Animal Welfare (18)

Aug 5, 2015 5:37 PM CST Animal Welfare
RTE Primetime 23/7/15 2nd half of the program at 16 minute mark onwards deals with horses racing on public roads, the injuries some of those horses receive and what happens to them. If you watch it, have watched it or have an opinion on it you might reply.

I found the plight of some of the horses upsetting and I think it's a national disgrace the way some horses are treated in this country.
Aug 5, 2015 5:53 PM CST Animal Welfare
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
BentlyBoy: RTE Primetime 23/7/15 2nd half of the program at 16 minute mark onwards deals with horses racing on public roads, the injuries some of those horses receive and what happens to them. If you watch it, have watched it or have an opinion on it you might reply.

I found the plight of some of the horses upsetting and I think it's a national disgrace the way some horses are treated in this country.



Many animals are badly treated in Ireland.

Just visit any animal shelter, and you will see the results.

We need harsher, enforceable laws,and a change of attitude.
Aug 5, 2015 6:10 PM CST Animal Welfare
mollybaby: Many animals are badly treated in Ireland.

Just visit any animal shelter, and you will see the results.

We need harsher, enforceable laws,and a change of attitude.


Thanks Molly, animal shelters do highlight the way some animals have been treated.

One part of the problem imo is that some groups kick up such a stink when their culture or way of making money from betting is threatened that it makes enforcing laws more onerous and off-putting to do.

Greyhounds are also treated abysmally and are often abandoned when they are no longer useful to their owners. Animal shelters have a disproportionate number of greyhounds to their popularity among the general population. They are used for racing and betting by many.

Animals are used by many for their enjoyment but sometimes people have no concern for the animals and they are seen as things to be used, not animals to be respected and cared for, a true sign of decency and humanity.
Aug 5, 2015 6:14 PM CST Animal Welfare
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
BentlyBoy: RTE Primetime 23/7/15 2nd half of the program at 16 minute mark onwards deals with horses racing on public roads, the injuries some of those horses receive and what happens to them. If you watch it, have watched it or have an opinion on it you might reply.

I found the plight of some of the horses upsetting and I think it's a national disgrace the way some horses are treated in this country.


Horses need special care and attention. keeping horses on green areas in Urban areas in cities is no way to keep an animal. Smithfield market was exposed as an avenue for animal cruelty in Dublin.

Maybe it would be an idea to employ members of the travelling community to educate urban dwelling Dublin people, and other city folk about how to look after horses.thumbs up
Aug 5, 2015 6:21 PM CST Animal Welfare
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
BentlyBoy: Thanks Molly, animal shelters do highlight the way some animals have been treated.

One part of the problem imo is that some groups kick up such a stink when their culture or way of making money from betting is threatened that it makes enforcing laws more onerous and off-putting to do.

Greyhounds are also treated abysmally and are often abandoned when they are no longer useful to their owners. Animal shelters have a disproportionate number of greyhounds to their popularity among the general population. They are used for racing and betting by many.

Animals are used by many for their enjoyment but sometimes people have no concern for the animals and they are seen as things to be used, not animals to be respected and cared for, a true sign of decency and humanity.



I am presently fostering a lurcher. She is a sweetheart smitten
She is about 3/4 greyhound, and some other unknown randy doglaugh


I also have a rescue Staffie who is adorable.

It is not onky any one section of the community mistreat and dump dogs.

Holiday time is a busy time in the shelters as people who go abroad on their holidays dump their dogs rather than paying boarding fees.
Aug 5, 2015 6:24 PM CST Animal Welfare
stanley8m: Horses need special care and attention. keeping horses on green areas in Urban areas in cities is no way to keep an animal. Smithfield market was exposed as an avenue for animal cruelty in Dublin.

Maybe it would be an idea to employ members of the travelling community to educate urban dwelling Dublin people, and other city folk about how to look after horses.


