Cancer and Pollution (31)
And then happy new year to you..
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Nidifugous: Day before yesterday, I had a Doctors appt. So we chit chatted a while and I said to him: You know, I've always had a hunch that cancer is caused by pollution. What's your opinion? and he replied: Yes, it is. We (humans) are filters and stuff gets stuck and accumulates.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
AMEN
thank you
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equiya: AMEN
thank you
thank you
You're welcome. I'm not usually into activism, but this has been a concern of mine for a long time.
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mnowsa: And then happy new year to you..
Happy New Year to you as well
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Nidifugous: Day before yesterday, I had a Doctors appt. So we chit chatted a while and I said to him: You know, I've always had a hunch that cancer is caused by pollution. What's your opinion? and he replied: Yes, it is. We (humans) are filters and stuff gets stuck and accumulates.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
Hello.....
I don't see most countries abandoning today's energy sources any time soon for less viable and more expensive alternatives. So, imo, the key to lessening and preventing health issues, including cancer is to prevent pollution and control emissions from energy providers as well as industrial waste.
The effects of various pollution on health has long been recognized by many in the USA before and after president Nixon created the U.S. EPA. EPA’s mission is to protect the environment and public health by various means. EPA's guidance has usually been science based until the more recent climate change business.
Does it really matter what triggers cancer if we can control its growth? I'd like to see more research grants provided to those medical scientist thinking outside the box to arrive at developing means to abandoning toxic therapies such as chemo and radiation.
Right now most cancer centers focus treatment one patient at a time. I think the answers are there if we enhance this and put more effort into the finding the cure(s).
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Nidifugous: Day before yesterday, I had a Doctors appt. So we chit chatted a while and I said to him: You know, I've always had a hunch that cancer is caused by pollution. What's your opinion? and he replied: Yes, it is. We (humans) are filters and stuff gets stuck and accumulates.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
Any also buy local. One thing environmentalist often fail to point out is by how much logistics and producing abroad contribute towards pollution and how good it would be for the earth if we made our own stuff, had real industries and did proper jobs.
It would be a good thing to combine the green argument with something the working masses care about(having a job)because at the moment all the green arguments are tailored for the elites and sub-elites with a raft of measures which penalise the poor and vulnerable(such as costly energy produced by wind farms and organic food).
The greens need to begin making economic sense and ditch their image as the sandal-wearing toff removed from the everyday concerns of ordinary people.
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Nidifugous: Day before yesterday, I had a Doctors appt. So we chit chatted a while and I said to him: You know, I've always had a hunch that cancer is caused by pollution. What's your opinion? and he replied: Yes, it is. We (humans) are filters and stuff gets stuck and accumulates.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
It was most likely not known because mankind did not understand the disease, medicine was very basic, a problem with your premise that bothers me is that prior to the industrial revolution, the average lifespan was far less than modern the 21st century lifespan, surely if pollution was the cause of such life threatening diseases, then the average life span would be lower not higher.
I am not denying that pollution does cause health risks, just putting another view on the problem.
Wishing all a healthy and happy New Year
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A co worker of mine, her daughter got cancer at age 15. The Docs, narrowed the culprit down to her father smoking pot for years. Yes it is possible, and it is rare. But pollution is a small part of it, Cancer causing agents are in the stuff you eat and drink. Take a look at all the ingredients that are in the foods you eat. Fact is, the foods you eat isn't like grandma use to make. Sad huh....
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galrads: Hello.....
I don't see most countries abandoning today's energy sources any time soon for less viable and more expensive alternatives. So, imo, the key to lessening and preventing health issues, including cancer is to prevent pollution and control emissions from energy providers as well as industrial waste.
The effects of various pollution on health has long been recognized by many in the USA before and after president Nixon created the U.S. EPA. EPA’s mission is to protect the environment and public health by various means. EPA's guidance has usually been science based until the more recent climate change business.
Does it really matter what triggers cancer if we can control its growth? I'd like to see more research grants provided to those medical scientist thinking outside the box to arrive at developing means to abandoning toxic therapies such as chemo and radiation.
