The People were duped (34)
Well their leaders put forth a good argument
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Aragorn11: Well their leaders put forth a good argument
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The two things that everyone knew got under the skin of English people, money and immigrants.
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150 million a week is chicken feed till y'all wrap this
up with a Nice New Bow of English Freedom. Semper Fi!
up with a Nice New Bow of English Freedom. Semper Fi!
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crayons: 150 million a week is chicken feed till y'all wrap this
up with a Nice New Bow of English Freedom. Semper Fi!
up with a Nice New Bow of English Freedom. Semper Fi!
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But they are finding that 'Freedom' costs them a great deal and as each day passes its getting more expensive to be free.
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yubba: .
The two things that everyone knew got under the skin of English people, money and immigrants.
The two things that everyone knew got under the skin of English people, money and immigrants.
Yep, they fed on fear and prejudice.
Your country deserves better than the politicians that blatantly lied for their own gain. It was a power struggle in the Tories and a limp Labour did themselves no favours.
There has to be a way of making politicians accountable to the people, and not let them blatantly lie, to further their careers.
Toxic campaign.
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PS. The UK is more than one country and has a lot more people besides English people! 
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Aragorn11: Yep, they fed on fear and prejudice.
Your country deserves better than the politicians that blatantly lied for their own gain. It was a power struggle in the Tories and a limp Labour did themselves no favours.
There has to be a way of making politicians accountable to the people, and not let them blatantly lie, to further their careers.
Toxic campaign.
Your country deserves better than the politicians that blatantly lied for their own gain. It was a power struggle in the Tories and a limp Labour did themselves no favours.
There has to be a way of making politicians accountable to the people, and not let them blatantly lie, to further their careers.
Toxic campaign.
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But they also hit their target with the class and type of people in the majority, however the problem is that it is not they that run the country.
Possibly something will happen at the Conservative party meeting in October and we will know more about what will happen and the new PM may be waiting for that time to give everyone an idea of who they are dealing with. Another Margaret Thatcher in the waiting.
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Aragorn11: Yep, they fed on fear and prejudice.
Your country deserves better than the politicians that blatantly lied for their own gain. It was a power struggle in the Tories and a limp Labour did themselves no favours.
There has to be a way of making politicians accountable to the people, and not let them blatantly lie, to further their careers.
Toxic campaign.
Your country deserves better than the politicians that blatantly lied for their own gain. It was a power struggle in the Tories and a limp Labour did themselves no favours.
There has to be a way of making politicians accountable to the people, and not let them blatantly lie, to further their careers.
Toxic campaign.
The other side of the same coin is the electorate. Politicians lie, its not new. But the laziness of some of the electorate in not educating themselves on what is truth and what is fodder is truly remarkable imo. There's no critical reflection in their views and they feed off what they believe to be true.
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Aragorn11: The other side of the same coin is the electorate. Politicians lie, its not new. But the laziness of some of the electorate in not educating themselves on what is truth and what is fodder is truly remarkable imo. There's no critical reflection in their views and they feed off what they believe to be true.
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The proof of 'numbers' has shown itself here with this vote, it is always about the 'numbers', what people forget is that when it comes to vote for a government they are led by what they think is best. After their vote is cast they live with what the majority have and not what they voted for, if these people get together they can have change but while they stay silent nothing changes.
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jac_the_gripper: PS. The UK is more than one country and has a lot more people besides English people!
Quite right gorgeous! Great to see you again 
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yubba: So now that the Brexit Circus people had their way the truth starts to emerge. The UK was only paying around 200 million a week and not 350 million and now the House of Lords is getting involved to stop the exit happening.
A political hot potato in the making and a test as to whether a peoples vote is binding under UK law or not. If it is not and can be proved in law what chance in any future does anyone of having their say.
This post and thread has no room for religion.
I read about the vote not being binding well before the referendum. The problem was that many, many people were blinkered and only considered immigration and did not look at the wider picture. Even now I hear people saying the MP's will vote "out", no worries. They have there head in the sand and only believe what they want to believe.A political hot potato in the making and a test as to whether a peoples vote is binding under UK law or not. If it is not and can be proved in law what chance in any future does anyone of having their say.
This post and thread has no room for religion.
Yes, immigration is a major issue, but the UK government should have just said "no", and stood firm, and other countries would have followed. What could the EU do?
Instead, if the MP's overturn the vote, the UK will look stupid, and loose all credibility. If they go with the vote, the powerful countries could close the door on the biggest market in the world. One the whole world wants to trade in.
We are a major player in the world, but our arrogance could be our downfall. WE could have attacked the EU from within.
And before I get accused of being "against", I am not. I just think we should have tried a different approach first, ruthlessly, before we put ourselves in this position.
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rebel2: I read about the vote not being binding well before the referendum. The problem was that many, many people were blinkered and only considered immigration and did not look at the wider picture. Even now I hear people saying the MP's will vote "out", no worries. They have there head in the sand and only believe what they want to believe.
Yes, immigration is a major issue, but the UK government should have just said "no", and stood firm, and other countries would have followed. What could the EU do?
Instead, if the MP's overturn the vote, the UK will look stupid, and loose all credibility. If they go with the vote, the powerful countries could close the door on the biggest market in the world. One the whole world wants to trade in.
We are a major player in the world, but our arrogance could be our downfall. WE could have attacked the EU from within.
And before I get accused of being "against", I am not. I just think we should have tried a different approach first, ruthlessly, before we put ourselves in this position.
Yes, immigration is a major issue, but the UK government should have just said "no", and stood firm, and other countries would have followed. What could the EU do?
