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Nov 26, 2014 9:15 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
conroe301: Well, first I wasn't there and you were not there, therefore that's second hand information. Just so you'll know, i'm a cop also. If you refer to the reports, the officer did not know Brown had just committed a crime, he did the same thing that I have done many of times, asked someone to get out of the roadway. As to why Brown attacked, I can't answer that other than to say because the officer was white and was trying to look out for his welfare. It doesn't matter what the race of the officer is, the fact that there's a law enforcement officer asking you to do something and this teenager felt the need to attack him, maybe Brown was thinking that this officer was coming to arrest him for the crime that he had just committed. So the factor of race doesn't play out here, it's a teenager and an authority figure. I live and work in Texas, attack me and see how well you fare. The problem with todays kids is that they have no respect for authority.
Thank you.
It is frustrating to see the young generation in Ferguson, and around the country, observing what is going on and seeing the police as someone they should fear and hate. This is how they learn and why it is, and will be, so difficult to break this cycle of youth raising themselves above their circumstances, and becoming all that they could be.
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Nov 26, 2014 10:13 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
PrettyPrescious
PrettyPresciousPrettyPresciousRenton, Washington USA8 Threads 2 Polls 355 Posts
...and not all cops are good. Fact remains, there ARE bad cops. It is not over. He will be investigated by the police next. I still maintain that the trial should have included a CROSS EXAMINATION (there wasn't that kind of trial). Cops never get those kinds of trials, and cops never get indited after these trials. This is why Ferguson's protesting. The system is flawed and should change.
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Nov 26, 2014 10:34 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
galrads: Well said, Conroe. Juan Williams (Fox) is debating whether the stepfather is guilty of inciting the riots' ... burning and looting. I thought the stepfather was his grandfather. In any case, If he's guilty of inciting the crowds to loot and burn stuff, he should pay to replace and repair stuff imo.


don't forget to add the news entertainment outlets into the mix of inciting the riot as cnn and others repeated his words over and over again in a media blitz and frenzy


Did you also see the looters and rioters on tv with masks over their face like they had a right to hid their identity and a shameful display of thugary - but if the news outlets had decided to to make it a sensation way to sell their business and get more businesses to buy their ads because everyone was watching.
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Nov 26, 2014 10:39 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
peacock33: Here is the way I see it. This has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police officer told in complete detail what transpired, including the fact that this young man threw the first punch. The whole thing started when the cop simply asked him, "Will you just walk on the sidewalk?"

Brown then replied, ‘f— what you have to say.’ And when he said that, it drew his attention to Brown. It was a very unusual and not expected response from a simple request,” said Wilson. Wilson told Brown to “get the f— back,” but Brown allegedly hit Wilson in the side of his face “with a fist…"

So, come on, people, if this had been a white man, Hispanic man, Asian man or an alien THE OUTCOME WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME! STOP MAKING THIS A RACIAL ISSUE!!!

The same thing happened in the OJ case, but at least in the last 20 years, many blacks have come to their senses and realized and admitted on National TV that indeed OJ DID commit these two horrible murders.

Obama and Brown's family want peace - NOT MORE VIOLENCE. Why can't people honor their requests??? Instead, we have rioting in the streets, on our freeways, stopping the traffic, inconveniencing thousands of people. Are you kidding me????


Sorry to burst your bubble there, but here in Miami there are still my black coworkers who believe that football ex husband did not kill nicole and ron (let's start by giving back the respect to the victims and not glorifying the killers by mentioning their names, like the Canadians). I am a baffled as you - but it is about the race - or else we would have so many laws and rules on the books about equality and the path to equality.
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Nov 26, 2014 10:59 PM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
JeanKimberley: Sorry to burst your bubble there, but here in Miami there are still my black coworkers who believe that football ex husband did not kill nicole and ron (let's start by giving back the respect to the victims and not glorifying the killers by mentioning their names, like the Canadians). I am a baffled as you - but it is about the race - or else we would have so many laws and rules on the books about equality and the path to equality.


