California and the drought (25)
scon1916: Are there any people here who can tell me how severe the drought is? Any Californians on here who can give first-hand accounts?
I'm just curious and a tad worried.
Here in Vietnam it looks like they're going to lose a lot of the Mekong Delta (Vietnam's biggest food-producing area). California produces 25% of US food or used to.
Are those folk in Washington preparing whole or half-heartedly for what's to come?
I'm just curious and a tad worried.
Here in Vietnam it looks like they're going to lose a lot of the Mekong Delta (Vietnam's biggest food-producing area). California produces 25% of US food or used to.
Are those folk in Washington preparing whole or half-heartedly for what's to come?
scon,,
a good OP ,, i posted one to this topic, under the "CS Lounge" -CLOUD SEEDING and Drought , , , , here's a part of it!!!
@While California is suffering to it's 4th year consecutive of severe drought China is producing 55 billion tons of artificial rainfall, spending 150$ million against America's 15$ million.
China's program would reach up quintuple of it's present production in the years to come. China is using military aircraft in launching chemicals into the clouds.
France is very dry too,, as well as Germany and some other eastern european countries,,, Portugal is in flame with it's 3000 hectares pine forests.
What could be the possible effect on the environment of such practice and why does America has limited it's production when in fact it's badly needed in California ?
And some middle east countries are using such procedure thus increasing their potential increase on crops/food production.
Share your know how on this ,,,
In FRANCE, summer was very dry too, not enough rains, resulting to water restriction measures, crop productions were limited,, now it's autumn here,, and it's flooding !!!
Paris will be hosting the environmental conference this Nov.-Dec. we will see what this leaders would have agreed about claimate and environmetal problems,, but it's clear,, some/still many don't have a keen interest on this ,,
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CA is stuck in a vicious cycle of global warming, drought and forest fires. 100's of homes have burned to the ground and those that have escaped the raging fires are only slightly better off because they have almost no water for their lawns which are turning brown and it is upsetting them. Home owners want farmers to stop taking what little water is available so they can water their lawns and take long showers everyday. The upper class in CA are also upset about not being able to have their Mexican workers wash their sidewalks with garden hoses. This is causing them great hardships.
Many people who moved to CA in the last 100 years to enjoy the "warm California Sun" are facing the real possibility of having to move out of the state. It's like a 2nd great "Okie" migration only this time it's going from West to East.
Many people who moved to CA in the last 100 years to enjoy the "warm California Sun" are facing the real possibility of having to move out of the state. It's like a 2nd great "Okie" migration only this time it's going from West to East.
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the Fools need to run more water into the Ocean unused!
Wasting Billions of Gallons every year,then blame Climate-Change!
Go figure!
Wasting Billions of Gallons every year,then blame Climate-Change!
Go figure!
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News week.
State officials say California’s drought is “one of the most severe droughts on record,” and they warn that even an El Niño rainy season is unlikely to fix the situation. In fact, nothing seems to fix the situation. Californians slashed their water use by 31 percent during July—well above the 25 percent reduction targeted by the governor. And there’s still not enough water.
But California’s drought is largely a man-made crisis. It is caused by a series of policies—some from the past, many that are ongoing—that has prioritized environmental demands above the basic provision of water resources to the public. More than half of the state’s water resources simply flow out the San Francisco Bay to the Pacific Ocean.
Even now, in the Sierra foothills state officials empty reservoirs to protect “unimpeded” river flows to benefit small numbers of non-endangered hatchery fish.
The California Coastal Commission, the powerful agency with control of development along the shoreline, is holding up a privately planned desalination plant over concerns about its impact on plankton. The environmental-friendly commission wants to force the developers to build a pumping system that destroys the economics of the plant.
State officials say California’s drought is “one of the most severe droughts on record,” and they warn that even an El Niño rainy season is unlikely to fix the situation. In fact, nothing seems to fix the situation. Californians slashed their water use by 31 percent during July—well above the 25 percent reduction targeted by the governor. And there’s still not enough water.
But California’s drought is largely a man-made crisis. It is caused by a series of policies—some from the past, many that are ongoing—that has prioritized environmental demands above the basic provision of water resources to the public. More than half of the state’s water resources simply flow out the San Francisco Bay to the Pacific Ocean.
