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wash2u: Pakistan as a country was established around 1948 when "India" achieved Independance....okay, there was some partition from the Raj/British Rule being India and Pakistan.
Pakistan was divided into East & West due to geographical circumstances. East Pakistan is now known as Bangladesh and West Pakistan is simply Pakistan nowadays.
Imran Khan is (I understand) a decendant of Ghengis Khan or maybe one of his close relos. "Afghani" and "Pakistani" are terms relating to a country, not a people. A bit like saying all Indian, Chinese or ex-USSR peoples are the same because of the generalised Counctry name but when you consider that that they are countries within countries and then peoples separate, there are differences.
Just try telling a Scot he is a Pomme.
Pakistan was divided into East & West due to geographical circumstances. East Pakistan is now known as Bangladesh and West Pakistan is simply Pakistan nowadays.
Imran Khan is (I understand) a decendant of Ghengis Khan or maybe one of his close relos. "Afghani" and "Pakistani" are terms relating to a country, not a people. A bit like saying all Indian, Chinese or ex-USSR peoples are the same because of the generalised Counctry name but when you consider that that they are countries within countries and then peoples separate, there are differences.
Just try telling a Scot he is a Pomme.
Pakistan, to my understanding, was created as a 'destination' for Indian Muslims, a separate state for those who did not subscribe to Hindu traditions and beliefs .. and I presume this may have led to their acceptance of Afghani refugees who are predominantly Muslim.
However, the impetus behind my post was driven by my search for understanding re the commonly held belief that countries and territories 'belong' to those who reside there, while those who seek asylum can go elsewhere.
Nimby
serene56: Pakistan, to my understanding, was created as a 'destination' for Indian Muslims, a separate state for those who did not subscribe to Hindu traditions and beliefs .. and I presume this may have led to their acceptance of Afghani refugees who are predominantly Muslim.
However, the impetus behind my post was driven by my search for understanding re the commonly held belief that countries and territories 'belong' to those who reside there, while those who seek asylum can go elsewhere.
Nimby
However, the impetus behind my post was driven by my search for understanding re the commonly held belief that countries and territories 'belong' to those who reside there, while those who seek asylum can go elsewhere.
Nimby
Funny how when one views history, the national borders of many peoples were vastly different. It was with the conquests of wars that borders have been redrawn. Many conflicts can be seen in this context of peoples spilling over borders into what was traditional borders of their lands.
Asylum seekers have been welcome in just about every kingdom and nation in history. There has always been the natural view of the invitees who accept asylum seekers that they will adopt the host nation's laws and not make trouble with respect to the differences in beliefs.
From my little study into historical territories, "belonging" is something that is spiritual and not national. Just an observation of history....
JMO.
Halv0: Funny how when one views history, the national borders of many peoples were vastly different. It was with the conquests of wars that borders have been redrawn. Many conflicts can be seen in this context of peoples spilling over borders into what was traditional borders of their lands.
Asylum seekers have been welcome in just about every kingdom and nation in history. There has always been the natural view of the invitees who accept asylum seekers that they will adopt the host nation's laws and not make trouble with respect to the differences in beliefs.
From my little study into historical territories, "belonging" is something that is spiritual and not national. Just an observation of history....
JMO.
Asylum seekers have been welcome in just about every kingdom and nation in history. There has always been the natural view of the invitees who accept asylum seekers that they will adopt the host nation's laws and not make trouble with respect to the differences in beliefs.
From my little study into historical territories, "belonging" is something that is spiritual and not national. Just an observation of history....
JMO.
It's a slippery slope Halv0, and in terms of your comment re invitees adopting a nation's laws, there is also historical evidence of nations adopting the customs and prejudices of their invaders (for want of a better word)
Eg. India
The British habituation/colonization of India back in the day promoted a class society which prevailed long after their departure
Their influence, and hegemony, was not something that could be viewed as positive given the already well-placed caste society that is/was India as a nation ...
my two bits worth
Ghengis Khan was a Mongolian who installed Buddhism over the old Bon belief in Tibet.
India and Afghanistan ways back were both Buddhist countries until like the peaceful harmonious lying mass murdering Han Chinese murdered, tortured and or inflicted pain and suffering upon millions of Tibetans and still occupy Tibet today.
