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felixis99simplicity, Ohio USA139 Threads 2 Polls 13,363 PostsDo think we always have a choice? Has there been a time when you did do the right thing because you felt you did not have a choice? Is that excusable?
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felixis99: Do think we always have a choice? Has there been a time when you did do the right thing because you felt you did not have a choice? Is that excusable?
I have a choice in everything I do. When I worked 8-10 hours a day it was do the job or get fired. Technically that was the right thing to do because I needed the paycheck.
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felixis99: Do think we always have a choice? Has there been a time when you did do the right thing because you felt you did not have a choice? Is that excusable?
This is a tough one because I honestly can't remember not having choices.
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Do people have moral responsability for their actions?
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felixis99: Do think we always have a choice? Has there been a time when you did do the right thing because you felt you did not have a choice? Is that excusable?
I don't believe you have a choice(in the truest sense of that word)in anything as all is destiny and time is an illusion. Not that this makes any practical day-to-day difference because you have no idea what that destiny is until it happens so the perception of choice remains.
And the perception of choice is an important delusion. The philosophical challenge as we continue to prove that free will doesn't exist is to retain the practical illusion that it does. Destiny would take a sharp turn for the worse if we lose the idea that you're not responsible for your actions even though this is technically the truth. Can we handle the truth? Can we handle their being no free will without turning into children?
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felixis99: Do think we always have a choice? Has there been a time when you did do the right thing because you felt you did not have a choice? Is that excusable?
I've been wrong all my life, but what the heck, I'm yours
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felixis99: Do think we always have a choice? Has there been a time when you did do the right thing because you felt you did not have a choice? Is that excusable?
As children, I imagine we all at some point didn't have a choice.
Btw, did you mean 'did', or didn't?
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Obstinance_Works: I don't believe you have a choice(in the truest sense of that word)in anything as all is destiny and time is an illusion. Not that this makes any practical day-to-day difference because you have no idea what that destiny is until it happens so the perception of choice remains.
And the perception of choice is an important delusion. The philosophical challenge as we continue to prove that free will doesn't exist is to retain the practical illusion that it does. Destiny would take a sharp turn for the worse if we lose the idea that you're not responsible for your actions even though this is technically the truth.Can we handle the truth? Can we handle their being no free will without turning into children?
And the perception of choice is an important delusion. The philosophical challenge as we continue to prove that free will doesn't exist is to retain the practical illusion that it does. Destiny would take a sharp turn for the worse if we lose the idea that you're not responsible for your actions even though this is technically the truth.Can we handle the truth? Can we handle their being no free will without turning into children?
And judging by past performance I would say not.
The rebuttal of free will will be similar to what happened when we stopped believing in Heaven and Hell and the afterlife. When people believed in these things, that they would be judged at the end of their life for everything they did in their life, then this determined that people would have a much stronger sense of responsibility.
But since we lost the belief in the Heaven and Hell people have become far more devious, infantile and shady. Up until this time people felt responsible for their actions even when nobody else was watching(because God was watching), yet after this time, for many people, doing bad was only a bad thing if you got caught.
I expect the same thing to happen when we no longer believe in free will because people won't feel responsible for their actions even when people are watching. Scientifically defeating the illusion of free will will usher in the ugliest of fates. Humanity degenerates with every advance.
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Obstinance_Works: And judging by past performance I would say not.
The rebuttal of free will will be similar to what happened when we stopped believing in Heaven and Hell and the afterlife. When people believed in these things, that they would be judged at the end of their life for everything they did in their life, then this determined that people would have a much stronger sense of responsibility.
But since we lost the belief in the Heaven and Hell people have become far more devious, infantile and shady. Up until this time people felt responsible for their actions even when nobody else was watching(because God was watching), yet after this time, for many people, doing bad was only a bad thing if you got caught.
I expect the same thing to happen when we no longer believe in free will because people won't feel responsible for their actions even when people are watching. Scientifically defeating the illusion of free will will usher in the ugliest of fates. Humanity degenerates with every advance.
The rebuttal of free will will be similar to what happened when we stopped believing in Heaven and Hell and the afterlife. When people believed in these things, that they would be judged at the end of their life for everything they did in their life, then this determined that people would have a much stronger sense of responsibility.
But since we lost the belief in the Heaven and Hell people have become far more devious, infantile and shady. Up until this time people felt responsible for their actions even when nobody else was watching(because God was watching), yet after this time, for many people, doing bad was only a bad thing if you got caught.
I expect the same thing to happen when we no longer believe in free will because people won't feel responsible for their actions even when people are watching. Scientifically defeating the illusion of free will will usher in the ugliest of fates. Humanity degenerates with every advance.
I do like your thinking
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Obstinance_Works: And judging by past performance I would say not.
The rebuttal of free will will be similar to what happened when we stopped believing in Heaven and Hell and the afterlife. When people believed in these things, that they would be judged at the end of their life for everything they did in their life, then this determined that people would have a much stronger sense of responsibility.
But since we lost the belief in the Heaven and Hell people have become far more devious, infantile and shady. Up until this time people felt responsible for their actions even when nobody else was watching(because God was watching), yet after this time, for many people, doing bad was only a bad thing if you got caught.
I expect the same thing to happen when we no longer believe in free will because people won't feel responsible for their actions even when people are watching. Scientifically defeating the illusion of free will will usher in the ugliest of fates. Humanity degenerates with every advance.
