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Sep 21, 2016 8:18 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars

Well Im afraid I would have to disagree,
First of all I have read Orwell and although the dystopia he depicts in 1984 is far more frightening than any system we have in operation today. It does seem to take all the worse traits of socialism communism and the illusion of democratic freedom. Its use of media manipulation is far beyond its time, and as for the premise of
"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

That much I admit is in play and in conjunction with media manipulation has made history very shortly ago. and it is this that is the true power of the documents released by Snowden manning and Assange, and it is people like Snowden manning and Assange that Orwell tried to portray The protagonist Winston to be. Only he did not quite have the vision of peoples movements like Anonymous he greatly underestimated the power of the whistle blower and the tech war. I too agree that there are those would love to impose that will on the world but we are all slowly waking up to them the water charge protests show that, just a shame it ended there. I always think of Monty Burnes saying
"Let them have their tartar sauce" when I think of that situation. laugh
All I can say is dont spend to much time listening to what I call the "bunker builders" people like Alex Jones who want you so scared you will follow their agenda.
More manipulation. Logic is your best Ally.

Anyways I really hope you are wrong uh oh
Sep 21, 2016 8:24 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
johnjjm: your a pain in the a**


I am arnt I,
Shame you cant frame a proper argument though giggle
I do see your point and do acknowledge the great things your generation have done to make this country what it is. Lets agree to disagree shall we.
cheers handshake
Sep 22, 2016 3:39 AM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
annaroach
annaroachannaroachLimerick, Ireland254 Threads 8,979 Posts
nonsmoker: StarOfWars

Well Im afraid I would have to disagree,
First of all I have read Orwell and although the dystopia he depicts in 1984 is far more frightening than any system we have in operation today. It does seem to take all the worse traits of socialism communism and the illusion of democratic freedom. Its use of media manipulation is far beyond its time, and as for the premise of
"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

That much I admit is in play and in conjunction with media manipulation has made history very shortly ago. and it is this that is the true power of the documents released by Snowden manning and Assange, and it is people like Snowden manning and Assange that Orwell tried to portray The protagonist Winston to be. Only he did not quite have the vision of peoples movements like Anonymous he greatly underestimated the power of the whistle blower and the tech war. I too agree that there are those would love to impose that will on the world but we are all slowly waking up to them the water charge protests show that, just a shame it ended there. I always think of Monty Burnes saying
"Let them have their tartar sauce" when I think of that situation.
All I can say is dont spend to much time listening to what I call the "bunker builders" people like Alex Jones who want you so scared you will follow their agenda.
More manipulation. Logic is your best Ally.

Anyways I really hope you are wrong





I hope he is wrong, but i fear he is right!ireland
Sep 22, 2016 4:39 AM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
annaroach: I hope he is wrong, but i fear he is right!


Touché on the Orwellian doublethink, smitten
Sep 22, 2016 5:42 AM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
johnjjm
johnjjmjohnjjmco westmeath0000, Westmeath Ireland1 Threads 850 Posts
nonsmoker: I am arnt I,
Shame you cant frame a proper argument though
I do see your point and do acknowledge the great things your generation have done to make this country what it is. Lets agree to disagree shall we.
well I quite like it here we all have choices if you don't like well theres loads of options .for me im happy here no complaints hope we never go back to the way it was in sixties . so now enjoy the sun gosson
Sep 22, 2016 3:24 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars
StarOfWarsStarOfWarsSouth West, Cork Ireland580 Posts
nonsmoker: dont spend to much time listening to what I call the "bunker builders" people like Alex Jones who want you so scared you will follow their agenda. Logic is your best Ally




An ad hominem is an illogical argument Captain laugh
Sep 22, 2016 4:53 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/24/we-need-geneva-convention-for-the-internet-says-new-un-privacy-chief

An ad hominem is an illogical argument Captain


Its only ad hominem if I single someone out,
To put him in a category such as "Bunker builders" is not doing so.
I'm always weary of snake oil sales men. No matter what side they say
they are on.

