Should Governments Around the World use "Eugenics to Improve Population? ( Archived) (18)

Crayons.. Thanks for replying but I don't get your point.

yeppers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not that I want to limit their breeding as such - the poor have nothing else but to have kids surely we're not going to deny them even that? - the problem is in that how through the welfare state they can have 2, 3, or 4 children when even middle class people my age are struggling to have the 1 child.

And I'm trying to look at the broader picture of what 'loss' means. You may be running a mine at a loss, but you close it down and the mining community becomes completely reliant upon benefits and it cripples their sense of self-worth. From this criminality arises with drugs, gangs and vagrancy. The health of the community deteriorates through depression and drunkenness etc.. Now I think the expense of the extra police, the extra welfare payments, and the myriad of financial and social costs that have come from disembowling the industry exceed the losses of subsidising such industries. But yes, protecting these industries would certain competition would be desirable but this protectionism is effectively still a form of loss without saying that it's a loss.

Basically I think we had it better under the post-war consensus when the Left still had some inkling of productivity. Whereas today it's essentially up to the Right to create wealth and the Left to beg and coerce these wealth creators by using the votes of the dependent. And this has damaged the Right by creating a vindictive and short-sighted fixation on profit-making alone, the Right has become too abstract and is not considering the broader social consequences, they've had schemes that realise a profit in the first year, the second year but in 5/10/15 years time it's more of a burden than a boon. In many respects we had it better 50 years ago and we should have left some things well alone.

Obstinence-work... Good response.. In the USA many cities are going the same problem as the ones you have outline. For example, Detroit was a booming city 40 years ago, today the city is bandcrupt. The government is offering investors big deals in getting the manufacturing economy back up.

Poverty can become a cycle in a family easily. The government sometimes indirectly encourage it. For example, the more children a family have is the more assistant they would collect each month , so a poor family will end up with six children. Now when those children are ready for college how much assistance will their unemployed parents get to send them to college. Zero dollar. Hence those children are shut out of the American Dream. Without much education the cycle of poverty continue.

And "wealthy people" equals "better people"????
I don't think so.

Ruth Ginsburg has dual American-Israeli citizenship. Israel is an apartheid state in which citizenship and human rights are alloted according to ethnic background. I certainly don't think Ginsburg has any right to speak for the American people.

If any class has degenerate genes it would be the super-rich.
Small gene pool.
Too much inbreeding.

Maybe the top 1% should be be recycled each year and their wealth redistributed.

I think the human race would really benefit from that.

still checking the Closet and under the Bed every night,Ray?

Rayfromusa.. Thanks for you input. Justice Ginsburg was obviously wrong for making such a statement. However, eugenics was popular amongst the liberal elite years ago. The eugenics program in Germany was influence and finance by Americans. Oliver Wendell Holmes (Supreme Court justice 1927) Buck v Bell , said "It's better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind."

Ron Weddington, co- counsel in Roe advice Bill. Clinton to make abortifacients universally available with these words, " You can start immediately to eliminates the barely educated. unhealthy, and poor augment of our country. It's what we all know is true but we only whisper it."