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Nov 26, 2014 8:49 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
reb56: yep,send rev.al jesse jackson the bill on riots nationwide,or civil court that they like/double edged sword,vote baby vote,not burn baby burn crap.


I think Brown's grandfather should pay the bill since he told everyone to burn it, torch it, whatever.
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Nov 26, 2014 8:52 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
vince2010
vince2010vince2010cork, Cork Ireland10 Posts
he did,nt need to kill the guy trigger happy his lawyer might get a job on cnn like mark o mara travon martin
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Nov 26, 2014 8:59 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
vince2010: he did,nt need to kill the guy trigger happy his lawyer might get a job on cnn like mark o mara travon martin


you, and we don't know that because the Grand Jury is the only ones to hear all of the evidence.... and they decided not to bring charges.....

I find is rather interesting that our trend now is to try people in the court of public opinion - gone are the times when people allowed the legal authorities to investigate, including watchdogs against public corruption officials and police forces, and listened to those that investigated.

Now we have a hyperactive news entertainment business that has risen up to slant the information into such a form and format as to get people to judge situations in which they have not got all the information and often the facts are completely incorrect.

very mad
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Nov 26, 2014 9:03 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
galrads: I think Brown's grandfather should pay the bill since he told everyone to burn it, torch it, whatever.
no justice,no peace/burn baby burn.civil courts will be busy,also.burn my business rev.al,heres my bill or see u all in court!
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Nov 26, 2014 9:05 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
reb56: no justice,no peace/burn baby burn.civil courts will be busy,also.burn my business rev.al,heres my bill or see u all in court!


However, good luck proving THAT in court or anywhere.
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Nov 26, 2014 9:10 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
loyalover4u
loyalover4uloyalover4uunknown, California USA6 Threads 5 Polls 19 Posts
Did Rodney King re-spark the L.A. riots? No? Isn't Jesus coming back quick enough or do we need to set the whole stinkin' planet on fire FIRST...now THAT is the question that inspires a LOT of stupidity which is FEAR based...not rationalized like this "courtship of eddies father" case we have here...where some mini-nut meets some major nut case! I do not care who is insulted,wants to burn the world down or just wants God's job under their toolbelt of inane conduct...All's I care is that 60 trillion more people within the next six hundred years do not flush 10x their casino winnings of ill gotten pound of hominid flesh down the same toilet that disgruntled posto-workers use to keep their ripe rear ends happy with! Chill,relax slow down and just lay down for Tianamen square?
Oh sure...I can do that,will I? Would you? And what of your children or grand children mr and mrs.live forever? Ever seen what life looks like after a riot infects the populous? These are circumstances they have set uop to destroy what our ancestors worked damned good and hard to help build and are now against because the FED's have us all "corraled" or submissive? Nope...not even in THEIR wildest dreams is that a possibility because yeah eventually nature finds a way,not man.
So ramble on when you know the truth never changes...it's all we get. Like it or lump it...THAT is what the Bible is all about. (insert own version here or where ever liked)
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Nov 26, 2014 9:17 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
loyalover4u: Did Rodney King re-spark the L.A. riots? No? Isn't Jesus coming back quick enough or do we need to set the whole stinkin' planet on fire FIRST...now THAT is the question that inspires a LOT of stupidity which is FEAR based...not rationalized like this "courtship of eddies father" case we have here...where some mini-nut meets some major nut case! I do not care who is insulted,wants to burn the world down or just wants God's job under their toolbelt of inane conduct...All's I care is that 60 trillion more people within the next six hundred years do not flush 10x their casino winnings of ill gotten pound of hominid flesh down the same toilet that disgruntled posto-workers use to keep their ripe rear ends happy with! Chill,relax slow down and just lay down for Tianamen square?
Oh sure...I can do that,will I? Would you? And what of your children or grand children mr and mrs.live forever? Ever seen what life looks like after a riot infects the populous? These are circumstances they have set uop to destroy what our ancestors worked damned good and hard to help build and are now against because the FED's have us all "corraled" or submissive? Nope...not even in THEIR wildest dreams is that a possibility because yeah eventually nature finds a way,not man.
So ramble on when you know the truth never changes...it's all we get. Like it or lump it...THAT is what the Bible is all about. (insert own version here or where ever liked)
r e l a x/aaron rodgers,rodney king/rip,like paul simons everything looks worst in black n white/ebony n ivory days are long gone,n harry the hippie love days.
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Nov 26, 2014 1:18 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
gcy1980
gcy1980gcy1980Galway, Ireland1 Threads 103 Posts
Kaybee50: Many eye witnesses were heard by the Grand Jury.
Some of those eye witnesses stories changed.
Some of them eventually admitted that they actually hadn't witnessed the confrontation.
Some witnesses volunteered to testify, as long as they were guaranteed absolute anonymity. Their testamonies corroborated the policeman's account of what happened.