one word; liberalism
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Nov 27, 2014 1:34 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Your own interpretations of ""Statistics"" is a ""statement""???

















doh doh doh doh doh doh doh
Leo_7: So what they should do if blacks commit more crimes than whites do?This is silly statement.
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Nov 27, 2014 1:56 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
JMO ONLY.... You are a wise man Mr Chemistrymajor thumbs up thumbs up
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Nov 27, 2014 4:43 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
peacock33
peacock33peacock33Sherman Oaks, California USA11 Threads 6 Polls 47 Posts
Well, so let me ask you something. Remember when OJ said he would make every effort to find the "real killers"? He never did. He never even attempted to do so. Furthermore, I live in L.A., right where it happened. OJ confessed to his first attorney, and that's why he wouldn't take the case. OJ's DNA was all over the crime scene, but the stupid jury couldn't grasp that. Need I say more?
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Nov 27, 2014 5:03 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
If OJ confessed to his first attorney,then why the case hasn't been
reopened???dunno dunno dunno dunno
peacock33: Well, so let me ask you something. Remember when OJ said he would make every effort to find the "real killers"? He never did. He never even attempted to do so. Furthermore, I live in L.A., right where it happened. OJ confessed to his first attorney, and that's why he wouldn't take the case. OJ's DNA was all over the crime scene, but the stupid jury couldn't grasp that. Need I say more?
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Nov 27, 2014 6:43 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
gcy1980
gcy1980gcy1980Galway, Ireland1 Threads 103 Posts
peacock33: Here is the way I see it. This has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police officer told in complete detail what transpired, including the fact that this young man threw the first punch. The whole thing started when the cop simply asked him, "Will you just walk on the sidewalk?"

Brown then replied, ‘f— what you have to say.’ And when he said that, it drew his attention to Brown. It was a very unusual and not expected response from a simple request,” said Wilson. Wilson told Brown to “get the f— back,” but Brown allegedly hit Wilson in the side of his face “with a fist…"

So, come on, people, if this had been a white man, Hispanic man, Asian man or an alien THE OUTCOME WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME! STOP MAKING THIS A RACIAL ISSUE!!!


This is the police officer's version of events. Police officer's lie all the time.
Why, after just robbing a store, would these two not listen to a simple direction from a police officer? Surely, they would want to be keeping their heads down. The police officer's statement clearly has many inconsistencies of this type. It is unbelievable.

peacock33: The same thing happened in the OJ case, but at least in the last 20 years, many blacks have come to their senses and realized and admitted on National TV that indeed OJ DID commit these two horrible murders.

Obama and Brown's family want peace - NOT MORE VIOLENCE. Why can't people honor their requests??? Instead, we have rioting in the streets, on our freeways, stopping the traffic, inconveniencing thousands of people. Are you kidding me????


You say it is not a racial thing but then clearly bring up race here. This is deeper than just race and racial profiling. It is about deep inequalities in societies.
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Nov 27, 2014 6:45 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
gcy1980
gcy1980gcy1980Galway, Ireland1 Threads 103 Posts
peacock33: Well, so let me ask you something. Remember when OJ said he would make every effort to find the "real killers"? He never did. He never even attempted to do so. Furthermore, I live in L.A., right where it happened. OJ confessed to his first attorney, and that's why he wouldn't take the case. OJ's DNA was all over the crime scene, but the stupid jury couldn't grasp that. Need I say more?


You said earlier this has nothing to do with race; however, you haven't stopped rambling on about race and the OJ Simpson case since...laugh
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Nov 27, 2014 6:51 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
gcy1980
gcy1980gcy1980Galway, Ireland1 Threads 103 Posts
conroe301: The problem with todays kids is that they have no respect for authority.


