Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE! (215)
The forensic evidence proves Mr. Brown was shot in/at the car; his body tissue was found inside the car and outside the car door. The forensic evidence proves he WAS moving away; the drops of blood show a clear trail for a distance. The officer has testified Brown WAS going away and then turned back and charged at him. Guess what? The forensic evidence backs up the officer's and other eyewitnesses' claims: the trail of blood indicates a doubling back and THEN the pool of blood formed when Officer Wilson shot him for the final times.
By the way, Missouri's laws allow for a person to use lethal force even if they just think a person is GOING to commit a felony. Striking an officer IS a felony in the state of Missouri.
More bad news: even if your preferred-fairy-tale-version of the events WAS correct (that Officer Wilson shot Mr. Brown while he was running away), Missouri law allows police officers, while in the line of duty, TO shoot fleeing suspects.
You want to be upset about something? DON'T be upset with the Grand Jury who followed the law, as it's currently written, when deciding if an officer worked within the law while enforcing the law when stopping a (now-confirmed guilty) suspect who broke the law.
By the way, Missouri's laws allow for a person to use lethal force even if they just think a person is GOING to commit a felony. Striking an officer IS a felony in the state of Missouri.
More bad news: even if your preferred-fairy-tale-version of the events WAS correct (that Officer Wilson shot Mr. Brown while he was running away), Missouri law allows police officers, while in the line of duty, TO shoot fleeing suspects.
You want to be upset about something? DON'T be upset with the Grand Jury who followed the law, as it's currently written, when deciding if an officer worked within the law while enforcing the law when stopping a (now-confirmed guilty) suspect who broke the law.
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Conrad73: The forensic evidence proves Mr. Brown was shot in/at the car; his body tissue was found inside the car and outside the car door. The forensic evidence proves he WAS moving away; the drops of blood show a clear trail for a distance.
The main dispute around this issue was whether Wilson or Brown was the aggressor. Conflicting witness statements in this regard.
Conrad73: The officer has testified Brown WAS going away and then turned back and charged at him. Guess what? The forensic evidence backs up the officer's and other eyewitnesses' claims: the trail of blood indicates a doubling back and THEN the pool of blood formed when Officer Wilson shot him for the final times.
The dispute around this issue is that Brown was trying to get away. He was shot at. The cop/some witnesses say that Brown turned around and ran at him. Others say that Brown turned around with his hands raised. He was shot by the cop. He started to walk/stumble towards the cop when he was shot again multiple times, the last shot been the fatal one.
Conrad73: By the way, Missouri's laws allow for a person to use lethal force even if they just think a person is GOING to commit a felony. Striking an officer IS a felony in the state of Missouri.
The argument here is that Brown was not going to commit a crime and did not strike the officer. The officer was the aggressor in the confrontation. Murder is also a felony in the state of Missouri.
Conrad73: More bad news: even if your preferred-fairy-tale-version of the events WAS correct (that Officer Wilson shot Mr. Brown while he was running away), Missouri law allows police officers, while in the line of duty, TO shoot fleeing suspects.You want to be upset about something? DON'T be upset with the Grand Jury who followed the law, as it's currently written, when deciding if an officer worked within the law while enforcing the law when stopping a (now-confirmed guilty) suspect who broke the law.
Courts of law determine the sentence for people who commit crimes. Argument here is whether the police officer committed a crime. I am just wondering, do you usually just decide to change your beliefs and ideology when it suits you? You are usually on here arguing for less State apparatus and less State involvement in people's lives. Or is it just that these beliefs don't count when poorer, more marginalized people are involved...
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gcy1980: The main dispute around this issue was whether Wilson or Brown was the aggressor. Conflicting witness statements in this regard.
The dispute around this issue is that Brown was trying to get away. He was shot at. The cop/some witnesses say that Brown turned around and ran at him. Others say that Brown turned around with his hands raised. He was shot by the cop. He started to walk/stumble towards the cop when he was shot again multiple times, the last shot been the fatal one.
The argument here is that Brown was not going to commit a crime and did not strike the officer. The officer was the aggressor in the confrontation. Murder is also a felony in the state of Missouri.
Courts of law determine the sentence for people who commit crimes. Argument here is whether the police officer committed a crime. I am just wondering, do you usually just decide to change your beliefs and ideology when it suits you? You are usually on here arguing for less State apparatus and less State involvement in people's lives. Or is it just that these beliefs don't count when poorer, more marginalized people are involved...
The dispute around this issue is that Brown was trying to get away. He was shot at. The cop/some witnesses say that Brown turned around and ran at him. Others say that Brown turned around with his hands raised. He was shot by the cop. He started to walk/stumble towards the cop when he was shot again multiple times, the last shot been the fatal one.
The argument here is that Brown was not going to commit a crime and did not strike the officer. The officer was the aggressor in the confrontation. Murder is also a felony in the state of Missouri.
