2016 Vice Presidential Debate ( Archived) (10)

Oct 5, 2016 12:51 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
SistaCallie
SistaCallieSistaCalliePokemon, Texas USA139 Threads 1 Polls 795 Posts
Many (50 million) watched the vice presidential debate last night? Well, of sort of debate! I say "sort of debate", because I felt Governor Mike Pence was at a disadvantage trying to defend Trump and his plans and why Trump should be President. Pence spent too much time when asked a question, telling short heart felt story lead-ins to make his points, but never really answered any questions directly. It was difficult for Pence, because Trump has no real plans and it was obvious to me, Trump hasn't discussed any concrete plans with Pence other than what we hear at his rallies, same stump foolishness.

Pence couldn't rightly defend Trump on any such outlined policy proposals regarding immigration, the threat of terrorism, Pence never answered as to what he or Trump would do about home grown terrorist, how Trump plan to go about protecting civilians in Syria, plans for safe and no fly zone set ups, Pence did hesitatingly explained faith and public policy positions.

I think Kaine did a much better job of answering and explaining these Clinton interests and issues than Pence. I realize some republicans and republican media outlets are saying Pence outclassed Kaine, but no one is talking about Pence's substance in information sharing on Trump's policies and concerns of the American voters... this, I would think, is more important to voters than who looked good and who won the debate based on one's appearance and jab responses.

Tim Kaine on the other hand, spent too much time interrupting Pence... Kaine had me screaming at the television telling him to "shut Up and let Pence speak". Kaine was driving me crazy, he was overly zealous in his efforts to defend and point out Clinton's plans and proposals, and to denounce Trump. Although Kaine had much more substances and information than Pence, and Kaine knew Clinton's plans and perspective proposals, which Pence didn't have a clue outside of Trump's already talking points of "fixing" and what "needs to be done", Pence said everything but never explaining how Trump would go about implementing such proposals and plans.

All in all, I felt both Vice Presidential candidates did well, considering Kaine had more insightful information into Clinton's plans. Pence was finding it difficult explaining Trump's so-called plans, and Trump can't explain his own plans, so how can a person explain something he/she knows nothing about, except Trump's cheap talk.

Pence without outright lying, could only defend Trump "at afar", and as a Christian, Pence tried the best he could to defend Trump as not having said "this or that" without having to lie for Trump or prove he believes Trump's lies. I like both Kaine and Pence and really think America and the world saw a glimpse of two candidates who outshines their running mates who are seeking the Presidential office. Kaine and Pence should be the ones running for President.

From where I sat, Pence won the debate on his style, grace, and calmness. Kaine won the debate on his assertiveness and knowledge in the matters of Clinton's presidential planed policy proposals for America if she is elected. Kaine had substance and Pence didn't have a clue, but spoke what he THOUGHT were Trump's plans in brief, never really answering direct questions to defend any plans or proposals of Trump, Pence only tried to defend Trump as a person not his non-existing policies.

Maybe the Republicans and Democrats and voters should take another look and who knows, in the end Kaine just might end up being the last minute 2016 Presidential candidate for the Democratic party, and Mike Pence for the last minute 2016 presidential candidate for the Republican party.

Based on substance and information Tim Kaine won the debate, based grace and class Pence won the debate... which one is most important to you as a voter seeking a Presidential leader of America? Class or Substance? professor
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Oct 5, 2016 3:49 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,223 Posts
thumbs up I agree that Kaine was much more informative and was trying desperately to get all the messages out that Hillary told him to do.

Pence was more presidential then Kaine but he wasn't able to defend Trump on anything. He's very good at hiding panic when Kaine asked him to prove something.

However, I think we will see Pence in 2020 running for president. That debate last night set him up for it only on LOOKING presidential.

Kaine helped Hillary but not himself.

Pence helped himself but made Trump look very bad.

I saw Trump and Pence on 60 Minutes and Trump would never let Pence answer a question that was asked of him.

It would be interesting to see them together again to see if Pence holds back or if he answers the question in another interview.

According to the "experts" if the election was held today Hillary would win in a landslide.
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Oct 5, 2016 6:30 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
secretagent09: I agree that Kaine was much more informative and was trying desperately to get all the messages out that Hillary told him to do.

Pence was more presidential then Kaine but he wasn't able to defend Trump on anything. He's very good at hiding panic when Kaine asked him to prove something.

However, I think we will see Pence in 2020 running for president. That debate last night set him up for it only on LOOKING presidential.

Kaine helped Hillary but not himself.

Pence helped himself but made Trump look very bad.

I saw Trump and Pence on 60 Minutes and Trump would never let Pence answer a question that was asked of him.

It would be interesting to see them together again to see if Pence holds back or if he answers the question in another interview.

According to the "experts" if the election was held today Hillary would win in a landslide.


i think Pence has 20/20 vision (grin)

i also think americans tend to vote for whoever is most handsome/attractive....

i'll include canadians in that as well....we have a tendency to be seduced by what we consider attractive...

just sayin.... grin
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Oct 5, 2016 6:36 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,223 Posts
jono7: i think Pence has 20/20 vision ()

i also think americans tend to vote for whoever is most handsome/attractive....

i'll include canadians in that as well....we have a tendency to be seduced by what we consider attractive...

just sayin....



Hi Jono wave

Voting for a handsome man was what happened when Kennedy won. He was the youngest to ever campaign for the office and he was what some thought handsome.

That election was the first time I voted and I didn't vote for Kennedy.

