Should special ed kids be in the same class with regular and gifted kids? (32)
I'm glad you agree with me
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Tom 
I am sure you would be able to make a front cover of 'people on the move' if you only improve your reading ability...
Good luck with your personal development 
I am sure you would be able to make a front cover of 'people on the move' if you only improve your reading ability...
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LonelyfromAfrica: Tom
I am sure you would be able to make a front cover of 'people on the move' if you only improve your reading ability... Good luck with your personal development
I am sure you would be able to make a front cover of 'people on the move' if you only improve your reading ability... Good luck with your personal development
Good luck with your head injury and disabilies.
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I think this idea is totally wrong.
I had few classmates with different learning disabilities and the stress for them was enormous. We all were very understanding and patient with them but after all we didn't feel good to keep a slower pace of progress. It is not good for both sides...
JMO
I had few classmates with different learning disabilities and the stress for them was enormous. We all were very understanding and patient with them but after all we didn't feel good to keep a slower pace of progress. It is not good for both sides...
JMO
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KremaP: I think this idea is totally wrong.
I had few classmates with different learning disabilities and the stress for them was enormous. We all were very understanding and patient with them but after all we didn't feel good to keep a slower pace of progress. It is not good for both sides...
JMO
I had few classmates with different learning disabilities and the stress for them was enormous. We all were very understanding and patient with them but after all we didn't feel good to keep a slower pace of progress. It is not good for both sides...
JMO
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Yeah, I don't make fun of these things, even if I had to be annoyed...life doesn't give us any guarantees... and we are all naked in a life context where there are influences that are greater than the human being... a character trait for me respecting and valuing this...
By the way if you could read better, understanding what you are reading...you wouldn't even make this comment (if I have to put character aside )...
Never less, no hard feelings...nice bike you have in your pic
tomcatwarne: Good luck with your head injury and disabilies.
Yeah, I don't make fun of these things, even if I had to be annoyed...life doesn't give us any guarantees... and we are all naked in a life context where there are influences that are greater than the human being... a character trait for me respecting and valuing this...
By the way if you could read better, understanding what you are reading...you wouldn't even make this comment (if I have to put character aside
)...Never less, no hard feelings...nice bike you have in your pic
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LonelyfromAfrica: 1
Yeah, I don't make fun of these things, even if I had to be annoyed...life doesn't give us any guarantees... and we are all naked in a life context where there are influences that are greater than the human being... a character trait for me respecting and valuing this...
By the way if you could read better, understanding what you are reading...you wouldn't even make this comment (if I have to put character aside )...
Never less, no hard feelings...nice bike you have in your pic
Yeah, I don't make fun of these things, even if I had to be annoyed...life doesn't give us any guarantees... and we are all naked in a life context where there are influences that are greater than the human being... a character trait for me respecting and valuing this...
By the way if you could read better, understanding what you are reading...you wouldn't even make this comment (if I have to put character aside )...
Never less, no hard feelings...nice bike you have in your pic
Thanks, hope you recover your sensibilities sometime.
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Nidifugous: The state of Hamburg, Germany legislated a new education concept. Just saw a docu on this.
Children with special needs/learning disabilities of varying degree are integrated in the regular classroom. Moreover, kids no longer have to repeat a year if they get failing grades. The docu I watched showed the challenges that this brings to the teachers (showed the actual classroom workings).
I should say that Germany has a three-tiered school system that tracks kids after age 10 and thus pretty much determines the future of the kid. Changes can be made later, but it's hard.
The docu basically showed that this new concept brings down the performance of the entire class because more resources have to be devoted to the special ed kids (time, double tests) and the learning objectives aren't met. Kids with normal or gifted abilities are bored and just slug around, disinterested.
The teachers say that it's a grand idea on paper, but they neither have the time, money and resources to cater to such a great intellectual diversity in the classroom.
Do you think that a combined classroom is the way to go? or should there be separate schools for special ed and separate courses for gifted kids?
Children with special needs/learning disabilities of varying degree are integrated in the regular classroom. Moreover, kids no longer have to repeat a year if they get failing grades. The docu I watched showed the challenges that this brings to the teachers (showed the actual classroom workings).
I should say that Germany has a three-tiered school system that tracks kids after age 10 and thus pretty much determines the future of the kid. Changes can be made later, but it's hard.
The docu basically showed that this new concept brings down the performance of the entire class because more resources have to be devoted to the special ed kids (time, double tests) and the learning objectives aren't met. Kids with normal or gifted abilities are bored and just slug around, disinterested.
The teachers say that it's a grand idea on paper, but they neither have the time, money and resources to cater to such a great intellectual diversity in the classroom.
Do you think that a combined classroom is the way to go? or should there be separate schools for special ed and separate courses for gifted kids?
how cpme you know so much about Germany??
