fast food mega giants has remove ham and bacon form some 185 outlets and are now using halal meat .ever wonder how halal meat is prepared at the abattoirs .the throats of the animals are cut while they are fully conscious to me that is very inhumane needlessly cruel! guess muslim and jews are happy!!
Old news and it is not all stores, less than ten percent of the shops use halal meat and there are signs clearly saying so, if you don't like it, eat somewhere else, simple really
From the Guardian, May7th 2014 "Despite recent reports to the contrary, many fast-food and restaurant chains in Britain have been using halal – in Arabic "permissible" or "lawful" – meat for years. Nearly 100 KFC outlets around the country serve halal-approved chicken, as do around 75 – a fifth – of Nando's. The sandwiches served in selected Subway stores have contained halal meat since 2007, while all Pizza Express chicken is halal. Even McDonald's trialled a halal offering, before deciding the changes required to its kitchen procedures would be too great.
Sainsbury's, Tesco and Morrisons, which sell halal ranges at selected stores, and Boots, which sells halal baby food, serve halal meat firstly because people want it: Britain's Muslim population is growing – 3% of the population in the 2001 census, 5% in 2011, and an estimated 8.2%, or around 5.6 million people, by 2030. As KFC puts it: "Feedback from consumers has indicated that there is significant demand for halal food … We've chosen [to serve it] in stores in areas where we expect demand for halal restaurants."
For Pizza Express, as for the major food service companies that supply schools, hospitals and airlines, serving halal chicken across the board simplifies the supply chain and minimises the risk of complaints from customers who may unknowingly eat non-halal meat.
There remains, of course, the risk of complaints from customers who unknowingly eat halal meat – which is why restaurants should make clear, as most do in their windows and on their menus and website, what they are serving. (KFC and Nando's both also say they ensure, when opening a new halal restaurant, that there is a non-halal one nearby.)
There is considerable confusion, however, about exactly what halal meat is. Islamic rules require the animal to be slaughtered while alive and healthy, that the appropriate Islamic blessing be recited, and, crucially, that it be killed by a single, quick cut to the throat and its blood allowed to drain out fully.
That sounds bad. But banner headlines about "ritually slaughtered meat" conceal the fact that, according to a 2012 Food Standards Agency report cited by the RSPCA, 97% of cattle, 96% of poultry and 90% of sheep slaughtered using the halal method in UK abattoirs are stunned before being killed – a procedure that makes them insensible to pain and distress.
That, of course, means that up to 10% of British halal meat may come from animals that have not been slaughtered in a way animal welfare experts consider humane: some stricter Muslims insist stunning is not halal, and some halal authentication bodies – of which there are five in the UK alone – deem it an offence against Qur'anic law and tradition. But the halal meat served by KFC, Nando's, Pizza Express and Subway is certified by bodies that do permit pre-stunning. These chains stress that their suppliers are "contractually obliged" to provide only pre-stunned meat, that all EU and UK legislation has been met, and, in the words of KFC, that "none of our welfare standards have been compromised".
People should, of course, know exactly what they are eating. But they should also know that, in terms of animal welfare, the RSPCA makes no distinction between pre-stunned halal meat and conventionally slaughtered meat. It argues only that consumers should have "the right to choose whether or not they wish to buy meat from animals slaughtered without pre-stunning". The headlines do not always make that clear."
allthegoodnamestLondon, Essex, England UK4,697 posts
Rizlaired.
In my town there were 23 butchers serving pork products 10 years ago . They have all subsequently , disappeared being replaced by halal butchers.. I love pork and have to pop to the supermarket to buy an inferior product. Sign of the times my friend!!!!
In my town there were 23 butchers serving pork products 10 years ago . They have all subsequently , disappeared being replaced by halal butchers.. I love pork and have to pop to the supermarket to buy an inferior product. Sign of the times my friend!!!!
I'm not sure it's due to halal butchers opening, but that supermarkets have priced the real butchers out of existence. Same story in the midlands, but certainly one butcher told me he was taking early retirement as he just couldn't compete with Morrisons that opened just a few yards away. Really sad as his pork and lamb were from local farms and tasted wonderful.