Respect is never something that is just given blindly. Many communities have no trust anymore in the authorities and therefore don't respect the authorities. People just don't decide to do this over night. There is usually a reason for it. When you and others in your position realise why there seems to be a lack of respect, then you might begin to understand their feelings.
I am not having a go at you because you are a police officer. I respect police officers highly for what they do. I am just saying that there is a deep suspicion in many communities of the authorities these days. You have to ask yourself why that is?
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Nov 27, 2014 7:54 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
JeanKimberley: don't forget to add the news entertainment outlets into the mix of inciting the riot as cnn and others repeated his words over and over again in a media blitz and frenzy Did you also see the looters and rioters on tv with masks over their face like they had a right to hid their identity and a shameful display of thugary - but if the news outlets had decided to to make it a sensation way to sell their business and get more businesses to buy their ads because everyone was watching.


The news teams need to be present at riots, not just for the present but for posterity. If we need to have riots over anything, they should be justified, like the 1945-1946 Nylon riots laugh

"In August 1945, just 8 days after Japan’s surrender, Du Pont announced that it would move back to producing stockings and newspaper headlines cheered “Peace, It’s Here! Nylons on Sale!” Du Pont’s announcement indicated that nylons would be available in September and the motto “Nylons by Christmas” was sung everywhere. Du Pont originally forecasted that it would be able to produce 360 million pairs per year but this estimate turned out to be over-aggressive. The resulting production delays led to shortage and as a result, riots broke out.

The first riot occurred in September when a small post-war shipment of stockings went on limited sale around the country. Stores were flooded with mobs of women, clamoring to get their hands on a pair of nylons. The riots then grew in severity. In November, 30,000 women reportedly lined up in New York; 40,000 women in Pittsburgh queued up for a mere 13,000 pairs. A headline in Augusta, Georgia read “Women Risk Life and Limb in Bitter Battle for Nylons” and went on to detail how crowds clamored into the store, knocking down shelves and displays along the way."
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Nov 27, 2014 7:58 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
gcy1980: Respect is never something that is just given blindly. Many communities have no trust anymore in the authorities and therefore don't respect the authorities. People just don't decide to do this over night. There is usually a reason for it. When you and others in your position realise why there seems to be a lack of respect, then you might begin to understand their feelings.
I am not having a go at you because you are a police officer. I respect police officers highly for what they do. I am just saying that there is a deep suspicion in many communities of the authorities these days. You have to ask yourself why that is?


I agree that there are times when authorities have not always been trustworthy. We each make our own choices, however, and each of us is 100% responsible for those choices and resulting behavior.

Imagine if the energy and time that was spent looting Ferguson had instead gone into charitable solicitations, building a youth center, restoring a wildlife park, filling a food pantry....and I bet every one of those business that was looted would have gladly given freely to help.

I choose my behaviors, so do you, so does everyone in Ferguson. Many times in life I have not been happy with the decisions of others... from there I choose my next path: Constructive or Destructive.

All that those morons in Ferguson managed to accomplish is make sure that no one will listen to their issues in the future because they have also proved to be at least as untrustworthy as the police they accuse, if not mores so.

just my .02
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Nov 27, 2014 8:15 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
peacock33: Well, so let me ask you something. Remember when OJ said he would make every effort to find the "real killers"? He never did. He never even attempted to do so. Furthermore, I live in L.A., right where it happened. OJ confessed to his first attorney, and that's why he wouldn't take the case. OJ's DNA was all over the crime scene, but the stupid jury couldn't grasp that. Need I say more?


What is the your truth and what while folk in America heard over this certainly different in the minds of what black folk in America heard and believe. It's a crazy country. I am not suggesting what I think or understand, I am just sharing with you in conversation I have had with my friends and colleagues and what they still believe - to spite the evidence.

Anyway, after the civil suit and the other criminal acts and trials, that former NFLer is locked up where he belongs.
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Nov 27, 2014 8:35 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
crayons: one word; liberalism


as if one word would describe America and the behavior of Americans. grin
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Nov 27, 2014 8:39 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
galrads: The news teams need to be present at riots, not just for the present but for posterity. If we need to have riots over anything, they should be justified, like the 1945-1946 Nylon riots

"In August 1945, just 8 days after Japan’s surrender, Du Pont announced that it would move back to producing stockings and newspaper headlines cheered “Peace, It’s Here! Nylons on Sale!” Du Pont’s announcement indicated that nylons would be available in September and the motto “Nylons by Christmas” was sung everywhere. Du Pont originally forecasted that it would be able to produce 360 million pairs per year but this estimate turned out to be over-aggressive. The resulting production delays led to shortage and as a result, riots broke out.