When Muslims invaded Afghanistan and India they chopped the heads off every Buddhist they could find, they burnt there scriptures and just like the Chinese, plundered and destroyed most of the Buddhist Temples.
Fairly recently the Taliban blew up the big rock statues or faces of Buddha in Afghanistan.
Pre-islam, Indonesia was also a seat of Buddhism.
Lord Atisha, the eleventh-century Indian Buddhist scholar and saint, went to Tibet at the invitation of the king of Western Tibet, Atisha had completed his studies prior to travelling to Tibet in Sumatra.
Ghengis Khan was a Mongolian who installed Buddhism over the old Bon belief in Tibet.
India and Afghanistan ways back were both Buddhist countries until like the peaceful harmonious lying mass murdering Han Chinese murdered, tortured and or inflicted pain and suffering upon millions of Tibetans and still occupy Tibet today.
When Muslims invaded Afghanistan and India they chopped the heads off every Buddhist they could find, they burnt there scriptures and just like the Chinese, plundered and destroyed most of the Buddhist Temples.
Fairly recently the Taliban blew up the big rock statues or faces of Buddha in Afghanistan.
Pre-islam, Indonesia was also a seat of Buddhism.
Lord Atisha, the eleventh-century Indian Buddhist scholar and saint, went to Tibet at the invitation of the king of Western Tibet, Atisha had completed his studies prior to travelling to Tibet in Sumatra.
robplum: my two bits worth
Ghengis Khan was a Mongolian who installed Buddhism over the old Bon belief in Tibet.
India and Afghanistan ways back were both Buddhist countries until like the peaceful harmonious lying mass murdering Han Chinese murdered, tortured and or inflicted pain and suffering upon millions of Tibetans and still occupy Tibet today.
When Muslims invaded Afghanistan and India they chopped the heads off every Buddhist they could find, they burnt there scriptures and just like the Chinese, plundered and destroyed most of the Buddhist Temples.
Fairly recently the Taliban blew up the big rock statues or faces of Buddha in Afghanistan.
Pre-islam, Indonesia was also a seat of Buddhism.
Lord Atisha, the eleventh-century Indian Buddhist scholar and saint, went to Tibet at the invitation of the king of Western Tibet, Atisha had completed his studies prior to travelling to Tibet in Sumatra.
Ghengis Khan was a Mongolian who installed Buddhism over the old Bon belief in Tibet.
India and Afghanistan ways back were both Buddhist countries until like the peaceful harmonious lying mass murdering Han Chinese murdered, tortured and or inflicted pain and suffering upon millions of Tibetans and still occupy Tibet today.
When Muslims invaded Afghanistan and India they chopped the heads off every Buddhist they could find, they burnt there scriptures and just like the Chinese, plundered and destroyed most of the Buddhist Temples.
Fairly recently the Taliban blew up the big rock statues or faces of Buddha in Afghanistan.
Pre-islam, Indonesia was also a seat of Buddhism.
Lord Atisha, the eleventh-century Indian Buddhist scholar and saint, went to Tibet at the invitation of the king of Western Tibet, Atisha had completed his studies prior to travelling to Tibet in Sumatra.
My understanding of the history of Ghengis Khan is that he did not hold with any belief other than family then clan. Afghanistan was a Muslim country when he first attacked the Middle East and later his descendants finally conquered much of the countries.
Oddly enough, he did not interupt the conquered nations religeous beliefs.
robplum: my two bits worth
Ghengis Khan was a Mongolian who installed Buddhism over the old Bon belief in Tibet.
India and Afghanistan ways back were both Buddhist countries until like the peaceful harmonious lying mass murdering Han Chinese murdered, tortured and or inflicted pain and suffering upon millions of Tibetans and still occupy Tibet today.
When Muslims invaded Afghanistan and India they chopped the heads off every Buddhist they could find, they burnt there scriptures and just like the Chinese, plundered and destroyed most of the Buddhist Temples.
Fairly recently the Taliban blew up the big rock statues or faces of Buddha in Afghanistan.
Pre-islam, Indonesia was also a seat of Buddhism.
