DR'S STRIKE AGAIN (27)

Sep 1, 2016 2:55 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
what do you think? 5 days on the trot this time. Junior docs that is.

Do you think it was the generations of kids who stomped their feet and got their own way with harrassed parents who could not say no?

Blackmail to get their own way, and got away with it.

Now these self-same spoiled brats are doing it to the country, and worst of all, ill sick people who rely on their help.

For shame on them, I say, I will wrap their waving banners around their smiling faces given half the chance. I will hold my hands up to the police and say "sorry I am just a senile old women"

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Sep 1, 2016 3:32 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
MikeD12
MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
I have not seen the current offer in print so where have the ACTUAL details of the Junior doctors rejected offer been published to enable the Public to read and make a more informed comment.

As usual the public "users" of the service are being shamefully controlled and manipulated by Government and Media propaganda and deliberate misinformation to cause division and argument, anger and upset against ONLY one side - The workers involved.
There are two sides in any dispute - I know from experience and speaking with doctors and consultants at my local hospital that the views of all ward staff, doctors, technicians and consultants have been treated with contempt by the Far right government attitude and its Ministry at all levels.
Sep 1, 2016 3:55 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
MikeD12: I have not seen the current offer in print so where have the ACTUAL details of the Junior doctors rejected offer been published to enable the Public to read and make a more informed comment.

As usual the public "users" of the service are being shamefully controlled and manipulated by Government and Media propaganda and deliberate misinformation to cause division and argument, anger and upset against ONLY one side - The workers involved.
There are two sides in any dispute - I know from experience and speaking with doctors and consultants at my local hospital that the views of all ward staff, doctors, technicians and consultants have been treated with contempt by the Far right government attitude and its Ministry at all levels.


Sorry Mike I know you to be a staunch union man, but the fact is Dr's are striking, or the unions are not capable of debating and juggling issues to get a satisfactory outcome. So yes maybe unions and government are using dr's and patients.
Sep 1, 2016 5:29 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
MikeD12
MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
Redex: Sorry Mike I know you to be a staunch union man, but the fact is Dr's are striking, or the unions are not capable of debating and juggling issues to get a satisfactory outcome. So yes maybe unions and government are using dr's and patients.


Well the considered professional opinion inside working on the job including my Consultant is, that the Health minister's intransigence at their meetings with the BMA was such that ACAS wre dismmayed and blame him and the whole department for what is happening now.

The government, Hunt and his other department untrained idiots are not acknowledging that the whole NHS staffing levels are insufficient to cope, and that there are and have been for far too long too many tiers of overpaid management, many brought in from outside with no clinical knowledge.

Recently ACAS and the BMA both said that in order to achieve the 7 day service top management salaries need to be cut and additional financial resources will need to be increased for all clinical and technical services.

For example - Outside contracts - Not only do Nursing agencies cost more, BUT If any item of ward testing kit breaks down now or needs a battery or even idicator light replaced there are no onsite technicians to fix it and maintenance staff are not allowed to do the job either since 2006. In my local hospital they have employed Outside medical engineering contractors who take 3 weeks at more expense rates than when qualified multi skilled technicians were employed on site. They were all dismissed with redundancy payments and to make matters worse, the co-alition Government finally got rid of other Hospital workshop facilities in 2010 allegedly to save money.

That is no fault of the BMA or any other Trades Union.
Sep 1, 2016 5:58 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
Yep dear Mike I suspected you would answer in that way.

But Junior Docs are prepared to go out on strike knowing its pure blackmail.

Agency staff are paid an awful lot of money, they have opted to do this, three days work for a weeks pay. This should be stopped,this is bad practice has got us this way.

I worked throughout the seven days including night shifts. Most people work that way, why not doctors nurses.
Sep 1, 2016 6:02 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Olderbutnowiser
OlderbutnowiserOlderbutnowiserSpaldwick, Cambridgeshire, England UK28 Posts
That is no fault of the BMA or any other Trades Union.

The BMA accepted the most recent Government wage offer? Dont the Doctor's still sign the Hippocratic Oath to care and save lives, if so I am trying to get my head around the fact they are refusing to treat the patients by going on strike.
At the start of this it was NOT about money but patient care, as the Doctors would be too tired to care for their patients... but if the government pay them extra they will not be too tired and the strikes will be called off?