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Nidifugous: The state of Hamburg, Germany legislated a new education concept. Just saw a docu on this.
Children with special needs/learning disabilities of varying degree are integrated in the regular classroom. Moreover, kids no longer have to repeat a year if they get failing grades. The docu I watched showed the challenges that this brings to the teachers (showed the actual classroom workings).
I should say that Germany has a three-tiered school system that tracks kids after age 10 and thus pretty much determines the future of the kid. Changes can be made later, but it's hard.
The docu basically showed that this new concept brings down the performance of the entire class because more resources have to be devoted to the special ed kids (time, double tests) and the learning objectives aren't met. Kids with normal or gifted abilities are bored and just slug around, disinterested.
The teachers say that it's a grand idea on paper, but they neither have the time, money and resources to cater to such a great intellectual diversity in the classroom.
Do you think that a combined classroom is the way to go? or should there be separate schools for special ed and separate courses for gifted kids?
Children with special needs/learning disabilities of varying degree are integrated in the regular classroom. Moreover, kids no longer have to repeat a year if they get failing grades. The docu I watched showed the challenges that this brings to the teachers (showed the actual classroom workings).
I should say that Germany has a three-tiered school system that tracks kids after age 10 and thus pretty much determines the future of the kid. Changes can be made later, but it's hard.
The docu basically showed that this new concept brings down the performance of the entire class because more resources have to be devoted to the special ed kids (time, double tests) and the learning objectives aren't met. Kids with normal or gifted abilities are bored and just slug around, disinterested.
The teachers say that it's a grand idea on paper, but they neither have the time, money and resources to cater to such a great intellectual diversity in the classroom.
Do you think that a combined classroom is the way to go? or should there be separate schools for special ed and separate courses for gifted kids?
That may help explain why Germany is the only Western country not sinking in the chaos of financialisation(despite its EU obligation). If you manage people and guide them into the correct industries then you can balance your economy, but if you allow the talentless, misguided and naive dickheads have the run of the place then your economy defaults on funny money. The more Art, English and Law majors there are the more bankers there are, the more engineers and scientists there are the more wealth-creators there are. Success for the future depends on encouraging kids to choice difficult and unfashionable subjects.
But no you shouldn't mix kids with special needs in with the rest. The wisest thing to have is a remedial tier, a large standard tier, and then a gifted tier.
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Obstinance_Works: That may help explain why Germany is the only Western country not sinking in the chaos of financialisation(despite its EU obligation). If you manage people and guide them into the correct industries then you can balance your economy, but if you allow the talentless, misguided and naive dickheads have the run of the place then your economy defaults on funny money. The more Art, English and Law majors there are the more bankers there are, the more engineers and scientists there are the more wealth-creators there are. Success for the future depends on encouraging kids to choice difficult and unfashionable subjects.
But no you shouldn't mix kids with special needs in with the rest. The wisest thing to have is a remedial tier, a large standard tier, and then a gifted tier.
But no you shouldn't mix kids with special needs in with the rest. The wisest thing to have is a remedial tier, a large standard tier, and then a gifted tier.
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tomcatwarne: Yes, what about the needs of the really bright student, why should they be held back because someone else is unfortunate.
These are the children who will be our scientists and engineers and doctors of the fiture.
Lets drop the political correctness and nurture our bright students like they do in so many eastern countries.
Life is not fair and we are not all equal, so encourage our talent or lose it.
These are the children who will be our scientists and engineers and doctors of the fiture.
Lets drop the political correctness and nurture our bright students like they do in so many eastern countries.
Life is not fair and we are not all equal, so encourage our talent or lose it.
I totally agree. Also, to add chaos to the mayhem, many special education teachers, program managers, and even skill trainers become quite belligerent, sanctimonious, even, in their adamant demands for the students. (They become a brick wall, refusing to listen to any reasonable discussions about it. It's nuts.) I once had to write an extensive incident report about a client. When a management authority received it, he destroyed it and wrote his own. When I questioned him about it, his response was "it was written in such a way as to define (client) in a negative light and possibly cause placement elsewhere. We are dedicated to maintaining our client pool at a status quo the government will accept". There was nothing I could do, this nincompoop had his superiors' support; it was too big for me to oppose. He was, I will add, fired some time later....What a mess this system has become because of the overall B.S.------ This thread is Archived ------
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I'm sorry if you had a head injury which caused you to become disabled.
But this does not alter the fact talent should be rewarded, for the good of society.
Dear Tom
I do not doubt your intelligence, but I do doubt your reading ability... Nowhere in my posting I referred to that our bright children are not our future... point you missed... special whether special intellectual needs, illness, disabled people etc put a strain on every economy and should not be left behind... that's all... Reading and listening skills are essential for displaying your own intelligence