You have a sense of humour Stanley but after you look at rte 2nd half of primetime 23/7/15 the joke will be on you. Look at that program instead of giving opinion, try dealing in facts which are shown on that program and then you might change your mind about what you just wrote. Open your mind to facts and reality and watch the 2nd half of primetime 23/7/15 from 16 minutes onwards on rte player. Facts and reality not opinion Stanley, try that for a change.
Aug 5, 2015 6:33 PM CST Animal Welfare
mollybaby: I am presently fostering a lurcher. She is a sweetheart
She is about 3/4 greyhound, and some other unknown randy dog I also have a rescue Staffie who is adorable.

It is not onky any one section of the community mistreat and dump dogs.

Holiday time is a busy time in the shelters as people who go abroad on their holidays dump their dogs rather than paying boarding fees.


Well done for fostering the lurcher and owning or looking after a rescue Staffie.

Lurchers are dogs which are part greyhound and part other dog and there are a lot of them around animal shelters. There is also a disproportionate amount of staffordshire bull terriers in shelters also.

The people who work in and volunteer their time in shelters deserve our respect and thanks for looking after animals who need help and protection from humans with no empathy for the animals they possess.

Those who foster animals also deserve our thanks, so thanks Molly !!!
Aug 6, 2015 5:07 AM CST Animal Welfare
OK Stanley as you probably will not watch the 2nd half of the Primetime program 23/7/15 on rte player and come back and be honest as the reality of the way some travellers treat some horses is in complete conflict with what you wrote earlier and with your liberal left wing ideological nonsense. I will mention some of the things on that program.

There are upsetting pictures of horses abandoned after being injured from sulky racing.

One horse was described by the ISPCA representative as having it's face pulled off, there were pictures of horrific injuries, cuts and lumps gone out of bones etc.

There is betting on the outcome of sulky racing by travellers and when a horse is trained and raced as fast as it can go on hard public roads a horse's bones and muscles are not able to take that pounding, leading to injuries and pain for the horses.

Sometimes accidents happen and horses are abandoned with injuries.

The emphasis is on winning races and bets, not loving and caring in a nurturing way for the horse.

The horses look terrified during these sulky races with cars surrounding them to watch the race as they are forced to run fast on hard public roads their bodies were not meant for.

Any person who watches that program and sees the injuries the horses have sustained and then being abandoned after getting injured, can make up their own mind about whether some travellers should be let near horses again.

It's about time people cared about animals who are suffering instead of dated, out of touch with reality, clichéd liberal left wing nonsense which has been knocking around without being challenged for far too long.
Aug 6, 2015 5:10 AM CST Animal Welfare
OK Stanley as you probably will not watch the 2nd half of the Primetime program 23/7/15 on rte player and come back and be honest as the reality of the way some travellers treat some horses is in complete conflict with what you wrote earlier and with your liberal left wing ideological nonsense. I will mention some of the things on that program.

There are upsetting pictures of horses abandoned after being injured from sulky racing.

One horse was described by the ISPCA representative as having it's face pulled off, there were pictures of horrific injuries, cuts and lumps gone out of bones etc.

There is betting on the outcome of sulky racing by travellers and when a horse is trained and raced as fast as it can go on hard public roads a horse's bones and muscles are not able to take that pounding, leading to injuries and pain for the horses.

Sometimes accidents happen and horses are abandoned with injuries.

The emphasis is on winning races and bets, not loving and caring in a nurturing way for the horse.

The horses look terrified during these sulky races with cars surrounding them to watch the race as they are forced to run fast on hard public roads their bodies were not meant for.

Any person who watches that program and sees the injuries the horses have sustained and then being abandoned after getting injured, can make up their own mind about whether some travellers should be let near horses again.

It's about time people cared about animals who are suffering instead of dated, out of touch with reality, clichéd liberal left wing nonsense which has been knocking around without being challenged for far too long.
Aug 6, 2015 5:27 AM CST Animal Welfare
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
Pop over to the apartheid thread and check out the images of cruelty inflicted on horses by members of the settled community Bentley.