BUT If any item of ward testing kit breaks down now or needs a battery or even idicator (sic ) light replaced there are no onsite technicians to fix it and maintenance staff are not allowed to do the job either since 2006
Total CRAP, my son-in-law is a maintenance electrician at my local hospital so when something stops working he is called to fix it, if he cant thats when the specialist contractor is called in?
Sep 1, 2016 7:07 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
wow wow Mike you will have a heart attack then what are you going to do?

I have had only six weeks experience of first aid but I will give you defibrillation shocklips
Sep 1, 2016 7:15 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Jimmy5IA
Jimmy5IAJimmy5IAWarrington, Cheshire, England UK59 Threads 2 Polls 1,013 Posts
Redex: wow wow Mike you will have a heart attack then what are you going to do?

I have had only six weeks experience of first aid but I will give you defibrillation shock

And I´ll give him a swift kick to the nuts
Sep 1, 2016 7:26 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
MikeD12
MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
Jimmy5IA: And I´ll give him a swift kick to the nuts

You are not fit enough and nor would you live long enough so carry on bullying the kids you allegedly teach. uk tongue tongue tongue
Sep 1, 2016 8:03 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
Jimmy5IA: And I´ll give him a swift kick to the nuts


And i will not touch his watnotsrolling on the floor laughing
Sep 1, 2016 9:10 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
Redex: what do you think? 5 days on the trot this time. Junior docs that is.

Do you think it was the generations of kids who stomped their feet and got their own way with harrassed parents who could not say no?

Blackmail to get their own way, and got away with it.

Now these self-same spoiled brats are doing it to the country, and worst of all, ill sick people who rely on their help.

For shame on them, I say, I will wrap their waving banners around their smiling faces given half the chance. I will hold my hands up to the police and say "sorry I am just a senile old women"


It's the GPs which are chronically overpaid is it not? The parents of these kids who, not by coincidence, overlap greatly with the generation that did all the unnecessary striking way back when.

And I hope one of them holds a pillow over your face.
Sep 1, 2016 9:34 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Rumples
RumplesRumplesManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK592 Posts
MikeD12: Well the considered professional opinion inside working on the job including my Consultant is, that the Health minister's intransigence at their meetings with the BMA was such that ACAS wre dismmayed and blame him and the whole department for what is happening now.

The government, Hunt and his other department untrained idiots are not acknowledging that the whole NHS staffing levels are insufficient to cope, and that there are and have been for far too long too many tiers of overpaid management, many brought in from outside with no clinical knowledge.

Recently ACAS and the BMA both said that in order to achieve the 7 day service top management salaries need to be cut and additional financial resources will need to be increased for all clinical and technical services.

For example - Outside contracts - Not only do Nursing agencies cost more, BUT If any item of ward testing kit breaks down now or needs a battery or even idicator light replaced there are no onsite technicians to fix it and maintenance staff are not allowed to do the job either since 2006. In my local hospital they have employed Outside medical engineering contractors who take 3 weeks at more expense rates than when qualified multi skilled technicians were employed on site. They were all dismissed with redundancy payments and to make matters worse, the co-alition Government finally got rid of other Hospital workshop facilities in 2010 allegedly to save money.

That is no fault of the BMA or any other Trades Union.


Include GPs in your list of people whose salaries need to be cut...

What must be appreciated by everyone is the excellent value for money which the NHS delivers even with the overpaid GPs etc and the anally-retentive sticklers for the rules so often found in the public sector in part because it's so easy to sue.

You could make the NHS a lot better by first and foremost going after the lawyers, but nobody could ever claim that the NHS is bad or that it's front-line staff do a bad job.
Sep 1, 2016 10:04 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
Rumples: It's the GPs which are chronically overpaid is it not? The parents of these kids who, not by coincidence, overlap greatly with the generation that did all the unnecessary striking way back when.

And I hope one of them holds a pillow over your face.


You are not worth debating with, I did not agree with unions forever bring people out on strike even in the day, that nearly crippled our country.

As for your pillow over face remark it just shows who you are.devil
off with your head laugh laugh
Sep 1, 2016 11:25 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Tresssa
TresssaTresssaOn a Cloud, Devon, England UK2 Threads 207 Posts
I have never really gone deep in to politics..however the NHS is very precious, it caters and provides healthcare for the less well off.The doctors/nurses,in fact everyone that is involved in the NHS work extremely hard...and then along comes Jeremy Hunt..he is the root of all this evil..wanting to bring the NHS to its knees...even co-wrote the book on how to dismantle the NHS.