There was also testamonies that corroborated the other side of events too.

Kaybee50: There are audio recordingst that corroborate the policeman's account of the events.
Forensic evidence corrobates the policeman's account of the events.


The forensic evidence also corroborates the other sides version of events.

Kaybee50: Was Mike Brown's arms raised in the air in surrender? Did he say, "Don't shoot". Those same witnesses answered "No" to those points.


And you will find that evidence was also presented that said he did have his arms raised.

Kaybee50: surreal how the chant that has risen as the rallying cry for the protestors across the country and world could be based on something that didn't occur.


Brown is still dead last time I checked...laugh The question still remains about how he died. And this incident only acted as a touchstone for what we see now.

A couple of questions...

Why would an 18 year old who just robbed a store not abide by a police officer who asks him to use a footpath?

Brown is fighting and struggling with the officer in the car. A life and death struggle by the officers account. Brown stops and asks his friend to hold the cigars....this is not a question. Just a statement.

Why would a person charge a police officer who had already used his gun twice in the car? Surely if Brown had dared the officer to shoot the first time, he knew at that point that the officer would.

Just doesn't make sense.
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Nov 26, 2014 1:21 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Ferguson Missouri statistics.

1.- 60% inhabited by blacks.
2.- The Chief of police and the Mayor are White.
3.- Only 1 member in the city counsel is black.
4.- Only 1 school principal is black.
5.- Only 3 from the 35 Police Officers are black.
6.- In 2013.. 36 whites and 483 black were arrested.
7.- 28% of the black citizens live below the poverty line.
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Nov 26, 2014 1:41 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
Leo_7
Leo_7Leo_7Baku, Azerbaijan87 Threads 16 Polls 2,514 Posts
chris27292729: Ferguson Missouri statistics.

1.- 60% inhabited by blacks.
2.- The Chief of police and the Mayor are White.
3.- Only 1 member in the city counsel is black.
4.- Only 1 school principal is black.
5.- Only 3 from the 35 Police Officers are black.
6.- In 2013.. 36 whites and 483 black were arrested.
7.- 28% of the black citizens live below the poverty line.
So what they should do if blacks commit more crimes than whites do?This is silly statement.
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Nov 26, 2014 1:53 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,229 Posts
gcy1980: There was also testamonies that corroborated the other side of events too.
The forensic evidence also corroborates the other sides version of events.
And you will find that evidence was also presented that said he did have his arms raised.
Brown is still dead last time I checked... The question still remains about how he died. And this incident only acted as a touchstone for what we see now.

A couple of questions...

Why would an 18 year old who just robbed a store not abide by a police officer who asks him to use a footpath?

Brown is fighting and struggling with the officer in the car. A life and death struggle by the officers account. Brown stops and asks his friend to hold the cigars....this is not a question. Just a statement.

Why would a person charge a police officer who had already used his gun twice in the car? Surely if Brown had dared the officer to shoot the first time, he knew at that point that the officer would.

Just doesn't make sense.




To answer your question, I'll put it this way. He was raised as a juvenile delinquent. He was so bad that his mother threw him out of her home. The grandmother took him and eventually she threw him out. So where does a young teenager go.....he goes with his home buddies who agree with his delinquent ways. You don't even have to dissimilate what happened in the officers car. The kid stole cigars that's a felony. He accosted the store manager, that's a felony. Two crimes before he even started his rantics with the officer.

Before the grand jury was gathered Ferguson wanted the prosecutor to accuse himself from the case because it was known that he hated black people. The reason he (the prosecutor) hated black people is because his father was a police officer and he was killed by a black person. There's the reason for revenge against the blacks.