Courts of law determine the sentence for people who commit crimes. Argument here is whether the police officer committed a crime. I am just wondering, do you usually just decide to change your beliefs and ideology when it suits you? You are usually on here arguing for less State apparatus and less State involvement in people's lives. Or is it just that these beliefs don't count when poorer, more marginalized people are involved...
The Officer acted within the Law.Period!
Can't convict him for that!
Change the Law,so it will be less oppressive,all the Grand Jury had to decide whether the Officer acted properly under Missouri Law!
That's all!
Changing the Law is the Job of the State-Legislative,and I hope they do change it!
And your little Jabs are way out of Order!
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Conrad73: The Officer acted within the Law.Period!
Can't convict him for that!
Change the Law,so it will be less oppressive,all the Grand Jury had to decide whether the Officer acted properly under Missouri Law!
That's all!
Changing the Law is the Job of the State-Legislative,and I hope they do change it!
And your little Jabs are way out of Order!
Can't convict him for that!
Change the Law,so it will be less oppressive,all the Grand Jury had to decide whether the Officer acted properly under Missouri Law!
That's all!
Changing the Law is the Job of the State-Legislative,and I hope they do change it!
And your little Jabs are way out of Order!
My apoligies if you felt it was a personal jab....I meant it as a fair question and observation.
I think you will agree that you hold huge suspicion of the State and it functionings. That's a fair view to have. However, in this case you have just taken the police officer account as truth.
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gcy1980: The main dispute around this issue was whether Wilson or Brown was the aggressor. Conflicting witness statements in this regard.
The dispute around this issue is that Brown was trying to get away. He was shot at. The cop/some witnesses say that Brown turned around and ran at him. Others say that Brown turned around with his hands raised. He was shot by the cop. He started to walk/stumble towards the cop when he was shot again multiple times, the last shot been the fatal one.
The argument here is that Brown was not going to commit a crime and did not strike the officer. The officer was the aggressor in the confrontation. Murder is also a felony in the state of Missouri.
Courts of law determine the sentence for people who commit crimes. Argument here is whether the police officer committed a crime. I am just wondering, do you usually just decide to change your beliefs and ideology when it suits you? You are usually on here arguing for less State apparatus and less State involvement in people's lives. Or is it just that these beliefs don't count when poorer, more marginalized people are involved...
well,Old Son,the Grand Jury decided that the Officer acted within the Law of the State,and they were the only ones with access to all the Testimony and Forensic Evidence!The dispute around this issue is that Brown was trying to get away. He was shot at. The cop/some witnesses say that Brown turned around and ran at him. Others say that Brown turned around with his hands raised. He was shot by the cop. He started to walk/stumble towards the cop when he was shot again multiple times, the last shot been the fatal one.
The argument here is that Brown was not going to commit a crime and did not strike the officer. The officer was the aggressor in the confrontation. Murder is also a felony in the state of Missouri.
Courts of law determine the sentence for people who commit crimes. Argument here is whether the police officer committed a crime. I am just wondering, do you usually just decide to change your beliefs and ideology when it suits you? You are usually on here arguing for less State apparatus and less State involvement in people's lives. Or is it just that these beliefs don't count when poorer, more marginalized people are involved...
So if you want to secondguess them,go right ahead,no Skin off my Nose!
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gcy1980: My apoligies if you felt it was a personal jab....I meant it as a fair question and observation.
I think you will agree that you hold huge suspicion of the State and it functionings. That's a fair view to have. However, in this case you have just taken the police officer account as truth.
I think you will agree that you hold huge suspicion of the State and it functionings. That's a fair view to have. However, in this case you have just taken the police officer account as truth.
Nope,actually I have to go with the Grand Jury Decision,that under Present Law the Officer has no Case to answer!
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the officer was attacked first, these people works under
stressing situations, a couple days back a boy was shot to death
when pointed a toy gun that looks real,
stressing situations, a couple days back a boy was shot to death
when pointed a toy gun that looks real,
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bungallow55: the officer was attacked first, these people works under
stressing situations, a couple days back a boy was shot to death
when pointed a toy gun that looks real,
Agree.The police was doing his job.stressing situations, a couple days back a boy was shot to death
when pointed a toy gun that looks real,
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from what I heard he was a big kid 6ft 6 300 lbs.
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stringman: from what I heard he was a big kid 6ft 6 300 lbs.
Details. No better opinion than of the Jury who checks the evidences and hears witnesses.
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stringman: from what I heard he was a big kid 6ft 6 300 lbs.
yeah but in US 6ft 6 and 300 lbs with a gun in his hand concidered an innocent child
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gcy1980: The main dispute around this issue was whether Wilson or Brown was the aggressor. Conflicting witness statements in this regard.
The dispute around this issue is that Brown was trying to get away. He was shot at. The cop/some witnesses say that Brown turned around and ran at him. Others say that Brown turned around with his hands raised. He was shot by the cop. He started to walk/stumble towards the cop when he was shot again multiple times, the last shot been the fatal one.
The argument here is that Brown was not going to commit a crime and did not strike the officer. The officer was the aggressor in the confrontation. Murder is also a felony in the state of Missouri.
