tomcatwarne: That a species similar to humans is on another planet is highly unlikely, is a far more sensible way to have phrased his theory.
Again we have problems, twice actually. The Drake equation, Carl Sagan made it pretty popular here in the US 40 years ago with his TV show. Since then it has been shown many of the variables initially assigned low numbers were needing much higher numbers. There is at least a dozen newly discovered worlds that could potentially hold life now or grow life someday. We now know we even have moons around Saturn and Jupiter that may fit that criteria. Our problem will be recognizing it when we see it.
<There are 4 known criteria for life as we know it here on Earth, but a new species may not follow those rules, or do so in a way we don't perceive.>
If there is water, and an energy source, there may be life. If there is Methane and an energy source there may be life, etc.
There are other variables in the Sagan/Drake formula that can also be tweaked.
We are told theoretically the Universe may be Infinite in size. Infinite, not 13.5 billion light years across, but infinite. Zillions and zillions of light years raised to the millionth power in size and larger than that even because it is infinite an no number can ever measure it.
Everything is patterns and with infinite replication many patterns are repeated over and over. Circles, triangles, square corners, the list goes on. Well when we combine Earth with an infinite Universe, somewhere out there (in a galaxy far, far away, and maybe even long, long, ago, or maybe right now and also all of the above because that falls within infinite possibilities) Earth's pattern has also been done again. Indeed, since they say the Universe is infinite in size, there may be an infinite number of Earth's out there too, and many, many of them both your pattern and my own (and even the girl's patterns) appear again and again, an infinite number of worlds with little Dr. Cox's running around claiming theirs is the only planet with life because he is too far away from the other Earth's just like his to see them (and too narrow minded in his thinking to remember the true meaning of infinite and infinity).
Such is the meaning of infinite.
Many worlds just like this one. Zillions of light years away, with folks just like you and me arguing if we are alone in the Universe, because we see no one next door and forget that it will be eons before we can see what is happening now even in the next arm of our own galaxy.
Ken_19: Why would they want to visit (or even acknowledge out existence) a hateful primitive world like ours? When you vacation do you go off to live with cannibals? I am sure they have much more interesting fun filled places than this rathole to hang out in.
Second part, if they lived only billion light years away (half the current known distance of the universe) from the Earth and a million years ago developed their mighty civilization and a galactic empire (their galaxy, not ours), in only .999 billion years you will notice the heatl, light and other electromagnetic offal of their mighty empire.
All speculation about why we can't see them if they exist now is totally ignoring the slow speed of the light we use to see them with.
Noting also there are several 'galactic lenses' which COULD be caused by dark matter distorting gravitational waves, OR they could be the result of a ship traveling at (or very near) C speed passing between us and the stars we see as being distorted as those ships would have near infinite mass and light waves would bend in their direction and that causes the lensing effect our astronomers observe. So there is your offal, which Cox ignores because he has a preconception belief we are unique and important, but we ain't. We are just more funny bugs under the old carpet as far as the Universe is concerned.
Typo Correction (sorry) "only billion light years away (half the current known distance" should read "only billion light years away (a mere 13th of the current known distance"
Philae comet lander wakes up, says European Space Agency
Seems the sensor has now travelled close enough to the sun to start re-storing energy, this could help scientist get some amazing data if it keeps working.
rizlared: Philae comet lander wakes up, says European Space Agency
Seems the sensor has now travelled close enough to the sun to start re-storing energy, this could help scientist get some amazing data if it keeps working.
tomcatwarne: The biological process which lead to intelligent life on earth was a fluke that is unlikely to have been repeated anywhere else in the universe, claims Professor Brian Cox. The presenter and scientist blames a series of 'evolutionary bottlenecks' for the lack of extraterrestrial life on other planets, despite there being a mind-bogglingly vast number of them in the galaxy.
Humanity miraculously overcame them in a chance binding of two single cells merging somewhere in the mists of time, he said.
'There is only one advanced technological civilisation in this galaxy and there has only ever been one - and that's us. We are unique.
'It's a dizzying thought. There are billions of planets out there, surely there must have been a second genesis?
'But we must be careful because the story of life on this planet shows that the transition from single-celled life to complex life may not have been inevitable.' He made the claims in an episode of BBC's Human Universe, adding that yet another freak occurrence - the meteor which wiped out the dinosaurs - allowed mammals and ultimately humanity to dominate the planet.
On the subject of the genesis of complex life, he added: 'We still struggle to understand how this happened. It's incredibly unusual. 'We're confident this only happened once in the oceans of the primordial earth.Life here did squeeze through.'
Yes, and all the intelligent human life is only found right here in Columbus, Ohio USA ...
Ken_19: I believe there is at least one Goldilocks zone find that is suspected to be watery, and of course that could mean a lot.
Regarding Keppler and his 3rd law, I have never been sure that Tsquared/Rcubed applies to all solar systems. True it is for this one, but I am sure there may be exceptions. Especially if there are gravitational anamolies nearby such as in a binary system.
I was thinking--aren't there some oddities on earth that indicate alien life was here at one time, like, the "ancient airports" that can be seen clearly from hot air balloons, and carbon-dated etchings of what appear to be rockets, etc...in caves in Europe, etc...? I believe there are several books about this. There does seem to be actual evidence, is what I'm saying. Do you know?
Track16: I find it hard to believe that we are the only life in the universe. If it can happen once, it can happen again, no matter how remote the odds are.
mollybaby: I think it would be very arrogant of us to presume we are the only life forms in the universe.
We are a dot in the universe.
It suits us to think that way, as the thought that any other beings may be more intelligent or advanced than us scares us.
They may be already amongst us, the more advanced thinkers and believers.
