Language skills and integration in a foreign country (49)
pat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 PostsAs long as you can make an orchy bottle bong and ask directions to the post office you should be right.
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lifeisadream: While - I do agree that education is a very important factor for people to improve their lives- sometimes education might no be affordable not even for native people. Take USA' college education costs as an example, it is obscenely expensive, unaffordable for many. Yet, high school is free in public schools.
Which society would respect people that are educated only?
Which society would respect people because they speak the language of the country they are at?
Aren´t societies expected to respect people that are respectable?
(where does language fits in the equation?
Are people an asset only if they speak a language or two?
What bout people that do blue-collar jobs?
is language proficiency required?
And no, I am not against people learning languages I am for people to have the freedom to decide what is best for them o better said: what they can afford regarding to learning a new language or getting an education.
Which society would respect people that are educated only?
Which society would respect people because they speak the language of the country they are at?
Aren´t societies expected to respect people that are respectable?
(where does language fits in the equation?
Are people an asset only if they speak a language or two?
What bout people that do blue-collar jobs?
is language proficiency required?
And no, I am not against people learning languages I am for people to have the freedom to decide what is best for them o better said: what they can afford regarding to learning a new language or getting an education.
It's not just about education, it is about the ability to adapt and change, and to learn the tools required to support yourself.
As a simple example, supposing you are a car mechanic, and you see that a truck mechanic earns more money than you, you decide to change your job and become a truck Mechanic, now a truck mechanic needs a different set of skills than those used for cars, if you applied for the job, and had done nothing to acquire those new skills, would you be surprised if you didn't get the job? Of course not, My point being, if you want to change your life, then you should learn the new skills you need for that new life, or stay as you are. You can't expect the boss of the truck company to spend his money on training you, when you may well either not be able to learn those skills, or worse, learn them and then go and work for a competitor.
In my example, the same idea for language skills, as those are needed in order to support yourself, whichever country you want to live in. Including white, blue, brown and yellow collar workers.
Hope that makes sense
As for the costs involved to learn a new language, well few things in life are free, is it so hard to work for something you want? Why should anyone expect to be given free training? I paid for my adult education, I wanted to become an English teacher. Even though I was a successful Engineer in my chosen career, so I paid for the required Exam courses and the exam fees, Which then enabled me to change my life direction; Since then I have acquired more qualifications, all at my expense, but the rewards I get from the job I now do, is priceless in comparison to the cost of achieving my goals.
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rizlared: It's not just about education, it is about the ability to adapt and change, and to learn the tools required to support yourself.
As a simple example, supposing you are a car mechanic, and you see that a truck mechanic earns more money than you, you decide to change your job and become a truck Mechanic, now a truck mechanic needs a different set of skills than those used for cars, if you applied for the job, and had done nothing to acquire those new skills, would you be surprised if you didn't get the job? Of course not, My point being, if you want to change your life, then you should learn the new skills you need for that new life, or stay as you are. You can't expect the boss of the truck company to spend his money on training you, when you may well either not be able to learn those skills, or worse, learn them and then go and work for a competitor.
In my example, the same idea for language skills, as those are needed in order to support yourself, whichever country you want to live in. Including white, blue, brown and yellow collar workers.
Hope that makes sense
As for the costs involved to learn a new language, well few things in life are free, is it so hard to work for something you want? Why should anyone expect to be given free training? I paid for my adult education, I wanted to become an English teacher. Even though I was a successful Engineer in my chosen career, so I paid for the required Exam courses and the exam fees, Which then enabled me to change my life direction; Since then I have acquired more qualifications, all at my expense, but the rewards I get from the job I now do, is priceless in comparison to the cost of achieving my goals.
As a simple example, supposing you are a car mechanic, and you see that a truck mechanic earns more money than you, you decide to change your job and become a truck Mechanic, now a truck mechanic needs a different set of skills than those used for cars, if you applied for the job, and had done nothing to acquire those new skills, would you be surprised if you didn't get the job? Of course not, My point being, if you want to change your life, then you should learn the new skills you need for that new life, or stay as you are. You can't expect the boss of the truck company to spend his money on training you, when you may well either not be able to learn those skills, or worse, learn them and then go and work for a competitor.
In my example, the same idea for language skills, as those are needed in order to support yourself, whichever country you want to live in. Including white, blue, brown and yellow collar workers.
Hope that makes sense
As for the costs involved to learn a new language, well few things in life are free, is it so hard to work for something you want? Why should anyone expect to be given free training? I paid for my adult education, I wanted to become an English teacher. Even though I was a successful Engineer in my chosen career, so I paid for the required Exam courses and the exam fees, Which then enabled me to change my life direction; Since then I have acquired more qualifications, all at my expense, but the rewards I get from the job I now do, is priceless in comparison to the cost of achieving my goals.
Ideally, yes people should adapt to the environment, the culture, the language, etc..yet not even natives adapt well always.
Now, on education:
Education is the best investment a gov can do:
Should education be free ? I do not believe so yet education should be affordable.
Regarding to the example of the mechanics, I hope I did understand it well with other example:
A person wishes to work in another country like China, that person does not speak Chinese neither write it. Should the Chinese kick that person out?
Shouldn't be in the best interest of that foreigner to adapt to the new -Chinese in this case- culture ?
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lifeisadream: Ideally, yes people should adapt to the environment, the culture, the language, etc..yet not even natives adapt well always.
Now, on education:
Education is the best investment a gov can do:
Should education be free ? I do not believe so yet education should be affordable.
Regarding to the example of the mechanics, I hope I did understand it well with other example:
A person wishes to work in another country like China, that person does not speak Chinese neither write it. Should the Chinese kick that person out?