Did I strike a nerve by stating his name as example of a business man who cashes in on mass fear and hysteria.
Did I negate any of his arguments. dunno

As for the UN and a Geneva convention style law,
Both are things the bunker builders point to as being part of the new world order agenda ..





a Geneva convention style law !
Wouldn't that make what manning and the gang even more wrong ? I presume it would if the "New world order" are charged with placing the framework for such laws. And this is what the bunker builders state, that the Geneva convention is used by them as a double edge sword, There is a vid of Chomsky stating this,
but I will have to find it.
(and please dont think I am saying Chomp is a bunker builder)

But either way we are on the cusp of new times, will they be good or bad,
That's still to see but both will be a future of people united.
perhaps marching from an orwelian ministry of peace,
or Perhaps united together saying no more 1%ers stomping the boot.

And It all starts with the TV licence fee laugh
Sep 22, 2016 5:07 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars
StarOfWarsStarOfWarsSouth West, Cork Ireland580 Posts
You singled out Alex Jones by name and sought to discredit everything he says because apparently he is a 'bunker' person, whatever that means. Or perhaps simply because he is Alex Jones. I don't know which. That's pretty much ad hominem defined. We used to call it 'playing the man not the ball'.

The appeal for a Geneva Convention type law for digital surveillance is not from the 'bunker' people (ad hominem again) it is from Joseph Cannataci, the UN privacy chief. I'm sure the 'bunker' people noted his appeal for more surveillance control but it would be illogical to try to discredit his statement by saying the 'bunker' people are talking about it.

As for the 'New World Order', well that's a term coined by George Bush senior and I've heard Obama use it. Then again both of those men had a pretty well stocked bunker so perhaps there is some truth to this 'all bunker people are crazy' theory



Sep 22, 2016 6:17 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars: You singled out Alex Jones by name and sought to discredit everything he says


Go pull me the sentence in context where I did that.
In context I used his name as an example of a new type of business that has built up around the paranoia of conspiracy.
selling every thing needed to stock and build a bunker to survive a nuclear holocaust. and that's ok . But it does mean that he has vested interest in keeping that ball rolling.
I had no intentions of discrediting everything he says as there is some of it I believe.
If you want to buy into every aspect of his sales pitch then that level of hero worship is up to you. Go ahead no skin of my nose what you buy into.

Sep 22, 2016 7:24 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
sirLarryIII
sirLarryIIIsirLarryIIIClump, Kildare Ireland115 Threads 15 Polls 3,716 Posts
nonsmoker: peoples movements like Anonymous

All I can say is dont spend to much time listening to what I call the "bunker builders" people like Alex Jones who want you so scared you will follow their agenda.
More manipulation. Logic is your best Ally.



Agreed about alex jones or should i say bill hickslaugh He's a double agent of the elite,a disinformation spreader.he presents some truth wrapped in a bundle of lies.
Would ya not think the same of the 'anonymous' group? wolves in sheeps clothing with potentially more power to do damage as they can successfully organise large amounts of people to do their bidding under the guise of attaining freedom.But we all know where sheep get led.
Anonymous have their own youtube channel ffs,youtube is tightly controlled and censored media of the elite so they hardly going to let a genuine subversive grouping overthrow them on their own platform?
Sep 22, 2016 7:28 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
sirLarryIII
sirLarryIIIsirLarryIIIClump, Kildare Ireland115 Threads 15 Polls 3,716 Posts
johnjjm: for me im happy here no complaints hope we never go back to the way it was in sixties .


Like austin powers?

laugh
Sep 22, 2016 11:39 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
sirLarryIII: Agreed about alex jones or should i say bill hicks


laugh I was going to mention that. but then thought I better not as a lot of people get very upset if you say anything about the guy. So tought I would stick to facts.

sirLarryIII: Would ya not think the same of the 'anonymous' group? wolves in sheeps clothing


Perhaps ! that all depends on which Anonymous you mean
is it the anonymous anonymous or just anonymous laugh

I was only having this conversation the other day and yes since the anonymous wiki leaks split its hard to say if or what they are if still in operation. Why Do you think they will hack the system and say I paid my tv licence laugh
Sep 23, 2016 8:08 AM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars
StarOfWarsStarOfWarsSouth West, Cork Ireland580 Posts
sirLarryIII: He's a double agent of the elite


I always thought he was a triple agent of the illuminati but sure we won't fight over it

I think the most disturbing thing about the world today is that people are completely controlled and they don't realise they are. RTE is just one outlet for the unrelenting propaganda. In Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four at least the citizens knew they were controlled. Today, the young especially, don't know and they don't even care.