Even now, in the Sierra foothills state officials empty reservoirs to protect “unimpeded” river flows to benefit small numbers of non-endangered hatchery fish.
The California Coastal Commission, the powerful agency with control of development along the shoreline, is holding up a privately planned desalination plant over concerns about its impact on plankton. The environmental-friendly commission wants to force the developers to build a pumping system that destroys the economics of the plant.
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An Engineered Drought
Shortsighted coastal elites bear most of the blame for California’s water woes.
April 2, 2015
California governor Jerry Brown had little choice but to issue a belated, state-wide mandate to reduce water usage by 25 percent. How such restrictions will affect Californians remains to be seen, given the Golden State’s wide diversity in geography, climate, water supply, and demography.
We do know two things. First, Brown and other Democratic leaders will never concede that their own opposition in the 1970s (when California had about half its present population) to the completion of state and federal water projects, along with their more recent allowance of massive water diversions for fish and river enhancement, left no margin for error in a state now home to 40 million people. Second, the mandated restrictions will bring home another truth as lawns die, pools empty, and boutique gardens shrivel in the coastal corridor from La Jolla to Berkeley: the very idea of a 20-million-person corridor along the narrow, scenic Pacific Ocean and adjoining foothills is just as unnatural as “big” agriculture’s Westside farming. The weather, climate, lifestyle, views, and culture of coastal living may all be spectacular, but the arid Los Angeles and San Francisco Bay-area megalopolises must rely on massive water transfers from the Sierra Nevada, Northern California, or out-of-state sources to support their unnatural ecosystems.
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Victor Davis Hanson
The Scorching of California
How Green extremists made a bad drought worse
Winter 2015
In mid-December, the first large storms in three years drenched California. No one knows whether the rain and snow will continue—only that it must last for weeks if a record three-year drought, both natural and man-made, is to end. In the 1970s, coastal elites squelched California’s near-century-long commitment to building dams, reservoirs, and canals, even as the Golden State’s population ballooned. Court-ordered drainage of man-made lakes, meant to restore fish to the 1,100-square-mile Sacramento–San Joaquin River Delta, partly caused central California’s reservoir water to dry up. Not content with preventing construction of new water infrastructure, environmentalists reverse-engineered existing projects to divert precious water away from agriculture, privileging the needs of fish over the needs of people. Then they alleged that global warming, not their own foolish policies, had caused the current crisis.
Even as a fourth year of drought threatens the state, canal water from the Hetch Hetchy reservoir in Yosemite National Park keeps Silicon Valley and the San Francisco Bay Area a verdant oasis. This parched coastal mountain range would have depopulated long ago without the infrastructure that an earlier, wiser generation built and that latter-day regulators and environmentalists so casually deprecated. (See “California’s Promethean Past,” Summer 2013.) Gardens and lawns remain green in Palo Alto, San Mateo, Cupertino, and San Francisco, where residents continue to benefit from past investments in huge water transfers from inland mountains to the coast. They will be the last to go dry.
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While California is clearly experiencing another drought, the extreme water shortages are an ongoing and man-made human tragedy — one that has been brought on by overzealous liberal environmentalists who continue to devalue the lives and livelihoods of California residents in pursuit of their own agenda. It comes down to this: Which do we think is more important, families or fish?
With different policies over the last 20 years, all of this could have been avoided. Droughts are nothing new in California — the state has suffered from them for centuries. The difference now is that government policies are making it much worse. Despite the awareness around this issue, liberals continue to develop and promote policies which allow much of California’s rainfall to wash out to sea.
Specifically, these policies have resulted in the diversion of more than 300 billion gallons of water away from farmers in the Central Valley and into the San Francisco Bay in order to protect the Delta smelt, an endangered fish that environmentalists have continued to champion at the expense of Californians. This water is simply being washed out to sea, instead of being channeled to the people who desperately need it.
While they have watched this water wash out to sea, liberals have simultaneously prevented the construction of a single new reservoir or a single new water conveyance system over decades. This has happened during a period in which California’s population has doubled. It is clear that improved or additional infrastructure would allow for greater conservation before droughts — especially as the population continues to explode — but California has not completed a major water infrastructure project in 50 years.
