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Jan 25, 2017 12:48 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
SistaCallie
SistaCallieSistaCalliePokemon, Texas USA139 Threads 1 Polls 795 Posts
Report: Trump to Sign Orders Limiting Immigration, Refugees
The orders are expected to be signed this week and are said to target travelers from predominantly Muslim countries.
By Paul D. Shinkman | Senior National Security Writer Jan. 24, 2017, at 7:13 p.m.


President Donald Trump is poised to sign executive orders as soon as Wednesday that would limit immigration and the flow of refugees into the United States, restricting access from some predominantly Islamic countries, according to media reports.

Citing congressional aides and immigration experts, Reuters initially reported Tuesday that Trump plans to sign orders Wednesday at the Department of Homeland Security that would restrict travel to the U.S. for refugees and some visa holders from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. The Washington Post, however, reported late Tuesday that the president plans to sign orders related to a border wall and sanctuary cities on Wednesday, then move to immigration- and refugee-related orders later this week.

Trump tweeted late Tuesday that he had a "big day planned on NATIONAL SECURITY tomorrow," and referenced his central campaign promise of building a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico.

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Big day planned on NATIONAL SECURITY tomorrow. Among many other things, we will build the wall!
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Trump on the campaign trail also called for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S. and for “extreme vetting” of refugees without providing an explanation for how that would differ Today from existing stringent government reviews of refugee applications.

Syria has the lowest proportion of Muslim residents among the countries Reuters’ sources cited, at 87 percent, according to the CIA World Fact Book. The others are more than 96 percent Muslim.

Those countries were all included as regional threats in last year’s Worldwide Threat Assessment, a document produced annually by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence that’s considered the intelligence community’s general assessment of threats to U.S. national security. Other predominantly Muslim countries included in the threat report that weren’t specified by Reuters’ sources include Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Egypt and Pakistan. The report also identifies terrorism threats in places like North Africa and Europe.

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, a retired Marine four-star general, told members of Congress during his nomination hearing earlier this month that he considered an exclusion based solely on religion to be a mistake and a potential danger in itself.

"I don't think it's ever appropriate to focus on something like religion as the only factor," Kelly said. He recounted his time as a combat commander in Iraq when U.S. forces had to win over the trust of religious leaders.

"Our success in Iraq, certainly my time in Iraq, was because I outreached with people across the spectrum of society, all of whom were Muslim," Kelly said. "We convinced them we were there for good, not evil, that we were there to protect them."

Muslims made up roughly half of the 85,000 refugees who entered the U.S. during fiscal 2016, according to the Pew Research Center. The other half were almost all Christians.

USNews.com
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Jan 25, 2017 12:55 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
SistaCallie
SistaCallieSistaCalliePokemon, Texas USA139 Threads 1 Polls 795 Posts
Trump campaigned on pledges to tighten U.S. immigration policies, including beefing up border security and stemming the flow of refugees. He also called for halting entry to the U.S. from Muslim countries, but later shifted the policy to a focus on what he called “extreme vetting” for those coming from countries with terrorism ties.

As president, Trump can use an executive order to halt refugee processing. President George W. Bush used that same power in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Refugee security vetting was reviewed and the process was restarted several months later.

While the specific of Trump’s orders were unclear, both officials said Wednesday’s actions would focus in part on the president’s plans to construct a wall along the southern border with Mexico. He has insisted Mexico would pay for the wall, though the Mexican government has repeatedly said it would not.

Mexico has repeatedly said it will not pay for any border wall. Earlier this month, Trump said the building project would initially be paid for with a congressionally approved spending bill and Mexico will eventually reimburse the U.S., though he has not specified how he would guarantee payments.

Trump will meet with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto at the White House next week.

In claiming authority to build a wall, Trump may rely on a 2006 law that authorized several hundred miles of fencing along the 2,000-mile frontier. That bill led to the construction of about 700 miles of various kinds of fencing designed to block both vehicles and pedestrians.

The Secure Fence Act was signed by then-President George W. Bush and the majority of the fencing in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California was built before he left office. The last remnants were completed after President Barack Obama took office in 2009.

