the necessity of an alliance (EU) of some sort in case the oil/gas runs out.

In terms of currency, I don't see how they would suffer if they converted the pound to Euro, unless they continue to receive and purchase products from England and are forced to convert. I think this whole thing will hurt England more than it will hurt the Scots, to be honest.

Based on what I read about the British PM and his financial policies, I would certainly be inclined to want to separate if I were a Scot.
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