Instead, if the MP's overturn the vote, the UK will look stupid, and loose all credibility. If they go with the vote, the powerful countries could close the door on the biggest market in the world. One the whole world wants to trade in.
We are a major player in the world, but our arrogance could be our downfall. WE could have attacked the EU from within.
And before I get accused of being "against", I am not. I just think we should have tried a different approach first, ruthlessly, before we put ourselves in this position.
I think you're right in so far as its easier to change from within. For too long politicians have passed the buck and blamed the EU.
I personally cannot see the freedom of movement being overturned, but who knows. And don't forget, the UK has 4.5 million people living, studying and working outside the UK and within the EU, the largest emigrants within the EU of any member. There has to be a quid pro quo.
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Aragorn11: I think you're right in so far as its easier to change from within. For too long politicians have passed the buck and blamed the EU.
I personally cannot see the freedom of movement being overturned, but who knows. And don't forget, the UK has 4.5 million people living, studying and working outside the UK and within the EU, the largest emigrants within the EU of any member. There has to be a quid pro quo.
Exactly, and it was the job of our MP's to ensure that the public knew the consequences instead of trying to further there career. I personally cannot see the freedom of movement being overturned, but who knows. And don't forget, the UK has 4.5 million people living, studying and working outside the UK and within the EU, the largest emigrants within the EU of any member. There has to be a quid pro quo.
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rebel2: I read about the vote not being binding well before the referendum. The problem was that many, many people were blinkered and only considered immigration and did not look at the wider picture. Even now I hear people saying the MP's will vote "out", no worries. They have there head in the sand and only believe what they want to believe.
Yes, immigration is a major issue, but the UK government should have just said "no", and stood firm, and other countries would have followed. What could the EU do?
Instead, if the MP's overturn the vote, the UK will look stupid, and loose all credibility. If they go with the vote, the powerful countries could close the door on the biggest market in the world. One the whole world wants to trade in.
We are a major player in the world, but our arrogance could be our downfall. WE could have attacked the EU from within.
And before I get accused of being "against", I am not. I just think we should have tried a different approach first, ruthlessly, before we put ourselves in this position.
Yes, immigration is a major issue, but the UK government should have just said "no", and stood firm, and other countries would have followed. What could the EU do?
Instead, if the MP's overturn the vote, the UK will look stupid, and loose all credibility. If they go with the vote, the powerful countries could close the door on the biggest market in the world. One the whole world wants to trade in.
We are a major player in the world, but our arrogance could be our downfall. WE could have attacked the EU from within.
And before I get accused of being "against", I am not. I just think we should have tried a different approach first, ruthlessly, before we put ourselves in this position.
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Morning Reb, almost Almoco in Spain now.
I agree with you completely simply because the UK is too big a player within the EU, but how do you feel about David Cameron starting to lose some interest and giving in to the Vote and not being strong with his government whilst also being a little too complacent about the governments overall standing and his thinking was that they would succeed and the vote would fall on his side.
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rebel2: Exactly, and it was the job of our MP's to ensure that the public knew the consequences instead of trying to further there career.
I said from the start I cannot see Article 50 being invoked and I stand by that. It would be a monumental mistake for the UK to leave imo.
I'm sure May's whistle stop tour of Eastern Europe will tell its own story as they want free movement of labour to narrow the economic divide.
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yubba: .
Morning Reb, almost Almoco in Spain now.
I agree with you completely simply because the UK is too big a player within the EU, but how do you feel about David Cameron starting to lose some interest and giving in to the Vote and not being strong with his government whilst also being a little too complacent about the governments overall standing and his thinking was that they would succeed and the vote would fall on his side.
Well, he kept his promise and had a referendum. Credit to him on that.Morning Reb, almost Almoco in Spain now.
I agree with you completely simply because the UK is too big a player within the EU, but how do you feel about David Cameron starting to lose some interest and giving in to the Vote and not being strong with his government whilst also being a little too complacent about the governments overall standing and his thinking was that they would succeed and the vote would fall on his side.
I would have liked to have seen him hit the EU head on, very hard, well before the vote and really rattle the cage. He appeared to have no, or very little backing from his MP's, which is also disappointing.
I think he and the EU did not expect the result they got, and a plan "B" was never even considered. Arrogance, not in touch or threw the towel in? I am not sure.
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yubba: So now that the Brexit Circus people had their way the truth starts to emerge. The UK was only paying around 200 million a week and not 350 million and now the House of Lords is getting involved to stop the exit happening.
A political hot potato in the making and a test as to whether a peoples vote is binding under UK law or not. If it is not and can be proved in law what chance in any future does anyone of having their say.
This post and thread has no room for religion.
A political hot potato in the making and a test as to whether a peoples vote is binding under UK law or not. If it is not and can be proved in law what chance in any future does anyone of having their say.
This post and thread has no room for religion.
If you wanted to turn a populist right into neofascism then you'd block Brexit. Hold a vote and if you win, you win, and if you lose then you simply ignore it - Stalin's prerogative.
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TheRedSquirrel87: If you wanted to turn a populist right into neofascism then you'd block Brexit. Hold a vote and if you win, you win, and if you lose then you simply ignore it - Stalin's prerogative.
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and hope that it does not turn into a Civil war Red?, would that be playing into the hands of others too?
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TheRedSquirrel87: If you wanted to turn a populist right into neofascism then you'd block Brexit. Hold a vote and if you win, you win, and if you lose then you simply ignore it - Stalin's prerogative.
They say Britain is an elective dictatorship, maybe we will now find out.
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A political hot potato in the making and a test as to whether a peoples vote is binding under UK law or not. If it is not and can be proved in law what chance in any future does anyone of having their say.
This post and thread has no room for religion.