I just came across an example on Google Images. You can check it for yourself.

Go to Google Images and type in the search terms "European People Art".

What would you expect to find? Van Gough? Rembrandt? Constable? That's because you are a 'racist'. European people and art and not white and never have been don't you know. What made you think European people in Art were white? You racist.

Now that is literally Orwellian
Sep 23, 2016 8:32 AM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars: I always thought he was a triple agent of the illuminati but sure we won't fight over it

I think the most disturbing thing about the world today is that people are completely controlled and they don't realise they are. RTE is just one outlet for the unrelenting propaganda. In Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four at least the citizens knew they were controlled. Today, the young especially, don't know and they don't even care.

I just came across an example on Google Images. You can check it for yourself.

Go to Google Images and type in the search terms "European People Art".

What would you expect to find? Van Gough? Rembrandt? Constable? That's because you are a 'racist'. European people and art and not white and never have been don't you know. What made you think European people in Art were white? You racist.

Now that is literally Orwellian




I'm lacist blues
Sep 25, 2016 9:05 AM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars
StarOfWarsStarOfWarsSouth West, Cork Ireland580 Posts
mollybaby: I'm lacist


Me too. I love a nice bit of lace
Oct 1, 2016 1:12 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
SEEMS THAT NOT TO HAVE A TV AT HOME IS WORST THAN CRIME

I do not have TV at home,
Already 3 years they send someone to check the house twice,
I sign a declaration that I do not have a TV and it was sent to them

;( yesterday again I got a letter to tell me that I have to pay my TV licence ........

phone the company and reminded them that a declaration has been send to them and the lady on the phone answered that the declaration was signed 3years ago and that's way they remind me again that I have to pay
I asked her "does the declaration expiry?!" "no, but you have to sign a new one!" and she could not explain the purpose I have to sign a new one while the other one does not expiry!

Will someone explain me please
WHY I HAVE TO SIGH A NEW DECLARATION WHLE THE FIRST ONE IS VALID AND THE HOUSE IS INSPECTED TWICE PER YEAR

I THINK THAT THE DRUG DEALERS GET LESS HOUSE SEARCHES THAN ME FOR NOT HAVING A TV

Maybe the AnPost people should start controling drug bussiness in Ireland ;)
Oct 1, 2016 1:32 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars
StarOfWarsStarOfWarsSouth West, Cork Ireland580 Posts
They have no right to ask you for a 'declaration'. Tell them to go away and stop harassing you. Don't answer any more questions. Don't sign anything else. Don't contact them or tolerate any contact from them.

They only have business with you if you have a TV. You don't so ignore them.
Oct 1, 2016 3:40 PM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
thanks for advise

I will see haw it will go and update you
if they start to be more agresive I'll try to bing them on a disput for harassment
Oct 5, 2016 8:34 AM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
StarOfWars: They have no right to ask you for a 'declaration'. Tell them to go away and stop harassing you. Don't answer any more questions. Don't sign anything else. Don't contact them or tolerate any contact from them.

They only have business with you if you have a TV. You don't so ignore them.


Hi Pal,
That is one of my concerns addressed by the post.
Its soon to be no longer a tv licence it will be a broadcasting charge.
They expect you to pay even if you only have a phone that is capable of picking up rte player. very mad
But as of now you are correct in saying to CARMER
"Don't contact them or tolerate any contact from them." thumbs up

Oct 5, 2016 8:36 AM CST TV Licence (new “broadcasting charge”)
CarMer: thanks for advise

I will see haw it will go and update you
if they start to be more aggressive I'll try to bing them on a disput for harassment


Good luck !
LIke Starofwars said Ignore them and don't "Volunteer" any info to them.
Fascist Bully's
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