Courts of law determine the sentence for people who commit crimes. Argument here is whether the police officer committed a crime. I am just wondering, do you usually just decide to change your beliefs and ideology when it suits you? You are usually on here arguing for less State apparatus and less State involvement in people's lives. Or is it just that these beliefs don't count when poorer, more marginalized people are involved...
The dispute around this issue is that Brown was trying to get away. He was shot at. The cop/some witnesses say that Brown turned around and ran at him. Others say that Brown turned around with his hands raised. He was shot by the cop. He started to walk/stumble towards the cop when he was shot again multiple times, the last shot been the fatal one.
The argument here is that Brown was not going to commit a crime and did not strike the officer. The officer was the aggressor in the confrontation. Murder is also a felony in the state of Missouri.
Courts of law determine the sentence for people who commit crimes. Argument here is whether the police officer committed a crime. I am just wondering, do you usually just decide to change your beliefs and ideology when it suits you? You are usually on here arguing for less State apparatus and less State involvement in people's lives. Or is it just that these beliefs don't count when poorer, more marginalized people are involved...
Many eye witnesses were heard by the Grand Jury.
Some of those eye witnesses stories changed.
Some of them eventually admitted that they actually hadn't witnessed the confrontation.
Some witnesses volunteered to testify, as long as they were guaranteed absolute anonymity. Their testamonies corroborated the policeman's account of what happened.
There are audio recordingst that corroborate the policeman's account of the events.
Forensic evidence corrobates the policeman's account of the events.
Was Mike Brown's arms raised in the air in surrender? Did he say, "Don't shoot". Those same witnesses answered "No" to those points.
surreal how the chant that has risen as the rallying cry for the protestors across the country and world could be based on something that didn't occur.
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Leo_7: yeah but in US 6ft 6 and 300 lbs with a gun in his hand concidered an innocent child
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GUZMAN1: Details. No better opinion than of the Jury who checks the evidences and hears witnesses.
still,that gives no reason to riot n gunplay monday night,now protest/riots nationwide,man of god rev.al n posse,arrests for incitement of riots n civil suits v.rev.al,etc.dont bet ur life on tryin to take a cops gun here w/ no back up or not!------ This thread is Archived ------
$$$$$$$I just wonder how much this is going to cost the State and the town of Ferguson to clean up?
When the Rodney King riots in LA cost the community a bucketload of money to repair, and make whole the destruction to the businesses, cars and homes in the community.
When the McDuffy riots in Miami costs an entire community to dip well below the poverty line and they still have not gotten the community back into middle class American status.
it always costs those that are left to pick up the pieces, - and insurance never covers these properties....
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stringman: from what I heard he was a big kid 6ft 6 300 lbs.
yes,friend n i did cub scout/police thing one time,he went on to military police/at joplin,mo.meeting place,they know rules of engagement/para military group,some were MPs,at joplin,mo.army reserve unit,they were let off easy monday on in st.louis,mo.army unit involvement is swift n deadly.------ This thread is Archived ------
Kaybee50: He didn't have a gun in his hand Leo.
oh sorry i thought he had.But still he behavour probably wasnt so innocen that police had to shoot it.
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Leo_7: oh sorry i thought he had.But still he behavour probably wasnt so innocen that police had to shoot it.
yep,send rev.al jesse jackson the bill on riots nationwide,or civil court that they like/double edged sword,vote baby vote,not burn baby burn crap.------ This thread is Archived ------
JeanKimberley: $$$$$$$
I just wonder how much this is going to cost the State and the town of Ferguson to clean up?
When the Rodney King riots in LA cost the community a bucketload of money to repair, and make whole the destruction to the businesses, cars and homes in the community.
When the McDuffy riots in Miami costs an entire community to dip well below the poverty line and they still have not gotten the community back into middle class American status.
it always costs those that are left to pick up the pieces, - and insurance never covers these properties....
I just wonder how much this is going to cost the State and the town of Ferguson to clean up?
When the Rodney King riots in LA cost the community a bucketload of money to repair, and make whole the destruction to the businesses, cars and homes in the community.
When the McDuffy riots in Miami costs an entire community to dip well below the poverty line and they still have not gotten the community back into middle class American status.
it always costs those that are left to pick up the pieces, - and insurance never covers these properties....
Ten to one, Nixon doesn't even try and run for governor again. He shouldn't be allowed to sever the public again after keeping the national guard from being on the job when they were needed.
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Offiser Wilson sitting on the drivers seat.
The drivers window open.
Calling Brown to stop, from inside the car.
Brown and Wilson they get in aggressive conversation
Brown reaching for Wilson gun.
Was Wilson holding the gun with his left hand or the right hand
nearer the window????,(Brown reaching to grasp the drawn Wilson gun,
is mighty difficult,(distance from from outside of the car to the left
hand side of the driver).
I believe Wilson was holding the gun, and as soon Brown started to lean over the window,either traying to talk to the Officer or grasp Wilson's gun,that moment Wilson fired at Brown's head.