Shouldn't be in the best interest of that foreigner to adapt to the new -Chinese in this case- culture ?
Now, on education:
Education is the best investment a gov can do:
Should education be free ? I do not believe so yet education should be affordable.
Regarding to the example of the mechanics, I hope I did understand it well with other example:
A person wishes to work in another country like China, that person does not speak Chinese neither write it. Should the Chinese kick that person out?
Shouldn't be in the best interest of that foreigner to adapt to the new -Chinese in this case- culture ?
Btw I am also an Engineer and I have paid for my education and my language education as well English and Italian.
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lifeisadream: Ideally, yes people should adapt to the environment, the culture, the language, etc..yet not even natives adapt well always.
Now, on education:
Education is the best investment a gov can do:
Should education be free ? I do not believe so yet education should be affordable.
Regarding to the example of the mechanics, I hope I did understand it well with other example:
A person wishes to work in another country like China, that person does not speak Chinese neither write it. Should the Chinese kick that person out?
Shouldn't be in the best interest of that foreigner to adapt to the new -Chinese in this case- culture ?
Now, on education:
Education is the best investment a gov can do:
Should education be free ? I do not believe so yet education should be affordable.
Regarding to the example of the mechanics, I hope I did understand it well with other example:
A person wishes to work in another country like China, that person does not speak Chinese neither write it. Should the Chinese kick that person out?
Shouldn't be in the best interest of that foreigner to adapt to the new -Chinese in this case- culture ?
To use my example, I learnt the skills required to maintain Trucks, being fluent in Chinese was not one of the requirements.
However, if China kicks me out for less than perfect language skills, then I would accept that, I wouldn't go screaming to all and sundry, saying that it was not fair and I deserve to keep my job. Their country, their rules!
If I decided to apply for citizenship, then I would learn the language better, but teaching and lecturing in English, about the English language, is what I am paid to do, plenty of Chinese teach and lecture English in Chinese, the fact their students learn more from me than the Chinese teachers, is the reason the Chinese Education Department employ me
(albeit on a renewable contract)! So no, as long as communication in Chinese is not a requirement for my work then I am happy to live and work in China. Although I have no intention of remaining here for much longer, a different life (country) is calling me------ This thread is Archived ------
rizlared: To use my example, I learnt the skills required to maintain Trucks, being fluent in Chinese was not one of the requirements.
However, if China kicks me out for less than perfect language skills, then I would accept that, I wouldn't go screaming to all and sundry, saying that it was not fair and I deserve to keep my job. Their country, their rules!
If I decided to apply for citizenship, then I would learn the language better, but teaching and lecturing in English, about the English language, is what I am paid to do, plenty of Chinese teach and lecture English in Chinese, the fact their students learn more from me than the Chinese teachers, is the reason the Chinese Education Department employ me (albeit on a renewable contract)! So no, as long as communication in Chinese is not a requirement for my work then I am happy to live and work in China. Although I have no intention of remaining here for much longer, a different life (country) is calling me
However, if China kicks me out for less than perfect language skills, then I would accept that, I wouldn't go screaming to all and sundry, saying that it was not fair and I deserve to keep my job. Their country, their rules!
If I decided to apply for citizenship, then I would learn the language better, but teaching and lecturing in English, about the English language, is what I am paid to do, plenty of Chinese teach and lecture English in Chinese, the fact their students learn more from me than the Chinese teachers, is the reason the Chinese Education Department employ me (albeit on a renewable contract)! So no, as long as communication in Chinese is not a requirement for my work then I am happy to live and work in China. Although I have no intention of remaining here for much longer, a different life (country) is calling me
"If I decided to apply for citizenship, then I would learn the language better,"
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Would this mean that deaf, mute, blind, severely dyslexic, brain damaged, etc., people would not be considered citizens?
(Lest we forget.)
(Lest we forget.)
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rizlared: I am becoming more and more of the opinion that if an individual wishes to assume a new nationality, they should be required to pass a language exam for the main language of that nation, an exam that tests all fours aspects of communication, namely, reading, writing speaking and listening; At a reasonable high school level.
When I listen to certain nationalities in the UK, I find myself unable to understand my own native language, it is surely important that a nations language is preserved and maintained, not simplified and corrupted just to suit those who think their basic skills are enough.
Or maybe I am just over reacting??
Thoughts??
When I listen to certain nationalities in the UK, I find myself unable to understand my own native language, it is surely important that a nations language is preserved and maintained, not simplified and corrupted just to suit those who think their basic skills are enough.
Or maybe I am just over reacting??
Thoughts??
I don't have any intention to change nationalities, but being fluent in English and being socially integrated in the country I live was something I made an effort once I decided to stay.
It took me about 3 month to understand the locals, about 3/4 of a year to be fully fluent and at this stage I have done a Masters here. To have a good life in another country the ability to earn an adequate wage, being socially integrated, having friends and a social life is vital.
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lifeisadream: ...
Here there are about 100,000 Mennonites and most of them speak their own language only and they have the Mexican Citizenship, should they be sent back to their country of origin? I do not think so...
Here there are about 100,000 Mennonites and most of them speak their own language only and they have the Mexican Citizenship, should they be sent back to their country of origin? I do not think so...
Interesting...
Part four: Low German Mennonite History. From Canada to Mexico
"..March 1, 1922, the first train with Old Colony Mennonites emigrants left Canada for Mexico.....
...But here in Mexico, they found the freedom to live their faith and lifestyle similar to that of their forefathers in Russia. Their churches, their schools, and their village affairs were entirely left up to their control. Here they were an isolated group among natives with whom they couldn't communicate. To the leaders, this appeared to be a protection from the world. "
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