The first riot occurred in September when a small post-war shipment of stockings went on limited sale around the country. Stores were flooded with mobs of women, clamoring to get their hands on a pair of nylons. The riots then grew in severity. In November, 30,000 women reportedly lined up in New York; 40,000 women in Pittsburgh queued up for a mere 13,000 pairs. A headline in Augusta, Georgia read “Women Risk Life and Limb in Bitter Battle for Nylons” and went on to detail how crowds clamored into the store, knocking down shelves and displays along the way."



and this has been touted by the news media as the great generation......

It is truly all about the spin on things - now when I read or watch the news, I ask myself who are the sponsors and advertisers and owner of the network that wrote the story? 9 times out of 10 it is some business that needs to keep top ratings so they spin the news to sensationalize it.
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Nov 27, 2014 9:07 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
JeanKimberley: watched channel 6 this morning - a relatively new business in Ferguson (set up 4 months ago) - a bakery - equipment was destroyed - put up a webpage needing to $207,000 or so to repair the damage from the looting - raised $200,000 already -
god bless em/lucky,rev.al n crew need a summons by st.louis,mo./independant county by mo.law/big city act,extra police/guard time,its a local matter,why bus troublemakers in,al zigged when he shouldve shut his mouth,can n will be used against u in a court of law,KC,mo.burnt in 60/70s?no more free firebug,etc.passes,lucky nobody was killed/murder charges,they ran up vs.wrong guy/white,go for hate crime,too.?
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Nov 27, 2014 9:29 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
gcy1980
gcy1980gcy1980Galway, Ireland1 Threads 103 Posts
felixis99: I agree that there are times when authorities have not always been trustworthy. We each make our own choices, however, and each of us is 100% responsible for those choices and resulting behavior.

Imagine if the energy and time that was spent looting Ferguson had instead gone into charitable solicitations, building a youth center, restoring a wildlife park, filling a food pantry....and I bet every one of those business that was looted would have gladly given freely to help.

I choose my behaviors, so do you, so does everyone in Ferguson. Many times in life I have not been happy with the decisions of others... from there I choose my next path: Constructive or Destructive.

All that those morons in Ferguson managed to accomplish is make sure that no one will listen to their issues in the future because they have also proved to be at least as untrustworthy as the police they accuse, if not mores so.

just my .02


This is the ideal situation but we don't live in an ideal world. We must also always try to understand the behaviour of others from their standpoint. Behaviour comes from the thinking process. So from this point of view, a person's behaviour is his own. This resembles John Locke's view of the person, who has his own inalienable rights and obligation.
But the thinking process is strongly influenced by the environment. So while many will fail to see the causes for the problems now, this is mainly due to not equating the thought processes of the protesters with their environments.
This follows B.F Skinners view point and his dream of a socially engineered utopian society...While I don't agree with the social engineered Utopian society, I think he makes a good point about looking at environments when we try to understand behaviours.
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Nov 27, 2014 10:14 AM CST Re:GRAND JURY DECISION IN FERGUSON:NONE!
gcy1980: This is the ideal situation but we don't live in an ideal world. We must also always try to understand the behaviour of others from their standpoint. Behaviour comes from the thinking process. So from this point of view, a person's behaviour is his own. This resembles John Locke's view of the person, who has his own inalienable rights and obligation.
But the thinking process is strongly influenced by the environment. So while many will fail to see the causes for the problems now, this is mainly due to not equating the thought processes of the protesters with their environments.
This follows B.F Skinners view point and his dream of a socially engineered utopian society...While I don't agree with the social engineered Utopian society, I think he makes a good point about looking at environments when we try to understand behaviours.


and in this case substitute the dog for the mob, the bell for the news media blitz on inciting the riot....
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