Right now most cancer centers focus treatment one patient at a time. I think the answers are there if we enhance this and put more effort into the finding the cure(s).
I don't see most countries abandoning today's energy sources any time soon for less viable and more expensive alternatives. So, imo, the key to lessening and preventing health issues, including cancer is to prevent pollution and control emissions from energy providers as well as industrial waste.
The effects of various pollution on health has long been recognized by many in the USA before and after president Nixon created the U.S. EPA. EPA’s mission is to protect the environment and public health by various means. EPA's guidance has usually been science based until the more recent climate change business.
Does it really matter what triggers cancer if we can control its growth? I'd like to see more research grants provided to those medical scientist thinking outside the box to arrive at developing means to abandoning toxic therapies such as chemo and radiation.
Right now most cancer centers focus treatment one patient at a time. I think the answers are there if we enhance this and put more effort into the finding the cure(s).
I agree that most countries are not interested in pushing for cleaner anything, esp. those who are experiencing significant economic growth. The problem is old. I remember when the Rhine river was so polluted that nothing stayed alive. Similar to the Hudson which is still laced with PCP. In the north-east, you cannot even eat the local fish anymore or the clams.
Our former governor up in NJ moved to the EPA which was rather surprising. That was at the time when the Bush administration started to test the scientists for loyalty and ordered new standards. Many quit working there. It was in the news at the time. So the scientists that we have there are not necessarily objective.
I think the problem is that there is plenty of money going into cancer research and nothing is coming out. There's a lot of bla bla and advertising, but when it comes right down to it, they sucked up the money and produced nothing because they can't. Everything still boils down to surgery and chemo. The rest is fluff. That's why I think it's time to take a different approach, you know.
Damn Bush cut off our only potential hope with stem cells. Thanks to him, we can only operate with 12 or so strains. Damn Obama hasn't done anything to change it. It would be a fix with a pen stroke, but no. Aborted fetuses can be flushed down the toilet, but not have stem cells extracted. I can only guess that the established health care industries didn't want this to change.
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Obstinance_Works: Any also buy local. One thing environmentalist often fail to point out is by how much logistics and producing abroad contribute towards pollution and how good it would be for the earth if we made our own stuff, had real industries and did proper jobs.
It would be a good thing to combine the green argument with something the working masses care about(having a job)because at the moment all the green arguments are tailored for the elites and sub-elites with a raft of measures which penalise the poor and vulnerable(such as costly energy produced by wind farms and organic food).
The greens need to begin making economic sense and ditch their image as the sandal-wearing toff removed from the everyday concerns of ordinary people.
It would be a good thing to combine the green argument with something the working masses care about(having a job)because at the moment all the green arguments are tailored for the elites and sub-elites with a raft of measures which penalise the poor and vulnerable(such as costly energy produced by wind farms and organic food).
The greens need to begin making economic sense and ditch their image as the sandal-wearing toff removed from the everyday concerns of ordinary people.
I agree with you, hands down. That's why I can never bring myself to vote green. They have no concept of economics or business.
I am ignorant about how the greens operate in the UK and what measures they are responsible for. I will say that many years ago, when Tschernobyl blew, they were the only party in Germany that told the truth about the dirt (shipments of contaminated baby food to the Netherlands for repackaging and resale back to us, etc.). The governing party reps lied the blue out of the sky; basically business as usual.
If, as you say, they came up with a concrete and sound economic proposal, I'd entertain supporting them.
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rizlared: It was most likely not known because mankind did not understand the disease, medicine was very basic, a problem with your premise that bothers me is that prior to the industrial revolution, the average lifespan was far less than modern the 21st century lifespan, surely if pollution was the cause of such life threatening diseases, then the average life span would be lower not higher.
I am not denying that pollution does cause health risks, just putting another view on the problem.
Wishing all a healthy and happy New Year
I am not denying that pollution does cause health risks, just putting another view on the problem.