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ooby_dooby: CA is stuck in a vicious cycle of global warming, drought and forest fires. 100's of homes have burned to the ground and those that have escaped the raging fires are only slightly better off because they have almost no water for their lawns which are turning brown and it is upsetting them. Home owners want farmers to stop taking what little water is available so they can water their lawns and take long showers everyday. The upper class in CA are also upset about not being able to have their Mexican workers wash their sidewalks with garden hoses. This is causing them great hardships.
Many people who moved to CA in the last 100 years to enjoy the "warm California Sun" are facing the real possibility of having to move out of the state. It's like a 2nd great "Okie" migration only this time it's going from West to East.
Many people who moved to CA in the last 100 years to enjoy the "warm California Sun" are facing the real possibility of having to move out of the state. It's like a 2nd great "Okie" migration only this time it's going from West to East.
really? 
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Victor Davis Hanson
California’s Water Wars
Environmentalist efforts to save the delta smelt threaten to create a new dust bowl.
Summer 2011
The Golden State’s ambitious system of dams and aqueducts once transformed desert into verdant, profitable farmland.
California’s water wars aren’t about scarcity. Even with 37 million people and the nation’s most irrigation-intensive agriculture, the state usually has enough water for both people and crops, thanks to the brilliant hydrological engineering of past generations of Californians. But now there is a new element in the century-old water calculus: a demand that the state’s inland waters flow as pristinely as they supposedly did before the age of dams, reservoirs, and canals. Only that way can California’s rivers, descending from their mountain origins, reach the Sacramento–San Joaquin River Delta year-round. Only that way, environmentalists say, can a three-inch delta fish be saved and salmon runs from the Pacific to the interior restored.
Such green dreams are not new to California politics. But their consequences, in this case, have been particularly dire: rich farmland idled, workers laid off, and massive tax revenues forfeited. Worse still, they coincide with a $25 billion annual state deficit, an overtaxed and fleeing elite populace, unsustainable pension obligations for public employees, a growing population of illegal aliens—and a world food shortage. This insolvent state is in far too much trouble to predicate its agricultural future on fish.
You can learn an important fact about the water wars simply by driving the width of California’s vast Central Valley, where most of the battles erupt. True, there is a rich agricultural economy of dairy, wine, row crops, and rice elsewhere in the state, both to the north and to the south. But the farming engine that drives California’s $14 billion export industry is centered in the hot flatlands of the 450-mile-long Central Valley, bounded by the mountains of the Sierra Nevada to the east and those of the Coast Range to the west.
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Conrad:
California has had 6 Republican Governors since World War 2 and only 4 Democrats. Total time in office for
Republican Governors was 575 months or 48 years
Democratic Governors was 306 months or 25 years
So Republicans were in power in CA twice as long as Democrats so how can you blame all of CA's problems on Dems and none of it on Repubs?
California has had 6 Republican Governors since World War 2 and only 4 Democrats. Total time in office for
Republican Governors was 575 months or 48 years
Democratic Governors was 306 months or 25 years
So Republicans were in power in CA twice as long as Democrats so how can you blame all of CA's problems on Dems and none of it on Repubs?
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scon1916: Are there any people here who can tell me how severe the drought is? Any Californians on here who can give first-hand accounts?
I'm just curious and a tad worried.
Here in Vietnam it looks like they're going to lose a lot of the Mekong Delta (Vietnam's biggest food-producing area). California produces 25% of US food or used to.
Are those folk in Washington preparing whole or half-heartedly for what's to come?
I'm just curious and a tad worried.
Here in Vietnam it looks like they're going to lose a lot of the Mekong Delta (Vietnam's biggest food-producing area). California produces 25% of US food or used to.
Are those folk in Washington preparing whole or half-heartedly for what's to come?
As I drove up 5 a few weeks ago the fields dry and the orchards were blown down by winds and the farmers were ripping out trees that feed over half of the US. The signs on the road said (watering food is not waist) we feed US.
As I traveled down 99 S. I saw government/indrustraul farmers and knew the government has won this battle.
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As I explained to my daughter the rain falls and bounces off the land and runs into the the gutters. Our land is like cement and the water flown into the ocean without any soaking or healing of the earth that needs it.