In my town there were 23 butchers serving pork products 10 years ago . They have all subsequently , disappeared being replaced by halal butchers.. I love pork and have to pop to the supermarket to buy an inferior product. Sign of the times my friend!!!![/quote one day sharia laws will take over the west !! for good sad time !
redo416: fast food mega giants has remove ham and bacon form some 185 outlets and are now using halal meat .ever wonder how halal meat is prepared at the abattoirs .the throats of the animals are cut while they are fully conscious to me that is very inhumane needlessly cruel! guess muslim and jews are happy!!
Why wouldn't we allow this? Why wouldn't we grant economies of scale to Halal meat(making it cheaper)and limit economies of scale for non-halal meat(making it more expensive)so that Muslims can thrive at the expense of our own posterity?
There's not a traitor alive who could see anything wrong with this.
allthegoodnamestLondon, Essex, England UK4,697 posts
Rizlared. Don't get me wrong , I do buy the occasional lamb but why should I be limited to just lamb and chicken by halal traders... The occasional pork or beef wouldn't go amiss, besides the last time I checked , this was still England !!
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
redo416: fast food mega giants has remove ham and bacon form some 185 outlets and are now using halal meat .ever wonder how halal meat is prepared at the abattoirs .the throats of the animals are cut while they are fully conscious to me that is very inhumane needlessly cruel! guess muslim and jews are happy!!
Have you ever been (real) to places where animals are killed for human consumption?
Those are not any better than any other form of killing animales.
2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK2,621 posts
redo416: fast food mega giants has remove ham and bacon form some 185 outlets and are now using halal meat .ever wonder how halal meat is prepared at the abattoirs .the throats of the animals are cut while they are fully conscious to me that is very inhumane needlessly cruel! guess muslim and jews are happy!!
You should educate yourself a bit more about the methods of execution.
About 40m cattle, sheep, pigs and calves and 900m poultry birds are killed in British abattoirs each year, according to a Food Standards Agency (FSA) report two years ago, and one estimate has suggested that 114m of these animals, including poultry, are killed using the halal method. The value of the market could be £2bn a year or more.
But contrary to what many assume, most animals killed by halal methods are stunned before slaughter. FSA estimates suggest that 88% of animals in the UK killed by halal methods were stunned beforehand in a way that many Muslims find religiously acceptable.
In many sheep and lambs this is by electronic stunning to the head or in poultry via a water bath electrified with enough power to make them unconscious but not to kill. Another method of stunning that involves cardiac arrest is not allowed under halal rules.
In non-halal slaughterhouses, stunned animals are shackled and hoisted above the ground where a slaughterman "sticks" them, cutting their throat or inserting a chest stick close to the heart. Cattle and some sheep and pigs are stunned by a bolt through the brain before being killed.
Many poultry are now killed using gas. But they have traditionally been shackled, hung upside down on a production line, moved through electrified water to stun them, then conveyed to a mechanical neck cutter. In halal, however, they are killed by hand.
Muslims who oppose any stunning say their method remains the most humane and point out that a number of stunning methods have been banned as being bad for animal welfare.
2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK2,621 posts
rizlared: I'm not sure it's due to halal butchers opening, but that supermarkets have priced the real butchers out of existence. Same story in the midlands, but certainly one butcher told me he was taking early retirement as he just couldn't compete with Morrisons that opened just a few yards away. Really sad as his pork and lamb were from local farms and tasted wonderful.
Pretty much this.
Tesco and the like will quite happily sell their meat at a loss, as they can make the difference up elsewhere in the store. The local butcher can't afford to do that.They buy the meat from local sources, but don't have the luxury of the 'bulk discount' major brands have.
Tesco and the like will quite happily sell their meat at a loss, as they can make the difference up elsewhere in the store. The local butcher can't afford to do that.They buy the meat from local sources, but don't have the luxury of the 'bulk discount' major brands have.
Exactly, I refuse to use any supermarket when back in the UK, there is a local family butcher, who also sells dairy products, I go there but recently he told my dad that he cannot keep going as more and more of his customers are buying from supermarkets, this is in a small town called Malvern, it has two big supermarkets Morrisons and waitrose, now tesco are trying to get planning permission, bribing the local council by saying they will build a sports complex. Its sickening to my mind, more and more city centres are dying as these big shopping malls open on the edge of towns and lazy people don't have to walk far from their car.
But not just the UK, it's happening everywhere sadly. in 30 years there won't be any city centres left
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
2girlsnocup: "Redo" You should educate yourself a bit more about the methods of execution.
It is so evident that some people care not for the animals but they are on their own agenda against people from any other group and/or religion different than “theirs”.
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