Heritage ( Archived) (31)

Jan 25, 2015 9:01 PM CST Heritage
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
This is mostly for people whose maternal and paternal heritage goes in different geographical directions.

Let's say your mom is from one country or region and your father from another. With which line to you identify to determine your heritage?

Or do you not trace your heritage by geography, but identify with the history and tradition of the town/village/region where you were born?

Or perhaps you have a different standard? or perhaps you don't care who your ancestors were?

I'm just curious how you choose. There's no wrong or right here, obviously.
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Jan 25, 2015 9:21 PM CST Heritage
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
Nidifugous: This is mostly for people whose maternal and paternal heritage goes in different geographical directions.

Let's say your mom is from one country or region and your father from another. With which line to you identify to determine your heritage?

Or do you not trace your heritage by geography, but identify with the history and tradition of the town/village/region where you were born?

Or perhaps you have a different standard? or perhaps you don't care who your ancestors were?

I'm just curious how you choose. There's no wrong or right here, obviously.


This is a tough call for me because although I was born in Toronto, Ontario, I feel drawn to the heritage of the countries my biological parents were born in which is Ireland and England.
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Jan 25, 2015 9:32 PM CST Heritage
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
2intrigued: This is a tough call for me because although I was born in Toronto, Ontario, I feel drawn to the heritage of the countries my biological parents were born in which is Ireland and England.


Yes it's a tough one. Mine goes to Lithuania on one side and the German/French border region on the other. They were very different tribes in the old age.

I'm just reading up on the ancient history, so I thought I'd ask how you guys here feel about it.

Do you think it's important to know your ancestry?
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Jan 25, 2015 9:43 PM CST Heritage
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
Nidifugous: Yes it's a tough one. Mine goes to Lithuania on one side and the German/French border region on the other. They were very different tribes in the old age.

I'm just reading up on the ancient history, so I thought I'd ask how you guys here feel about it.

Do you think it's important to know your ancestry?


I think it's awesome to be able to discover our history and with the internet, it's so much easier to gain this knowledge. It's probably more important on a personal level more than anything else.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:01 PM CST Heritage
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
My mothers side was from Canada France and beyond.

My fathers side was from Canada to France.Some of ancestry were Scottish too.

I spent more time tracing my dad's side then my moms cause he and his brother were adopted by an Native Chief and his the Chiefs sister.My mothers side was pretty much a piece of cake.

I was 9 yrs old when my father had died of a sudden death in a car wreck so I was never able to learn about his ancestry.

But I did have a chance though to meet some of my mothers older brothers and sisters.

I found out that Native American ancestry is a lot tougher to trace.

I began tracing both my parents ancestry back in 1999 and it took me until 2008 to locate a divorce degree on my dad's birth mother.

My mother's ancestry was more French/Canadian and my fathers was more Native American.Since he and his brother had been adopted by Native Americans they both took on the blood quantum of their adopted parents.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:09 PM CST Heritage
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
2intrigued: I think it's awesome to be able to discover our history and with the internet, it's so much easier to gain this knowledge. It's probably more important on a personal level more than anything else.


Oh of course, it's totally personal. At some point I want to put together an ancestry tree for my son. Next time I'm on the other side of the pond, I'll see that I make a few trips and take pictures and look at the records myself so far as they're available. It'll be a nice project. :-)
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Jan 25, 2015 10:15 PM CST Heritage
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
Ccincy: My mothers side was from Canada France and beyond.

My fathers side was from Canada to France.Some of ancestry were Scottish too.

I spent more time tracing my dad's side then my moms cause he and his brother were adopted by an Native Chief and his the Chiefs sister.My mothers side was pretty much a piece of cake.

I was 9 yrs old when my father had died of a sudden death in a car wreck so I was never able to learn about his ancestry.

But I did have a chance though to meet some of my mothers older brothers and sisters.

I found out that Native American ancestry is a lot tougher to trace.

