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Mar 24, 2016 1:37 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
This is to continue our discussion on the development of Merkel's open admittance to all migrants in Germany

Thanks all for your participation.
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Mar 24, 2016 1:40 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
lindsyjones: This is to continue our discussion on the development of Merkel's open admittance to all migrants in Germany

Thanks all for your participation.


Thank you Capri for bringing it to my attention. It reached its limit and asked me to start a continuation.

so here it is.

We were talking about your proposal on the situation and I do feel it is very reasonable if not completely logical and even doable.
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Mar 24, 2016 1:43 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
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lindsyjones: This is to continue our discussion on the development of Merkel's open admittance to all migrants in Germany

Thanks all for your participation.
I'm pretty sure the open-door policy was for refugees of the Syrian conflict. Not all migrants.
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Mar 24, 2016 1:44 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Capricorn143
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lindsyjones: Thank you Capri for bringing it to my attention. It reached its limit and asked me to start a continuation.

so here it is.

We were talking about your proposal on the situation and I do feel it is very reasonable if not completely logical and even doable.


Thanks for continuing hug

I wish someone could hypnotize Merkel and make her carry out what I suggested grin
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Mar 24, 2016 1:48 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Capricorn143
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almera03: I'm pretty sure the open-door policy was for refugees of the Syrian conflict. Not all migrants.


Very early on when the influx picked up, it was clear who was coming. What was done about it? Nothing! We have spent good money on those who do not deserve or need any protection instead on those that do.
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Mar 24, 2016 1:49 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03: I'm pretty sure the open-door policy was for refugees of the Syrian conflict. Not all migrants.


Almera of course, we all know it is because of the refugee policy. It has been proven however that there is very number of real refugees compared to all the migrants. I am sure you wont agree with me, but I believe this is true.

If you read the latest of Capri's post, why for that Turkey sells Syrian passports? I am not sure about this but if that is the case, we all know what is going on.
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Mar 24, 2016 1:52 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Capricorn143: Thanks for continuing

I wish someone could hypnotize Merkel and make her carry out what I suggested


I think in a real democratic ideology Capri, there should be enough to maintain the expression of the voice of the majority. This being enforced then she can change her position and admit to her mistakes and go from there.
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Mar 24, 2016 1:56 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
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Capricorn143: Very early on when the influx picked up, it was clear who was coming. What was done about it? Nothing! We have spent good money on those who do not deserve or need any protection instead on those that do.
Good money. We have thrown away good money propping up Greece. Feeding India's poor while their government pour money into space exploration. We have ignored Turkey while they allowed ISIS to smuggle oil and weapons through its borders while guards on both sides smoked cigarettes and chatted. While Turkey's economy prospers from the selling of life jackets. We turn a blind eye to those Countries supplying those weapons to ISIS.
Those true Syrian refuges deserve
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Mar 24, 2016 1:59 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03: Good money. We have thrown away good money propping up Greece. Feeding India's poor while their government pour money into space exploration. We have ignored Turkey while they allowed ISIS to smuggle oil and weapons through its borders while guards on both sides smoked cigarettes and chatted. While Turkey's economy prospers from the selling of life jackets. We turn a blind eye to those Countries supplying those weapons to ISIS.
Those true Syrian refuges deserve


I have always maintained there are true refugees. We all know that, but to manipulate the system and for Merkel to have now known that is just plain stupid.

Now my proposal in the beginning is to support for the creation of a sustainable camp in North Africa. Or give the whole 4.1 billion dollars that Obama gave in November to Turkey and Jordan. This way it is easier for them to be relocated back in their land when the war is over.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:01 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
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lindsyjones: Almera of course, we all know it is because of the refugee policy. It has been proven however that there is very number of real refugees compared to all the migrants. I am sure you wont agree with me, but I believe this is true.

If you read the latest of Capri's post, why for that Turkey sells Syrian passports? I am not sure about this but if that is the case, we all know what is going on.
There is no, of course. You used the word migrant, but migrants and refugees are different.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:01 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
lindsyjones: I have always maintained there are true refugees. We all know that, but to manipulate the system and for Merkel to have now known that is just plain stupid.

Now my proposal in the beginning is to support for the creation of a sustainable camp in North Africa. Or give the whole 4.1 billion dollars that Obama gave in November to Turkey and Jordan. This way it is easier for them to be relocated back in their land when the war is over.


And the good part about going this route is that it wouldn't have encouraged all the migrants from other parts of the ME from flooding Europe. The question is just much of these are real refugees? There was an article on WS Journal published in July that they have proven for every 100 migrants there were three of them real refugees. Unless we can isolate the real refugees and give them their need as deserved then this conflict will never be solved.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:03 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03: There is no, of course. You used the word migrant, but migrants and refugees are different.


All the papers call it "Migrants crises"

I guess you are not understanding me, and it is okay. Migrant is the term used because it was proven that not all of them are refugees.