Wishing all a healthy and happy New Year
Well, your guess is as good as mine. I draw my opinion from the fact that there are pockets of people who live in regions that have the cleanest air and water, live relatively simple lives and have no cancer deaths. I believe it's in the Caucasus region.
The lifespan prior to the industrial revolution was lower primarily because of the absence of penicillin and a lack of hygiene and food hygiene. People died from preventable diseases.
If the industrial revolution weren't accompanied by simultaneous discoveries such as penicillin, hygiene, xrays, etc. then the death rate would indeed be higher today. So my premise was indeed sound, but nice try
Pollution doesn't just pose health risks, it kills. There was a steel plant near where I used to live. While it was operating, a disproportionately large number of people in the vicinity got cancer. So a study was ordered and a direct link established. The mill was shut down, the cancer problem disappeared. That is empirical evidence.
Wish you a happy and healthy New year as well.
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Oregongold: A co worker of mine, her daughter got cancer at age 15. The Docs, narrowed the culprit down to her father smoking pot for years. Yes it is possible, and it is rare. But pollution is a small part of it, Cancer causing agents are in the stuff you eat and drink. Take a look at all the ingredients that are in the foods you eat. Fact is, the foods you eat isn't like grandma use to make. Sad huh....
Most of the time the docs don't know what the single cause of a cancer is. If a doc says it's one thing or another, they're not being completely truthful.
The exhaust fumes contribute, every CT scan you get, the EMFs that you're exposed to, the food, the preservatives, pesticides, etc. all contribute and then one day comes the bad news.
It is horrible to hear such a diagnosis in children. I cannot even imagine what your colleague went through.
I wish I could just buy non-GMO food and fix it like grandma did, but Monsanto saw to it that for the last 20 or so years, we get a steady diet of GMO stuff, no matter whether it's marked organic or not.
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Nidifugous: Day before yesterday, I had a Doctors appt. So we chit chatted a while and I said to him: You know, I've always had a hunch that cancer is caused by pollution. What's your opinion? and he replied: Yes, it is. We (humans) are filters and stuff gets stuck and accumulates.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.
Pollution is one factor just as many others.
If pollution were the most important factor then everyone in polluted areas would get cancer but some do and others do not.
For the cancer to express there has to be genetic predisposition then diet will be a very important factor + many others like the bleach in the water from the swimming pool. Alcohol is another factor as well, etc....
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lifeisadream: Pollution is one factor just as many others.
If pollution were the most important factor then everyone in polluted areas would get cancer but some do and others do not.
For the cancer to express there has to be genetic predisposition then diet will be a very important factor + many others like the bleach in the water from the swimming pool. Alcohol is another factor as well, etc....
If pollution were the most important factor then everyone in polluted areas would get cancer but some do and others do not.
For the cancer to express there has to be genetic predisposition then diet will be a very important factor + many others like the bleach in the water from the swimming pool. Alcohol is another factor as well, etc....
I'm sure pollution isn't the only factor, but a major factor. You can have a genetic predisposition that never materializes unless it is triggered. That is usually the case in diseases that are inherited such as ankylosing spondilitis, for example. Radiation exposure (xrays/CT/contrast injections) are all cumulative until one day, your cells say: oops, time to mutate.
Chlorine depends one the form it's in. Not all forms of Chlorine are toxic. The bit about the pool is that it's not the Chlorine that's in the water that is toxic, but the gas that hovers on the surface of the pool water. That's why you need to vent indoor pools and why you can smell it. It's what you inhale that kills you.
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its been proven cancer is caused by bad luck
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pedro27: its been proven cancer is caused by bad luck
Readed it several times that coal dust is cancerogenic.
But ambulance engines don't burn fuel as any other car?.
Besides, I give myself coal dust when I smoke.
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Luck Is A Bigger Factor In Cancer Development Than Lifestyle Or Genetics
Though genetic and lifestyle factors can play a significant role in the development of certain cancers, a new study has found that bad luck in mutating stem cells is the biggest risk factor for 2/3 of all cancers overall. The work was performed by Cristian Tomasetti and Bert Vogelstein of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and Johns Hopkins Kimmel Cancer Center, respectively. The paper was published in Science.