If Michael Brown was in the news on a daily basis like he is now we might have heard about how many times he was in trouble with the law.

You say "it doesn't make sense". You are probably a law abiding person and know that when the law speaks, you listen. Michael Brown was a bully and thought he was above the law.

Ferguson is asking for change. My suggestion is that every police officer around the country keep his hat on and that is has a camera so that every move he makes is on video. We shouldn't have to do that because at one time in the United States, the majority of citizens respected the law even when they were in the wrong.

Even John Gotti did what he was told to do when the police said....put your hands behind your back.
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Nov 26, 2014 2:12 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
Ocee102
Ocee102Ocee102unkown, California USA10 Threads 1,399 Posts
gcy1980: There was also testamonies that corroborated the other side of events too.
The forensic evidence also corroborates the other sides version of events.
And you will find that evidence was also presented that said he did have his arms raised.
Brown is still dead last time I checked... The question still remains about how he died. And this incident only acted as a touchstone for what we see now.

A couple of questions...

Why would an 18 year old who just robbed a store not abide by a police officer who asks him to use a footpath?

Brown is fighting and struggling with the officer in the car. A life and death struggle by the officers account. Brown stops and asks his friend to hold the cigars....this is not a question. Just a statement.

Why would a person charge a police officer who had already used his gun twice in the car? Surely if Brown had dared the officer to shoot the first time, he knew at that point that the officer would.

Just doesn't make sense.



You're expecting rational behavior out of someone who just robbed a store? ...and in the absence that, assuming it's the police officer who acted irrationally, not the store robber?

You know some people when faced with jail do crazy irrational things.

People who rob stores do crazy things.

Like rob stores.
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Nov 26, 2014 3:25 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
reb56: no justice,no peace/burn baby burn.civil courts will be busy,also.burn my business rev.al,heres my bill or see u all in court!


Should be easy to get reimbursed for property damage repairs from Brown's grandfather. He was recorded screaming his desire to burn things after the grand jury decision was announced.

Is it only in the USA where this type of vandalism tolerated? Why?
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Nov 26, 2014 4:00 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
secretagent09:

Before the grand jury was gathered Ferguson wanted the prosecutor to accuse himself from the case because it was known that he hated black people. The reason he (the prosecutor) hated black people is because his father was a police officer and he was killed by a black person. There's the reason for revenge against the blacks.


McCulloch doesn't hate blacks.
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Nov 26, 2014 4:07 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,229 Posts
Kaybee50: McCulloch doesn't hate blacks.



You know that because ???
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Nov 26, 2014 4:07 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,229 Posts
Kaybee50: McCulloch doesn't hate blacks.



You know that because ???
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Nov 26, 2014 4:12 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
gcy1980: There was also testamonies that corroborated the other side of events too.
Which ones in particular?
The forensic evidence also corroborates the other sides version of events.
Which ones in particular?
Eyewitnesses said the officer stood over Mike Brown's dead body and continued firing shots into his back. Forensic evidence showed there were no bullet entries into the back.

Eyewitnesses said that the officer fired non-stop at Mike Brown.
Audio recording indicates there was a pause in shooting, when the officer thought Mike stopped advancing on him. He only began shooting again when Mike began advancing towards in again.

And you will find that evidence was also presented that said he did have his arms raised.
Brown is still dead last time I checked... The question still remains about how he died. And this incident only acted as a touchstone for what we see now. Audio recording, one can hear this is indeed what happened.

A couple of questions...

Why would an 18 year old who just robbed a store not abide by a police officer who asks him to use a footpath?
Good question. I have no idea why the 2 teens were walking down the middle of the street. Why would an 18 year old rob a store and push around the store owner? I can't answer what was going thru Mike's head. He certainly wasn't on his best behavior that day.

Brown is fighting and struggling with the officer in the car. A life and death struggle by the officers account. Brown stops and asks his friend to hold the cigars....this is not a question. Just a statement.