Interesting thing ... Whomever I voted for in any election has never won blues uh oh I'm just unable to pick a winner in an election or real life sigh giggle

I hope that will change when I vote this time.
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Oct 5, 2016 8:08 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
hotburninluv
hotburninluvhotburninluvPalm Desert, California USA30 Threads 1 Polls 297 Posts
Sista Calle,

WHAT DEBATE WERE YOU WATCHING!!!!!!!????? PLEASE!

All MEDIA OUTLET AGREED....MIKE PENCE WAS THE CLEAR WINNER! HANDS DOWN!

Even OUR dear RALPHIE (a known Hillary BUTT-WIPER) BEGRUDGINGLY had to say...PENCE WON! And he couldn't believe his EYES that this COMPLETE TURD (TIM KAINE) was CLASSLESS and CLUELESS during the whole thing! laugh when he continued interrupting PENCE with UNSUBSTANTIAL HOGWASH DRIPPLE!....Like Hillary Foreign policy was a huge SUCCESS, which EVERYBODY and their UNCLE know WAS NOT!!!!!!

His misguided FACTS that were pure FICTION!! Like Really, Hillary is going to "look PUTIN right in his eyes and he's going to quake in his boots! She WEAKER than this "pajama boy" President we've had the last 8 yrs! And the reason FBI couldn't indict Hillary was that the OBAMA DOJ and Lorreta Lynch had a "conflict of interest"! Because He (Barry) knew ALL ABOUT THIS ILLEGAL SERVER...WHY he was sending Email to her all a long! IF you convict her...you have to indict the PRESIDENT and that ain't going to happen!

Tim Kaine was the HUMAN INTERRUPTER.....ANNOYING AS HECK! YEAH, tell that "lying fart" he spent way too much time on LYING and Telling THE american PEOPLE OF HILLARY'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS, which there were NONE!

The only thing you echoed....like EVERY BODY ELSE is that "He (Kaine) spent too much time interrupting Pence... Kaine had me screaming at the television telling him to "shut Up and let Pence speak". Kaine was driving me crazy, he was overly zealous in his efforts to defend and point out Clinton's plans and proposals, and to denounce Trump.

Pence said everything but never explaining how Trump would go about implementing such proposals and plans.

You'll find out soon enough, in the next DEBATE!
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Oct 5, 2016 8:11 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
hotburninluv
hotburninluvhotburninluvPalm Desert, California USA30 Threads 1 Polls 297 Posts
hotburninluv: Sista Calle,

WHAT DEBATE WERE YOU WATCHING!!!!!!!????? PLEASE!

All MEDIA OUTLET AGREED....MIKE PENCE WAS THE CLEAR WINNER! HANDS DOWN!

Even OUR dear RALPHIE (a known Hillary BUTT-WIPER) BEGRUDGINGLY had to say...PENCE WON! And he couldn't believe his EYES that this COMPLETE TURD (TIM KAINE) was CLASSLESS and CLUELESS during the whole thing! when he continued interrupting PENCE with UNSUBSTANTIAL HOGWASH DRIPPLE!....Like Hillary Foreign policy was a huge SUCCESS, which EVERYBODY and their UNCLE know WAS NOT!!!!!!

His misguided FACTS that were pure FICTION!! Like Really, Hillary is going to "look PUTIN right in his eyes and he's going to quake in his boots! She WEAKER than this "pajama boy" President we've had the last 8 yrs! And the reason FBI couldn't indict Hillary was that the OBAMA DOJ and Lorreta Lynch had a "conflict of interest"! Because He (Barry) knew ALL ABOUT THIS ILLEGAL SERVER...WHY he was sending Email to her all a long! IF you convict her...you have to indict the PRESIDENT and that ain't going to happen!

Tim Kaine was the HUMAN INTERRUPTER.....ANNOYING AS HECK! YEAH, tell that "lying fart" he spent way too much time on LYING and Telling THE american PEOPLE OF HILLARY'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS, which there were NONE!

The only thing you echoed....like EVERY BODY ELSE is that "He (Kaine) spent too much time interrupting Pence... Kaine had me screaming at the television telling him to "shut Up and let Pence speak". Kaine was driving me crazy, he was overly zealous in his efforts to defend and point out Clinton's plans and proposals, and to denounce Trump.

Pence said everything but never explaining how Trump would go about implementing such proposals and plans.

You'll find out soon enough, in the next DEBATE!
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Oct 5, 2016 8:51 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
secretagent09: Hi Jono

Voting for a handsome man was what happened when Kennedy won. He was the youngest to ever campaign for the office and he was what some thought handsome.

That election was the first time I voted and I didn't vote for Kennedy.

Interesting thing ... Whomever I voted for in any election has never won I'm just unable to pick a winner in an election or real life

I hope that will change when I vote this time.


" Whomever I voted for in any election has never won"

Then, should you vote for Trump instead?


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(in jest)
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Oct 5, 2016 10:25 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,223 Posts
lifeisadream: " Whomever I voted for in any election has never won"

Then, should you vote for Trump instead?
(in jest)




I know you said that in jest but I'm taking it seriously giggle

Nah, I can't take the chance to vote for Trump thinking that my track record will cause him to lose.

I'll stick with the lady cartwheel

But now you got me worried Lifey help
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Oct 7, 2016 5:00 PM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
secretagent09: I know you said that in jest but I'm taking it seriously

Nah, I can't take the chance to vote for Trump thinking that my track record will cause him to lose.

I'll stick with the lady

But now you got me worried Lifey


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Oct 8, 2016 11:33 AM CST 2016 Vice Presidential Debate
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
secretagent09: Pence helped himself but made Trump look very bad.


Particularly with the "Mexican Thing"





doh




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