“All cancers are caused by a combination of bad luck, the environment and heredity, and we’ve created a model that may help quantify how much of these three factors contribute to cancer development,” Vogelstein said in a press release. “Cancer-free longevity in people exposed to cancer-causing agents, such as tobacco, is often attributed to their ‘good genes,’ but the truth is that most of them simply had good luck."
This development has some rather striking implications. Improving certain lifestyle factors like weight, tobacco use, or alcohol consumption can certainly contribute to the prevention of some specific cancers, such as lung cancer. However, for other cancers that are more likely to be influenced by unpredictable cell mutations, the lifestyle choices might not make that much of a difference. This could warrant the need to more aggressively pursue ways to identify cancer in the earliest stages, when it can more easily be dealt with.
In order to determine how random mutations influenced the risk of developing cancer, Tomasetti and Vogelstein searched existing studies that quantified the number of cell divisions that stem cells undergo over the course of a lifetime in over 30 different types of tissue. They found a correlation between the total number of times a stem cell will divide in a tissue with the likelihood that the tissue will develop cancer.
This is likely due to the fact that the more times DNA is replicated for cell division, the more likely it becomes that there will be an error and mutations will occur. If the mutation is not edited properly, it will remain in the sequence, adding to other mutations that could be acquired in the future. If this continues, it can lead to cancer. This is the first study to examine the odds of this occurrence quantitatively.
“We found that the types of cancer that had higher risk than predicted by the number of stem cell divisions were precisely the ones you’d expect, including lung cancer, which is linked to smoking; skin cancer, linked to sun exposure; and forms of cancers associated with hereditary syndromes,” says Vogelstein.
Unfortunately, this study does not include some cancers, such as breast cancer and prostate cancer, as previous studies quantifying the number of mutations have not been consistent. This could be clarified by future research. Additionally, the study isn't saying that lifestyle factors aren't important and shouldn't be cause for concern in the prevention of cancer.
“This study shows that you can add to your risk of getting cancers by smoking or other poor lifestyle factors. However, many forms of cancer are due largely to the bad luck of acquiring a mutation in a cancer driver gene regardless of lifestyle and heredity factors. The best way to eradicate these cancers will be through early detection, when they are still curable by surgery,” concludes Vogelstein.
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Going Green in 2015
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Nidifugous: I'm sure pollution isn't the only factor, but a major factor. You can have a genetic predisposition that never materializes unless it is triggered. That is usually the case in diseases that are inherited such as ankylosing spondilitis, for example. Radiation exposure (xrays/CT/contrast injections) are all cumulative until one day, your cells say: oops, time to mutate.
Chlorine depends one the form it's in. Not all forms of Chlorine are toxic. The bit about the pool is that it's not the Chlorine that's in the water that is toxic, but the gas that hovers on the surface of the pool water. That's why you need to vent indoor pools and why you can smell it. It's what you inhale that kills you.
Chlorine depends one the form it's in. Not all forms of Chlorine are toxic. The bit about the pool is that it's not the Chlorine that's in the water that is toxic, but the gas that hovers on the surface of the pool water. That's why you need to vent indoor pools and why you can smell it. It's what you inhale that kills you.
Thanks for the info about the risk of breathing the vapor of the chlorine-water in the swimming pool, however It would be deadly if i do not breath alter getting out of the water
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Cancer was virtually unknown until we first started to burn coal. It might have existed before (the genetic predisposition), but one can have all sorts of predispositions and live just fine - until something triggers a change in the genes.
Now I'm sure I'm not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Finding a cure for cancer has been an ongoing concern and people wonder why a cure hasn't been found yet. Well, it won't be found unless we remove the cause.
... and instead of focusing on removing the culprit, we aggravate matters by continuing to support industry that pollutes the air, the water, the food and everything else we're exposed to.
Since this is the start of the new year, would you please give some thought to the environment, next time you vote or shop.
Wishing all of you good health this coming year.