The Trump administration also must adhere to a decades-old border treaty with Mexico that limits where and how structures can be built along the border. The 1970 treaty requires that structures cannot disrupt the flow of the rivers, which define the U.S.-Mexican border along Texas and 24 miles in Arizona, according to The International Boundary and Water Commission, a joint U.S.-Mexican agency that administers the treaty.]/b]

Other executive actions expected Wednesday include bolstering border patrol agents and ending what Republicans have argued is a catch-and-release system at the border. Currently, some immigrants caught crossing the border illegally are given notices to report back to immigration officials at a later date.

If Trump’s actions would result in those caught being immediately jailed, the administration would have to grapple with how to pay for jail space to detain everyone and what to do with children caught crossing the border with their parents.

WashingtonTimes.com
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Jan 25, 2017 1:39 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Build the wall, people will write on it.
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Jan 25, 2017 2:58 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
Limiting immigration doesn't sound like a ban to me...
Angela Merkel is now deporting illegal immigrants and also put a limit on refugees...
Don't try make a storm in a glass of water Sis... scold
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Jan 25, 2017 3:25 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
Limiting the influx of migrants, especially those of Islamic faith, doesn't necessarily stop the threat of a terrorist attack, when you consider that in recent times, most damage was caused by "home grown" terrorists.
With technology so advanced, instructions to plot , can be sent from anywhere on the planet.
So If mr Trump thinks that by placing a ban on Muslim migration, is the answer, then he is very naive & will be in for a nasty surprise, unless he implements an intelligence team capable of thwarting any potential attack.
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Jan 25, 2017 3:29 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
pat8lanips
pat8lanipspat8lanipsbabinda, Queensland Australia67 Threads 14 Polls 6,372 Posts
Probably wont stop the threat, certainly wont increase it either... Why do the muslims want to go to a land full of people they dont like? They go through half a dozen muslim countries to get here, then complain its not an islamic country.
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Jan 25, 2017 3:34 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
pat8lanips: Probably wont stop the threat, certainly wont increase it either... Why do the muslims want to go to a land full of people they dont like? They go through half a dozen muslim countries to get here, then complain its not an islamic country.




That is a mystery to me too Pat, a big, smelly mystery... dunno
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Jan 25, 2017 3:36 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
One2note: Limiting the influx of migrants, especially those of Islamic faith, doesn't necessarily stop the threat of a terrorist attack, when you consider that in recent times, most damage was caused by "home grown" terrorists.
With technology so advanced, instructions to plot , can be sent from anywhere on the planet.
So If mr Trump thinks that by placing a ban on Muslim migration, is the answer, then he is very naive & will be in for a nasty surprise, unless he implements an intelligence team capable of thwarting any potential attack.






Easily influences by foreign terrorist...doesn't it says something J?
confused
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Jan 25, 2017 4:16 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
KremaP: Easily influences by foreign terrorist...doesn't it says something J?


It can mean several things but my point is , that stopping immigration doesn't automatically stop the threat of a terrorist attack.
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Jan 25, 2017 4:30 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
One2note: It can mean several things but my point is , that stopping immigration doesn't automatically stop the threat of a terrorist attack.





It isn't stopping it, just control it, nothing wrong with that...
And yes, you can reduce the threat with more careful immigration policy...
What Mohamed Ali said always comes to mind, "If there are 1000 snake at your door and you knew only 10 of them are poisonous, would you let them all in? "... dunno
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Jan 25, 2017 4:44 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts





I know many will jump telling me ACT! are anti Muslim organisation, even if they are against radical Islamism and anti Sharia law, but she is right...
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Jan 25, 2017 5:38 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
One2note: It can mean several things but my point is , that stopping immigration doesn't automatically stop the threat of a terrorist attack.


so,doing nothing is making more sense,than doing whatever is possible to diminish the Threat?confused
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Jan 25, 2017 6:34 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
One2note
One2noteOne2noteLondon, Essex, England UK286 Threads 3 Polls 7,606 Posts
Conrad73: so,doing nothing is making more sense,than doing whatever is possible to diminish the Threat?


No, I'm saying that a stricter immigration policy, doesn't necessarily eliminate the threat..
A tight security policy will limit the chances of a repeat of the recent events in France & the US..
Trump's contradiction in his tightening security policy & the lapse gun laws makes me question if he indeed, has clear policy to prevent a home grown terror attack.
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Jan 25, 2017 7:24 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Conrad73: so,doing nothing is making more sense,than doing whatever is possible to diminish the Threat?