Why would a person charge a police officer who had already used his gun twice in the car? Surely if Brown had dared the officer to shoot the first time, he knew at that point that the officer would.
Yet forensic evidence shows that did indeed happen.
Witnesses came forward and say that did happen...witnesses who are African American and who live in that community. Why would those witnesses place themselves at risk by making such a testimony? They have nothing to gain and everything to lose by making these claims, and making those claims before forensic analysis came in, and before hearing the police officer's account.
Just doesn't make sense.
A lot doesn't make sense. His friend, the star key witness, when interview shortly after the shooting said on t.v., "We weren't doing anything". Yet, several days later, the video of the robbery and pushing around a store clerk were revealed. In fact, they were doing something. That teen lost my trust that moment. It is difficult to believe one's statements after he told a lie from the very beginning.
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Nov 26, 2014 4:15 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
secretagent09: You know that because ???
Because in his history of prosecution, I have seen no evidence suggesting he targeted blacks.

I'm wondering why you think he hates blacks. Because his father was killed by one? Is there evidence showing he has acted unjustly to blacks in his career?
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Nov 26, 2014 4:26 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,229 Posts
Kaybee50: Because in his history of prosecution, I have seen no evidence suggesting he targeted blacks.

I'm wondering why you think he hates blacks. Because his father was killed by one? Is there evidence showing he has acted unjustly to blacks in his career?



It's not that I think he hates blacks.

I am only repeating what several attorneys have said.

I am not imagining what I said. You'll see it referred to in this article


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Nov 26, 2014 4:32 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
How a false media narrative made Ferguson worse
Howard Kurtz
By Howard KurtzPublished November 26, 2014FoxNews.com


It was a split-screen spectacle, the president of the United States appealing for calm while Ferguson was starting to erupt in flames.

As Obama was saying “there is inevitably going to be some negative reaction, and it will make for good TV,” the images of tear gas and looting were competing for attention.

I don’t know that anything the president said at that point could have deterred the protestors and agitators after no indictment was returned, and here’s why: They were reacting to a media narrative that hardened into cement soon after the tragedy. And we now know that narrative was filled with misinformation.

We now know that some eyewitnesses changed their stories, or admitted they never actually saw the shooting.

But their accounts echoed across the media landscape, that Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown in the back, that Brown had his hands up, that he was trying to surrender.

As St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCullough said in scolding the Fourth Estate:

“The most significant challenge encountered in this investigation has been the 24 hour news cycle, and its insatiable appetite for something for anything to talk about,” he said. “Following closely behind were non-stop rumors on social media.”

Now the media faced a major handicap in what became a one-sided story. Brown’s parents, understandably grief-stricken, were talking to sympathetic interviewers. Brown’s friends and allies were supporting him. And we had nothing from Wilson or the Ferguson Police Department.

For reasons I still don’t understand, they never put out even a rudimentary statement describing Wilson’s version of events.

The media didn’t know, until word leaked fairly late in the process, that Brown had scuffled with Wilson while the officer was in his police car, that two shots were fired, and that Wilson’s face was swollen from the confrontation. (The Washington Post and FoxNews.com erroneously reported that Wilson’s eye socket had been fractured.)

Without that information, with alleged eyewitnesses saying things that hadn’t been tested before a grand jury, the media had a fragmentary picture at best. We didn’t even know that Wilson had fired 12 shots during the tragic encounter.

But something else was at work as well. A white officer killing an unarmed black kid, a majority white police force deemed insensitive to a minority community, these are racially charged themes that the mainstream media often embrace. And while these are longstanding problems in America, it doesn't mean that every officer in every such situation is guilty.

At the same time, the initial riots in Ferguson boosted the story into a stratosphere even beyond that of Trayvon Martin. The media paratroopers invaded the Missouri suburb for the nightly clashes, their cameras drawing outside troublemakers, exacerbating the tensions and, of course, lifting ratings. (Monday’s rioting, which saw correspondents facing tear gas and rocks, is a reminder that covering such tinderbox events is risky business.)

Finally, we’ve learned the grand jury findings, that the preponderance of shows Wilson didn’t shoot Brown in the back and that he was afraid of the much bigger man he said looked like a "demon." Wilson told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that he wouldn’t have done anything differently and was worried Brown "would kill me." That doesn’t make him a hero, and I still wonder why he couldn’t have ended the confrontation without killing the man.

But it’s also clear that some commentators could not care less about the grand jury evidence, that they consider anything less than an indictment to be a miscarriage of justice. They are clinging to the original media narrative, which turns out to have been badly flawed.
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