This thread is about migrants, not refugees. Now don't tell me that these people are not migrants. I believe as most people I know believe that there is very few refugees out of these migrants.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:05 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
lindsyjones: I have always maintained there are true refugees. We all know that, but to manipulate the system and for Merkel to have now known that is just plain stupid.

Now my proposal in the beginning is to support for the creation of a sustainable camp in North Africa. Or give the whole 4.1 billion dollars that Obama gave in November to Turkey and Jordan. This way it is easier for them to be relocated back in their land when the war is over.
Last year when those two children drowned, the whole of Europe were in up roar, saying why isn't anything being done. And while the rest of Europe sat there twiddling its thumbs, Merkel, rightly or wrongly, made a humanitariandecision.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:10 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
lindsyjones: All the papers call it "Migrants crises"

I guess you are not understanding me, and it is okay. Migrant is the term used because it was proven that not all of them are refugees.

This thread is about migrants, not refugees. Now don't tell me that these people are not migrants. I believe as most people I know believe that there is very few refugees out of these migrants.
Nope, I fully understand that all your thinking is born from poor reporting. Just because some migrants got through, that doesn't make the decision to help the Syrian refugees wrong. You are saying her decision to help was wrong.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:11 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Capricorn143
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almera03: Good money. We have thrown away good money propping up Greece. Feeding India's poor while their government pour money into space exploration. We have ignored Turkey while they allowed ISIS to smuggle oil and weapons through its borders while guards on both sides smoked cigarettes and chatted. While Turkey's economy prospers from the selling of life jackets. We turn a blind eye to those Countries supplying those weapons to ISIS.
Those true Syrian refuges deserve


Excellent relativis excuses!

I said: instead of spending money on those that do not deserve protection, money should have been spent on those that do!

But if you think that all those young men of military age deserve protection more than the women, the children they left at home, then... confused

And before you argue the opposite, check the % of men, women, children among these immigrants/refugees (I do admit that some are that), and if you do not believe other sources, then stick to the EU stats office report - 70% men between 15 and 35 (if I remember correctly)! They certainly are the poor ones we should help. ANd when you arre at it, check how many from Syria!
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Mar 24, 2016 2:14 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03: Nope, I fully understand that all your thinking is born from poor reporting. Just because some migrants got through, that doesn't make the decision to help the Syrian refugees wrong. You are saying her decision to help was wrong.


Never had I said that it is wrong to help the refugees. Are you even reading my post? I approved the 4.1 billion that Obama gave to these refugees, now why would I do that if it is wrong to help them? Poor reporting? Are you for real? Do you truly believe that all those migrants are all refugees? If you do then our discussion is over.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:16 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03: Last year when those two children drowned, the whole of Europe were in up roar, saying why isn't anything being done. And while the rest of Europe sat there twiddling its thumbs, Merkel, rightly or wrongly, made a humanitariandecision.


Yes and I feel sorry for those, again, that incident and so many more are unfortunate, and it doesn't stop anyone to help the real refugees. Real Almera, if you are going to make it look like I don't support refugees, I will ban you because the truth is your mind and mentality doesn't suit this thread. Thank you.

Now if you agree with me that Not All These migrants are refugees, then I will keep you on this thread.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:18 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
Capricorn143: Excellent relativis excuses!

I said: instead of spending money on those that do not deserve protection, money should have been spent on those that do!

But if you think that all those young men of military age deserve protection more than the women, the children they left at home, then...

And before you argue the opposite, check the % of men, women, children among these immigrants/refugees (I do admit that some are that), and if you do not believe other sources, then stick to the EU stats office report - 70% men between 15 and 35 (if I remember correctly)! They certainly are the poor ones we should help. ANd when you arre at it, check how many from Syria!
I fail to see what the age and gender of a refugee matters. Stats mean nothing. Stats are very easily skewed in one direction or another depending how you want them to appear and by who is doing the sums.
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Mar 24, 2016 2:20 PM CST Germany suffers as a result of Merkel's decision Part 2
Capricorn143: Excellent relativis excuses!

I said: instead of spending money on those that do not deserve protection, money should have been spent on those that do!

But if you think that all those young men of military age deserve protection more than the women, the children they left at home, then...

And before you argue the opposite, check the % of men, women, children among these immigrants/refugees (I do admit that some are that), and if you do not believe other sources, then stick to the EU stats office report - 70% men between 15 and 35 (if I remember correctly)! They certainly are the poor ones we should help. ANd when you arre at it, check how many from Syria!


Thanks Capri, I have banned him on all my thread claiming that I let terrorism rule my life because I keep talking about it. Well all our politicians and the world are all talking about it. I do have a good life, I just want to be involved with this current problems in hope of finding solutions.

Now you have made those very remarkable proposal Capri and we should focus on that. Obviously Almera you have not read any of the original thread I created last year which again, reached about 1000 comment, you should go and read them all then you know where we are.

For right now you have to recognize that what we are talking about are not refugees.

And I do support them.
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