I began tracing both my parents ancestry back in 1999 and it took me until 2008 to locate a divorce degree on my dad's birth mother.

My mother's ancestry was more French/Canadian and my fathers was more Native American.Since he and his brother had been adopted by Native Americans they both took on the blood quantum of their adopted parents.


How interesting, esp. the native American part. What does it mean when you say they both took on the blood quantum of their adopted parents?

So sad to hear your dad passed so young. I did find a few distant relatives in the US on my mother's side, but they're no help in terms of ancestry. My cousin did some work through the ancestry website and actually met several of the maternal relatives. I haven't yet because I'm over here laugh

Do you plan to look into your mom's French-Canadian side?
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Jan 25, 2015 10:20 PM CST Heritage
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
Nidifugous: Oh of course, it's totally personal. At some point I want to put together an ancestry tree for my son. Next time I'm on the other side of the pond, I'll see that I make a few trips and take pictures and look at the records myself so far as they're available. It'll be a nice project. :-)


I think your son will appreciate that very much especially when he gets older. I have limited information on my biological parents and am not able to find anything on either of them but it would be nice to travel to Ireland or England to do a bit of record digging.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:26 PM CST Heritage
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Nidifugous: How interesting, esp. the native American part. What does it mean when you say they both took on the blood quantum of their adopted parents?

So sad to hear your dad passed so young. I did find a few distant relatives in the US on my mother's side, but they're no help in terms of ancestry. My cousin did some work through the ancestry website and actually met several of the maternal relatives. I haven't yet because I'm over here

Do you plan to look into your mom's French-Canadian side?




What I meant by blood quantum is how much percent whether it be 1/2,1/4 etc of each adopted parent way back to their parents on the Indian rolls.That was how the US government figured how much blood Native someone had.They did it that way on purpose as a way to do Indian people out of allotted land etc.They also received monies every so often for each family member.I guess you could call it a form of Welfare payment.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:33 PM CST Heritage
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
OOPs nid I've already traced my mother's French-Candian side back in 1999.


My fathers was the toughest of both.I also had the help of a lady who worked at the Bureau of Indian Affairs who I found out was also a cousin of mine who helped we trace my fathers side and provided me with documents of each adopted parent and Native American Census Records. Both adopted parents had Native first names.I sure had my work cut out for me.
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Jan 25, 2015 11:15 PM CST Heritage
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
2intrigued: I think your son will appreciate that very much especially when he gets older. I have limited information on my biological parents and am not able to find anything on either of them but it would be nice to travel to Ireland or England to do a bit of record digging.


That would be great. The trip isn't all that long if you hit Ireland first. The Euro is slipping, so it shouldn't be too terribly expensive in Eire. England's a different story laugh
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Jan 25, 2015 11:19 PM CST Heritage
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
Ccincy: OOPs nid I've already traced my mother's French-Candian side back in 1999.My fathers was the toughest of both.I also had the help of a lady who worked at the Bureau of Indian Affairs who I found out was also a cousin of mine who helped we trace my fathers side and provided me with documents of each adopted parent and Native American Census Records. Both adopted parents had Native first names.I sure had my work cut out for me.


Thanks for the explanation in the earlier post. I didn't know that that's what the gvmt did back in the day. Horrible practice.

You were really lucky to have found that lady to help you and yeah, I can imagine what a research nightmare it is to go through census records for Native Americans.

How many generations back were you able to trace?
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Jan 25, 2015 11:31 PM CST Heritage
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Nidifugous: Thanks for the explanation in the earlier post. I didn't know that that's what the gvmt did back in the day. Horrible practice.

You were really lucky to have found that lady to help you and yeah, I can imagine what a research nightmare it is to go through census records for Native Americans.

How many generations back were you able to trace?



I believe on my fathers side maybe 20.On my mothers lots more.I've passed all my family history onto my son.
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Jan 25, 2015 11:40 PM CST Heritage
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
I think I go more by culture, traditions, mannerisms and funny ways.