The rebuttal of free will will be similar to what happened when we stopped believing in Heaven and Hell and the afterlife. When people believed in these things, that they would be judged at the end of their life for everything they did in their life, then this determined that people would have a much stronger sense of responsibility.
But since we lost the belief in the Heaven and Hell people have become far more devious, infantile and shady. Up until this time people felt responsible for their actions even when nobody else was watching(because God was watching), yet after this time, for many people, doing bad was only a bad thing if you got caught.
I expect the same thing to happen when we no longer believe in free will because people won't feel responsible for their actions even when people are watching. Scientifically defeating the illusion of free will will usher in the ugliest of fates. Humanity degenerates with every advance.
And if we think that affluent, educated and intelligent people can be cunning and devious today then it'll be even worse in the coming decades of increasingly scientific morality. By the year 2050 I expect that you will not be able to trust anybody with an IQ over 90. Only those dumb enough to believe in their false perceptions will have any inherent decency to their character.
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Obstinance_Works: And if we think that affluent, educated and intelligent people can be cunning and devious today then it'll be even worse in the coming decades of increasingly scientific morality. By the year 2050 I expect that you will not be able to trust anybody with an IQ over 90. Only those dumb enough to believe in their false perceptions will have any inherent decency to their character.
At least that's one possible destiny - a destiny which is the logical conclusion of the enlightenment, what some people are calling "The Dark Enlightenment".
But this may not actually be the destiny as who is to say that science and reason will reign in the future when in many respects these have been driven into a corner over the prior decades by the Baby Boomers. Equality? Political Correctness? These are gospel beliefs. There's no valid scientific evidence to say that the races are equal or that the differences between the genders are caused by society. No, these anti-scientific tenets of faith believed in for their perceived harmonising effect(a perception which is in fact nothing more than shallow moralising).
So we have a "choice" of which way to go. Do we follow the second religiousness of the Baby Boomers or do we pick up where the enlightenment left off after WWII and take it to its inevitably dark conclusion?
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Obstinance_Works: I don't believe you have a choice(in the truest sense of that word)in anything as all is destiny and time is an illusion. Not that this makes any practical day-to-day difference because you have no idea what that destiny is until it happens so the perception of choice remains.
And the perception of choice is an important delusion. The philosophical challenge as we continue to prove that free will doesn't exist is to retain the practical illusion that it does. Destiny would take a sharp turn for the worse if we lose the idea that you're not responsible for your actions even though this is technically the truth. Can we handle the truth? Can we handle their being no free will without turning into children?
And the perception of choice is an important delusion. The philosophical challenge as we continue to prove that free will doesn't exist is to retain the practical illusion that it does. Destiny would take a sharp turn for the worse if we lose the idea that you're not responsible for your actions even though this is technically the truth. Can we handle the truth? Can we handle their being no free will without turning into children?
I believe in free will, so I do (to answer life's a dream also) believe that we retain social and personal responsibility for our choices.
But sometimes the choices we make, say in difficult life circumstances, may seem wrong in the eyes of others, or in the eyes of the law....the guy in front of me on the highway was 80-90 mph in a 65 zone. I let him cut in front of me because he might lose his job if he's late.....maybe whatever delayed him was beyond his control, but if he was late that 1 more time he'd get fired. Are you comfortable with his choice?
Or OBS think of Oliver Twist & Ddoger....should they instead starve?
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Yes, starved them
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Obstinance_Works: And if we think that affluent, educated and intelligent people can be cunning and devious today then it'll be even worse in the coming decades of increasingly scientific morality. By the year 2050 I expect that you will not be able to trust anybody with an IQ over 90. Only those dumb enough to believe in their false perceptions will have any inherent decency to their character.
the dumbing down (quote / unquote) of America as it is so called, has showed that false perceptions based on the lack of knowledge are indeed worrisome. Look at the President we elected, for example. lol (Not me BTW).
I do share your concern about overly scientific morality though. Morality should come from the heart & soul
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felixis99: the dumbing down (quote / unquote) of America as it is so called, has showed that false perceptions based on the lack of knowledge are indeed worrisome. Look at the President we elected, for example. lol (Not me BTW).
I do share your concern about overly scientific morality though. Morality should come from the heart & soul
I do share your concern about overly scientific morality though. Morality should come from the heart & soul
I did vote for him
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bungallow55: Yes, starved them
bah humbug you old scrooge
I don;t agree. Social responsibility is a choice. In Dickens era he was criticizing the lack of it in his writings. And I agree with him. He is by far one of the finest authors of all time, from anywhere.
I would hate to see that era return with such a wide gulf between the haves and have nots
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felixis99: bah humbug you old scrooge I don;t agree. Social responsibility is a choice. In Dickens era he was criticizing the lack of it in his writings. And I agree with him. He is by far one of the finest authors of all time, from anywhere.
I would hate to see that era return with such a wide gulf between the haves and have nots but everything I read tells me that that is the direction we are headed in.
I would hate to see that era return with such a wide gulf between the haves and have nots but everything I read tells me that that is the direction we are headed in.
yes but happens to be, this is my era
scrooge?
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bungallow55: I did vote for him
a lot of people did. I did not trust his socialist agenda, muslim & black panther ties, and at the time there were too many unanswered questions coming from reliable people about his birth certificate. And, I was concerned about his lack of experience in general, and in specific, his lack of American military experience.
Then in the 2nd term welll....that needs to explanation.
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bungallow55: I do like your thinking
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