A debate should be balanced and unbiased, and not prejudiced like your anti traveller stance. cheers
Aug 6, 2015 5:29 AM CST Animal Welfare
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts


There you go, have a read and educate yourself about animal cruelty in an urban setting by non travellers. cheers
Aug 6, 2015 5:34 AM CST Animal Welfare
annaroach
annaroachannaroachLimerick, Ireland217 Threads 6,747 Posts
To be fair to all, and have a balance.
There are good and bad ,on both sides,
It will always be the case.
Settled people and travellers, have good and bad among them.
Hopefully anyone decent, would report any cruelty seen, ASAP
Then let the powers that be deal with it properly

On a seperate note, i think that the law in this country is too lenient.
on every case, no deterring punishment.
Aug 6, 2015 5:51 AM CST Animal Welfare
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
stanley8m: Horses need special care and attention. keeping horses on green areas in Urban areas in cities is no way to keep an animal. Smithfield market was exposed as an avenue for animal cruelty in Dublin.

Maybe it would be an idea to employ members of the travelling community to educate urban dwelling Dublin people, and other city folk about how to look after horses.


That's a wide sweeping derogatory statement
Against urban dwelling horse owners, there
Are scumbags around the city that treat their
Horses shockingly but the majority have community
Stables and their horses mean the world to
Them, I've walked through Smithfield horse
Fair and I've seen the one at ballinasloe, the
Majority of punters are travellers and the treatment
And stress the horses receive was dispicable.

Sure wasn't it only two years ago they were chopping
Parts off each other with machetes at Smithfield
That wasn't the settled community
Aug 6, 2015 6:05 AM CST Animal Welfare
stanley8m: Pop over to the apartheid thread and check out the images of cruelty inflicted on horses by members of the settled community Bentley.

A debate should be balanced and unbiased, and not prejudiced like your anti traveller stance.


Stanley, I have lived in the real world all my life. I am well aware of how people treat horses.

Are you implying that it's ok for some travellers to mistreat horses or that we should all just ignore the way some travellers mistreat horses as members of the settled community do it also?

Are you capable of admitting that some travellers mistreat horses and more should be done to stop that?

You are the one who is prejudiced in favour of your pro-traveller stance as shown by your reference on your own thread to me that the purpose of your thread was to show how travellers face prejudice, you actually appeared to reprimand me for saying anything which went against your biased pro traveller liberal left wing agenda.

I care about animals and don't want to see them suffer. You care about travellers and are doing your best to avoid admitting some travellers mistreat horses.
Aug 6, 2015 6:15 AM CST Animal Welfare
stanley8m: http://www.dspca.ie/equinecrisis

There you go, have a read and educate yourself about animal cruelty in an urban setting by non travellers.


I am a very well educated person Stanley and I am well aware of how some people of all communities mistreat horses so save your comment about education for yourself and watch the program I mentioned previously, you might learn something you don't want to as it conflicts with your dated liberal left wing pro traveller agenda.

In that programme the ISPCA show pictures of injuries sustained by horses owned by some travellers. It's you who needs educating about reality.
Aug 6, 2015 7:06 AM CST Animal Welfare
annaroach: To be fair to all, and have a balance.
There are good and bad ,on both sides,
It will always be the case.
Settled people and travellers, have good and bad among them.
Hopefully anyone decent, would report any cruelty seen, ASAP
Then let the powers that be deal with it properly

On a seperate note, i think that the law in this country is too lenient.
on every case, no deterring punishment.


That's simply not true Anna as the level of criminal behaviour is far higher in the Traveller community than in the settled one. In fact it's vastly higher.
Aug 6, 2015 11:52 AM CST Animal Welfare
Aug 6, 2015 5:08 PM CST Animal Welfare
Yeats1980
Yeats1980Yeats1980Galway, Ireland2 Threads 1 Polls 218 Posts
BentlyBoy: One part of the problem imo is that some groups kick up such a stink when their culture or way of making money from betting is threatened that it makes enforcing laws more onerous and off-putting to do.


I have to agree with Stanley...you are having a go at the traveling community here...People from all walks of life are responsible for animal cruelty...

BentlyBoy: Animals are used by many for their enjoyment but sometimes people have no concern for the animals and they are seen as things to be used, not animals to be respected and cared for, a true sign of decency and humanity.


You could say the same thing about humans and how we relate to each other...
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