I like my mixed heritage a lot.

There's some good stories, as well. laugh
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Jan 26, 2015 1:19 AM CST Heritage
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I think I go more by culture, traditions, mannerisms and funny ways.

I like my mixed heritage a lot.

There's some good stories, as well.


Any you can post? Are you writing them down for your kids?
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Jan 26, 2015 1:35 AM CST Heritage
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
You national heritage,where you are born,is first,then your parents geographical heritage,if both born in the same country,or each one of your parents,in a different one.-
Nidifugous: This is mostly for people whose maternal and paternal heritage goes in different geographical directions.

Let's say your mom is from one country or region and your father from another. With which line to you identify to determine your heritage?

Or do you not trace your heritage by geography, but identify with the history and tradition of the town/village/region where you were born?

Or perhaps you have a different standard? or perhaps you don't care who your ancestors were?

I'm just curious how you choose. There's no wrong or right here, obviously.
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Jan 26, 2015 1:48 AM CST Heritage
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
chris27292729: You national heritage,where you are born,is first,then your parents geographical heritage,if both born in the same country,or each one of your parents,in a different one.-


That's an interesting viewpoint. It just reminded me of the many children of immigrants who identify strongly with the nationality of their parents, rather than where they are born.
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Jan 26, 2015 2:47 AM CST Heritage
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Nidifugous: Any you can post? Are you writing them down for your kids?

I tell these stories to my daughter and granndaughter aurally, as my mother did.

My mum and dad met when my dad did his National Service over in Germany. He kept going into the shop where my mum worked and buying birthday cards. All he'd say was, "Für meine Schwester." and grin inanely at her.

My mother was the youngest of nine, but even she was a little taken aback by how many sisters he had. shock

(He only has three sisters, btw.)

Anyway, they began courting which involved some incidents where my dad hid behind a bush because her boyfriend went past and she hid under the soldiers legs in the back of the truck to illicitly sneak into the off-camp cinema. I was shocked when I heard about those shenanigans, I can tell you. Most unseemly things for parents to do. snooty

When my dad finished his posting, she went over to England for a three week holiday, but the only way they could stay together was by getting married.

As they didn't speak the same language, they requested the wedding mass was said in Latin. It had just gone out of vogue to make mass more accessible to the general English speaking population, so the priest refused. You might find an irony in there somewhere, but I suspect the refusal had more to do with prejudice than anything else. It was 12 years after the end of the war, my mum is German and they had her marked down as a Jew from day one. They didn't like the likes of her infiltrating their Catholic church, even though her father was Polish Catholic and she had been raised Catholic.

Anyway, as my mum didn't understand any of the mass, my dad had to elbow her in the ribs when it was time for her to say, "I do!"

They've been married for nearly 60 years now, so the moral of this tale is...internet dating (they used an ink pen in those days) and travelling overseas for love has been going on for a while now, quite happily.

tip hat
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Jan 26, 2015 3:10 AM CST Heritage
arapaho
arapahoarapahobrisbane, Queensland Australia3 Threads 678 Posts
Ancestry on my mums side is almost pure Irish gong back to about 1820
dads is English with a few Irish in there,
grew up in Yorkshire England so think of our self's as English
true Yorkshire puddings,
but now live in Australia,
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Jan 26, 2015 3:27 AM CST Heritage
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
Nidifugous: This is mostly for people whose maternal and paternal heritage goes in different geographical directions.

Let's say your mom is from one country or region and your father from another. With which line to you identify to determine your heritage?

Or do you not trace your heritage by geography, but identify with the history and tradition of the town/village/region where you were born?

Or perhaps you have a different standard? or perhaps you don't care who your ancestors were?

I'm just curious how you choose. There's no wrong or right here, obviously.


My parents have the same heritage and a similar background and the way our schooling system worked, we were very much aware of our history.

Living in another country makes me notice some differences in culture in some instances, but it's also the case that I chose my friends and surroundings completely on my own. conversing
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