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ooby_dooby: Conrad:
California has had 6 Republican Governors since World War 2 and only 4 Democrats. Total time in office for
Republican Governors was 575 months or 48 years
Democratic Governors was 306 months or 25 years
So Republicans were in power in CA twice as long as Democrats so how can you blame all of CA's problems on Dems and none of it on Repubs?
just goes to show its quicker to blow up a dam than build one . Whats going to be upsetting is the folks eating the food grow with the help if irrigation will have to pay producers elsewhere or go hungry . They might start growing lemons in their back yards hahahaCalifornia has had 6 Republican Governors since World War 2 and only 4 Democrats. Total time in office for
Republican Governors was 575 months or 48 years
Democratic Governors was 306 months or 25 years
So Republicans were in power in CA twice as long as Democrats so how can you blame all of CA's problems on Dems and none of it on Repubs?
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ooby_dooby: Conrad:
California has had 6 Republican Governors since World War 2 and only 4 Democrats. Total time in office for
Republican Governors was 575 months or 48 years
Democratic Governors was 306 months or 25 years
So Republicans were in power in CA twice as long as Democrats so how can you blame all of CA's problems on Dems and none of it on Repubs?
California has had 6 Republican Governors since World War 2 and only 4 Democrats. Total time in office for
Republican Governors was 575 months or 48 years
Democratic Governors was 306 months or 25 years
So Republicans were in power in CA twice as long as Democrats so how can you blame all of CA's problems on Dems and none of it on Repubs?
Here Fishy,Fishy!
What about that waste of Billions of Gallons of Freshwater?
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Conrad73: Here Fishy,Fishy!
What about that waste of Billions of Gallons of Freshwater?
What about that waste of Billions of Gallons of Freshwater?
I agree, why the cover up of billions of gallons of freshwater wasted, is it a sign of the government pandering to business or what??
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It's not just people who are struggling to cope with the state's record drought
The California drought has left the state scrambling to provide water for its nearly 40 million residents and its very thirsty agricultural sector. But humans aren’t the only ones struggling. The historic dry spell is reshaping the habitats of much of the state’s wildlife, forcing animals to search much further for water and leaving some vulnerable to death.
The California drought has left the state scrambling to provide water for its nearly 40 million residents and its very thirsty agricultural sector. But humans aren’t the only ones struggling. The historic dry spell is reshaping the habitats of much of the state’s wildlife, forcing animals to search much further for water and leaving some vulnerable to death.
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Babettefr: It's not just people who are struggling to cope with the state's record drought
The California drought has left the state scrambling to provide water for its nearly 40 million residents and its very thirsty agricultural sector. But humans aren’t the only ones struggling. The historic dry spell is reshaping the habitats of much of the state’s wildlife, forcing animals to search much further for water and leaving some vulnerable to death.
The California drought has left the state scrambling to provide water for its nearly 40 million residents and its very thirsty agricultural sector. But humans aren’t the only ones struggling. The historic dry spell is reshaping the habitats of much of the state’s wildlife, forcing animals to search much further for water and leaving some vulnerable to death.
While humans are heard complaining, what about the on the wildlife, a planet deprived of it's fauna is a dead planet,,
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Babettefr: While humans are heard complaining, what about the on the wildlife, a planet deprived of it's fauna is a dead planet,,
The drought has affected all of California’s vast diversity of wildlife in different ways, and the most at risk species tend to be smaller ones that can’t pick up and move to other habitats. Take small animals in the Mojave Desert region. A lack of rainfall isn’t unusual in the area—it is, after all, a desert—but a number of species have been able to adapt and thrive in a few of the marshes that dot the region. But those marshes are drying up, destroying the habitat of various fish native to the Mojave Desert like the Shoshone pupfish. And unusually, the underwater aquifers that provide water for species like the endangered Amargosa vole, which is only found in the Mojave, are also drying up.
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I'm just curious and a tad worried.
Here in Vietnam it looks like they're going to lose a lot of the Mekong Delta (Vietnam's biggest food-producing area). California produces 25% of US food or used to.
Are those folk in Washington preparing whole or half-heartedly for what's to come?