Or they may know we exist, and think we're not worth bothering about.
Or maybe, due to the vastness of the universe, they may not be aware of our existence either.
Hello Miss Molly but really i'm not talking arrogance i'm talking evidence uncovered so far, personally i think there has to be more out there !!!! and we can't be the only....Fluke.. or however you look at it Well i don't therefore think i'm one of the advanced (i have a headache..) BUT i do think as science becomes more and more...advanced...more questions could be answered, and also more raised Where did the Irish originate that could answer ALOT of things one thing for sure the will ALWAYS be questions
Jun 16, 2015 5:05 AM CST We are the only life in the universe
LeanybeanUKLeeds, West Yorkshire, England UK18 Posts
LeanybeanUKLeeds, West Yorkshire, England UK18 posts
With all due respect to Professor Cox´s academic achievements, ETs are on the moon. That´s why when the astronauts arrived there, they said to them, "Do not come back." That´s why the United States never did any further moon exploration after they conquered the Van Allen Radiation Belt to land on the moon on 1969.
Academia and scientists have been co-opted by the elite. Academia is controlled by the Rockefeller Foundation so likely Professor Cox doesn´t dare state what he really feels or his tenured position would be lost.
The scientific community has suffered murders when they deviate from what the elite want. Look, for example, at microbiologists who have lost their lives for the truths they have uttered. Dr. Harrington was murdered because he tried to make people aware of Planet X (Nibiru) as the elite don´t want us to know about it.
So I am afraid that I must disagree with Professor Cox as intelligent life does exist in the universe. Indeed, they are much more intelligent than we are.
tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
LeanybeanUK: With all due respect to Professor Cox´s academic achievements, ETs are on the moon. That´s why when the astronauts arrived there, they said to them, "Do not come back." That´s why the United States never did any further moon exploration after they conquered the Van Allen Radiation Belt to land on the moon on 1969.
Academia and scientists have been co-opted by the elite. Academia is controlled by the Rockefeller Foundation so likely Professor Cox doesn´t dare state what he really feels or his tenured position would be lost.
The scientific community has suffered murders when they deviate from what the elite want. Look, for example, at microbiologists who have lost their lives for the truths they have uttered. Dr. Harrington was murdered because he tried to make people aware of Planet X (Nibiru) as the elite don´t want us to know about it.
So I am afraid that I must disagree with Professor Cox as intelligent life does exist in the universe. Indeed, they are much more intelligent than we are.
Greetings Earth woman, don't forget to lock your door
tomcatwarne: The arrogance of the Americans, It is not inconceivable we are the only intelligence in the universe in the UK, whre you probably came from.
Show me the evidence there is other life in the universe. you can't.
So you must admit that this possibility is possible(no other life).
That's faulty logic and also highly improbable. Since water has been detected on at least one of the moons on another planet in our own solar system, and there is volcanic energy (heat) there it is highly probable that when we find the money to send a probe there, something alive may be found by the volcanic vents, just like at the bottom of our own oceans by the volcanic vents.
tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Ken_19: That's faulty logic and also highly improbable. Since water has been detected on at least one of the moons on another planet in our own solar system, and there is volcanic energy (heat) there it is highly probable that when we find the money to send a probe there, something alive may be found by the volcanic vents, just like at the bottom of our own oceans by the volcanic vents.
Yes but where is the evidence of other life???????( other than earth.
tomcatwarne: The arrogance of the Americans, It is not inconceivable we are the only intelligence in the universe in the UK, whre you probably came from.
Show me the evidence there is other life in the universe. you can't.
So you must admit that this possibility is possible(no other life).
Oh, wow, I was trying to make light of the fact that the Intelligent Community Forum voted Columbus, Ohio USA the 2015 most intelligent city on this planet.
And according to metro.co.uk "Basically, our (British) towns are all as dumb as a box of hammers."
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Again we have problems, twice actually.
The Drake equation, Carl Sagan made it pretty popular here in the US 40 years ago with his TV show. Since then it has been shown many of the variables initially assigned low numbers were needing much higher numbers. There is at least a dozen newly discovered worlds that could potentially hold life now or grow life someday. We now know we even have moons around Saturn and Jupiter that may fit that criteria. Our problem will be recognizing it when we see it.
<There are 4 known criteria for life as we know it here on Earth, but a new species may not follow those rules, or do so in a way we don't perceive.>
If there is water, and an energy source, there may be life. If there is Methane and an energy source there may be life, etc.
There are other variables in the Sagan/Drake formula that can also be tweaked.
We are told theoretically the Universe may be Infinite in size. Infinite, not 13.5 billion light years across, but infinite. Zillions and zillions of light years raised to the millionth power in size and larger than that even because it is infinite an no number can ever measure it.
Everything is patterns and with infinite replication many patterns are repeated over and over. Circles, triangles, square corners, the list goes on. Well when we combine Earth with an infinite Universe, somewhere out there (in a galaxy far, far away, and maybe even long, long, ago, or maybe right now and also all of the above because that falls within infinite possibilities) Earth's pattern has also been done again. Indeed, since they say the Universe is infinite in size, there may be an infinite number of Earth's out there too, and many, many of them both your pattern and my own (and even the girl's patterns) appear again and again, an infinite number of worlds with little Dr. Cox's running around claiming theirs is the only planet with life because he is too far away from the other Earth's just like his to see them (and too narrow minded in his thinking to remember the true meaning of infinite and infinity).
Such is the meaning of infinite.
Many worlds just like this one. Zillions of light years away, with folks just like you and me arguing if we are alone in the Universe, because we see no one next door and forget that it will be eons before we can see what is happening now even in the next arm of our own galaxy.