Yep, and some folks want to believe that non-Muslims from other countries are feeding the resources of death to home-grown converts and long ago terrorist implants. frustrated
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Jan 25, 2017 7:30 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
One2note: No, I'm saying that a stricter immigration policy, doesn't necessarily eliminate the threat..
A tight security policy will limit the chances of a repeat of the recent events in France & the US..
Trump's contradiction in his tightening security policy & the lapse gun laws makes me question if he indeed, has clear policy to prevent a home grown terror attack.


When did Trump say he is going to lapse gun laws? scold contrary, he wants to strengthen the good existing gun laws... yay and return to practicing what worked before (profiling) the insane political correctness period was forced down the people's throats.
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Jan 25, 2017 11:23 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
The White House and the Department of Homeland Security declined to comment. Trump hinted at an announcement in a Tweet on Tuesday night.

Trump expected to order temporary ban on refugees


Donald Trump Moving Forward With Muslim Ban In New Executive Order







Thanks for the long book Sista,
you missed to pay attention to some very important words in it...
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Jan 25, 2017 11:47 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
rmac318
rmac318rmac318West Monroe, Louisiana USA16 Threads 237 Posts
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Sorry, but that gif just cracks me up everytimelaugh


On a serious note, does anyone have any specifications on the wall? I'm all for any country securing it's borders....hell, I don't let strangers off the street just walk into my house, make a sandwich, drink my bourbon, then leave whenever the hell they want, they have to knock first and then I decide if I want to let them in....but that wall better be a damn good wall. Those pesky Messicans, or, the bad hombres Messicans, if you will, are an innovative bunch. There have been some pretty elaborate tunnel systems found already.
And if a tunnel won't work.....


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Gonna hafta be one hell of a high wall frustrated <--- Just a little wall humorlaugh


Yea yea, some may think parts of this post are....


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.....forgive me, just having a little internet fun lol.('Mexican' isn't a race anyway)

In all seriousness, immigrants, come one, come all....just do it LEGALLY. This ain't rocket science.
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Jan 25, 2017 11:59 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
BuddyLegend
BuddyLegendBuddyLegendManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK97 Posts
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Jan 25, 2017 11:59 AM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
rmac318: Sorry, but that gif just cracks me up everytime


On a serious note, does anyone have any specifications on the wall? I'm all for any country securing it's borders....hell, I don't let strangers off the street just walk into my house, make a sandwich, drink my bourbon, then leave whenever the hell they want, they have to knock first and then I decide if I want to let them in....but that wall better be a damn good wall. Those pesky Messicans, or, the bad hombres Messicans, if you will, are an innovative bunch. There have been some pretty elaborate tunnel systems found already.
And if a tunnel won't work.....





Gonna hafta be one hell of a high wall <--- Just a little wall humor


Yea yea, some may think parts of this post are....





.....forgive me, just having a little internet fun lol.('Mexican' isn't a race anyway)

In all seriousness, immigrants, come one, come all....just do it LEGALLY. This ain't rocket science.






Yes, it has become absolutely ridiculous how we are not allowed to protect our borders anymore and be criticised for treating badly illegal immigrants...meaning we can not actually arrest them for breaching our sovereignty...
Shall we all remove our borders and make everyone happy...





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Jan 25, 2017 1:45 PM CST Trump To Signs Two Executive Orders: Ban Muslims & Build The Wall
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
rmac318: Sorry, but that gif just cracks me up everytime


On a serious note, does anyone have any specifications on the wall? I'm all for any country securing it's borders....hell, I don't let strangers off the street just walk into my house, make a sandwich, drink my bourbon, then leave whenever the hell they want, they have to knock first and then I decide if I want to let them in....but that wall better be a damn good wall. Those pesky Messicans, or, the bad hombres Messicans, if you will, are an innovative bunch. There have been some pretty elaborate tunnel systems found already.
And if a tunnel won't work.....





Gonna hafta be one hell of a high wall <--- Just a little wall humor


Yea yea, some may think parts of this post are....





.....forgive me, just having a little internet fun lol.('Mexican' isn't a race anyway)

In all seriousness, immigrants, come one, come all....just do it LEGALLY. This ain't rocket science.



Embedded image from another site



laugh
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