Lord Atisha, the eleventh-century Indian Buddhist scholar and saint, went to Tibet at the invitation of the king of Western Tibet, Atisha had completed his studies prior to travelling to Tibet in Sumatra.
Ghengis Khan was a Mongolian who installed Buddhism over the old Bon belief in Tibet.
India and Afghanistan ways back were both Buddhist countries until like the peaceful harmonious lying mass murdering Han Chinese murdered, tortured and or inflicted pain and suffering upon millions of Tibetans and still occupy Tibet today.
When Muslims invaded Afghanistan and India they chopped the heads off every Buddhist they could find, they burnt there scriptures and just like the Chinese, plundered and destroyed most of the Buddhist Temples.
Fairly recently the Taliban blew up the big rock statues or faces of Buddha in Afghanistan.
Pre-islam, Indonesia was also a seat of Buddhism.
Lord Atisha, the eleventh-century Indian Buddhist scholar and saint, went to Tibet at the invitation of the king of Western Tibet, Atisha had completed his studies prior to travelling to Tibet in Sumatra.
My understanding of the history of Ghengis Khan is that he did not hold with any belief other than family then clan. Afghanistan was a Muslim country when he first attacked the Middle East and later his descendants finally conquered much of the countries in western Asia.
Oddly enough, he did not interupt the conquered nations religeous beliefs.
yep tangled web...
The following link is probably Chinese proper grander, i think highly likely cause only chinese would write the following:
Chögyal Phagpa returned to Tibet and for the first time made an attempt to impose Sakya hegemony
end of my comment
Prior to the Yuan dynasty, Tibet had previously been invaded by the Mongol Empire, the first invasion was by Prince Köden, grandson of Genghis Khan and son of Ögedei Khan. The second invasion by Möngke Khan resulted in the entire region falling under Mongol rule. Kublai Khan incorporated the region into his later Yuan dynasty, but left the legal system intact. Drogön Chögyal Phagpa, the Sakya lama, became a religious teacher to Kublai, who made him the nominal head of the region.
The two main religious traditions of Tibet are Bon and Buddhism. The former was the native faith of Tibet, while the latter had been introduced by Tibet’s first emperor, Songtsen-gampo (Srong-btsan sgam-po, r. 617 – 649 C.E.). According to traditional Tibetan accounts, there was much rivalry between the two. Modern scholarship, however, presents a more complex situation.
and
Like his predecessors, he and his successors were all buried in Yarlung according to pre-Buddhist, ancient pan-Tibetan rites. Much like Chinggis Khan almost six centuries later, the Tibetan Emperor welcomed not only his native tradition, but a foreign religion as well, namely Buddhism, that
The following link is probably Chinese proper grander, i think highly likely cause only chinese would write the following:
Chögyal Phagpa returned to Tibet and for the first time made an attempt to impose Sakya hegemony
end of my comment
Prior to the Yuan dynasty, Tibet had previously been invaded by the Mongol Empire, the first invasion was by Prince Köden, grandson of Genghis Khan and son of Ögedei Khan. The second invasion by Möngke Khan resulted in the entire region falling under Mongol rule. Kublai Khan incorporated the region into his later Yuan dynasty, but left the legal system intact. Drogön Chögyal Phagpa, the Sakya lama, became a religious teacher to Kublai, who made him the nominal head of the region.
The two main religious traditions of Tibet are Bon and Buddhism. The former was the native faith of Tibet, while the latter had been introduced by Tibet’s first emperor, Songtsen-gampo (Srong-btsan sgam-po, r. 617 – 649 C.E.). According to traditional Tibetan accounts, there was much rivalry between the two. Modern scholarship, however, presents a more complex situation.
and
Like his predecessors, he and his successors were all buried in Yarlung according to pre-Buddhist, ancient pan-Tibetan rites. Much like Chinggis Khan almost six centuries later, the Tibetan Emperor welcomed not only his native tradition, but a foreign religion as well, namely Buddhism, that
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Pakistan as a country was established around 1948 when "India" achieved Independance....okay, there was some partition from the Raj/British Rule being India and Pakistan.
Pakistan was divided into East & West due to geographical circumstances. East Pakistan is now known as Bangladesh and West Pakistan is simply Pakistan nowadays.
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Just try telling a Scot he is a Pomme.