He should have been sacked when Theresa May took over as prime minister..but he wasn't!

The NHS is ours,not his to do what he want with it..parts have already been sold off out through the back door...our ancestors fought and worked hard for us to have the NHS...and why are the NHS staff being bought to book for striking, they are not on strike today, yet today every hospital is short staffed and in some wards are closed, putting patients at risk.

Jeremy Hunt either meets their needs or resigns...he is the root of this problem...not the doctors and nurses...

Sep 2, 2016 7:15 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
Tresssa: I have never really gone deep in to politics..however the NHS is very precious, it caters and provides healthcare for the less well off.The doctors/nurses,in fact everyone that is involved in the NHS work extremely hard...and then along comes Jeremy Hunt..he is the root of all this evil..wanting to bring the NHS to its knees...even co-wrote the book on how to dismantle the NHS.

He should have been sacked when Theresa May took over as prime minister..but he wasn't!

The NHS is ours,not his to do what he want with it..parts have already been sold off out through the back door...our ancestors fought and worked hard for us to have the NHS...and why are the NHS staff being bought to book for striking, they are not on strike today, yet today every hospital is short staffed and in some wards are closed, putting patients at risk.

Jeremy Hunt either meets their needs or resigns...he is the root of this problem...not the doctors and nurses...



Sorry, only 40% of junior dr's voted, rest are being used as pawns.
They have had consession after consession. Using blackmail and the sick public is no way to go at all
Sep 2, 2016 8:53 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Jimmy5IA
Jimmy5IAJimmy5IAWarrington, Cheshire, England UK59 Threads 2 Polls 1,013 Posts
Redex: Sorry, only 40% of junior dr's voted, rest are being used as pawns.
They have had consession after consession. Using blackmail and the sick public is no way to go at all

How would you like me to flush your head in an NHS toilet?
Sep 2, 2016 1:39 PM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
Jimmy5IA: How would you like me to flush your head in an NHS toilet?


Might of Known you are just a rude pup
Sep 2, 2016 1:42 PM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
MikeD12: Exactly - Well said - I speak as one with my name still hopefully on the Thatcher TU Blacklist of all of us above Shop Steward level of the AEU and ASTMS since before she even became Leader of the deliberately Divisive and Fascist Tory Party that had as their slogan "The only Party fit to rule"

Hunt and the rest of his Ministers have deliberately provoked this whet is seen as extreme action by the Junior Doctors who have no choice but to fight or leave the NHS. - Even ACAS have acknowledged it. The Media and especially BBC and ITV news is being controlled at government level (Home office & Police) and the Media top brass all through is now almost 100% Tory biased if not financially corrupt. -- The public are being denied the right to be allowed to see in writing exactly what Hunt is sticking out for in words of one syllable.


Sorry but once again its the unions trying to cripple government and this time junior docs are used. It was police unions last time, Miners Unions time before and oh firmans unions.
Sep 3, 2016 6:11 AM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
danieljosh
danieljoshdanieljoshtelford, West Midlands, England UK21 Threads 1 Polls 1,364 Posts
the government ( mostly millionaires ) give themselves an 11% pay rise and turn up when they feel like it or need to be there to vote on an important issue i.e. stopping payments to the sick and disabled and then expect people who have to work for a living roll over and be pleased to accept any scraps they offer them
75% of the present government have interests and investments in private health firms in any other situation this would be treated as a conflict of interest and would be decided by an independent body
a junior doctor makes a mistake someone dies he ends up in trouble
government i.e. tony blair makes a decision that costs thousands of lives and makes a fortune no repercussions
Sep 3, 2016 12:11 PM CST DR'S STRIKE AGAIN
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK36 Threads 1,304 Posts
danieljosh: the government ( mostly millionaires ) give themselves an 11% pay rise and turn up when they feel like it or need to be there to vote on an important issue i.e. stopping payments to the sick and disabled and then expect people who have to work for a living roll over and be pleased to accept any scraps they offer them
75% of the present government have interests and investments in private health firms in any other situation this would be treated as a conflict of interest and would be decided by an independent body
a junior doctor makes a mistake someone dies he ends up in trouble
government i.e. tony blair makes a decision that costs thousands of lives and makes a fortune no repercussions


Surely that does not mean Junior docs have to outdo tony Blair???
We have done so much better than other countries since the crash, at least we still get a pension, and roof over our heads.
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