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Feb 26, 2017 12:56 PM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
stringman
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Feb 26, 2017 1:44 PM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
Israel's 6 day war in history. Egypt was the charge as all surrounding countries were preparing to annihilate Israel once and for all(Lebanon seems to be a primary staging area). Most won't tell of the terrorism Israel was going through after the U.N. gave them their lands back. In defense, Israel decided to fight instead of laying down against all. They not only won against what were supposed to be impossible odds, they expanded their borders. Israel was in a forced situation and deserves those lands. The terrorism has never ceased and it actually helps them to secure much better. It most likely will never cease for many of the countries in that region. We're still not sure just how much is waiting globally.

As far as the U.N. goes, if we had a president in favor of our allies, the bill to prevent Israel from building would have been vetoed. There is a lot of speculation as to why Egypt didn't stand it's ground and continue to stall it.

With the ousting of morsi, the new Egyptian president, referred to as Sisi, has been able to actually increase ties with Israel, with out the U.S., and they are dependent on each other for many reasons; security and terrorism top the list as well as mediators in certain political ties for each other. It seems they have great capacity together, if they can truly trust one another while working together.

We should dump the U.N. On the down side, if we do, what do we risk as far as helping or maybe protecting some of our allies? We have an actual leader in favor of our allies and skeptical of known enemies or threats, there is a lot to iron out, and it may not be close to pretty with the major mess left on the global, political scale. Enough that I won't even try to say major conflicts will be averted. I just hope that they will be.

For people that refer to the Bible, it's foretold that Israel will never have peace, even after having been allowed to return to their lands. They will always have opposition. There is also written warning about leaning on Egypt.
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Feb 26, 2017 1:50 PM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Israel was given a piece Palestinian land in 1948.
and it seems ,not happy with that piece,
so they want the whole Palestinian land,
and the Palestinians refugees..
In other words the Israely settlers+refugees of 1948,
they want the Palestinians out of their ancencors land,
and the rest of Palestine to themselves.
Step by step.
1) Balfour Declaration
2) British Mandate
3) UN 1948, decides to recognize Israel to own
part of Palestinian land.
4) Now days they claim the rest of Palestinian land,
with the Palestinians out of Palestine,
and the whole of the Palestinian land to belong to Israel.

This world has become so unjust, for some race groups
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Feb 26, 2017 2:32 PM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
chris27292729: Israel was given a piece Palestinian land in 1948.
and it seems ,not happy with that piece,
so they want the whole Palestinian land,
and the Palestinians refugees..
In other words the Israely settlers+refugees of 1948,
they want the Palestinians out of their ancencors land,
and the rest of Palestine to themselves.
Step by step.
1) Balfour Declaration
2) British Mandate
3) UN 1948, decides to recognize Israel to own
part of Palestinian land.
4) Now days they claim the rest of Palestinian land,
with the Palestinians out of Palestine,
and the whole of the Palestinian land to belong to Israel.

This world has become so unjust, for some race groups


Chris I understand that by account of origin Israel has the right to claim.

Of course by law of cessation Palestinian has to earn it through war, my question us, if it's bound to happen, why not face up for the challenge, settle once and for all.

This to me will settle for the future if the whole place, much like the 6 days war. Instead of peeling the skin piece by piece, settle through war, end ut, the Victor declares the wage and the loser pays.
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Feb 26, 2017 2:34 PM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
Draegoneer: Israel's 6 day war in history. Egypt was the charge as all surrounding countries were preparing to annihilate Israel once and for all(Lebanon seems to be a primary staging area). Most won't tell of the terrorism Israel was going through after the U.N. gave them their lands back. In defense, Israel decided to fight instead of laying down against all. They not only won against what were supposed to be impossible odds, they expanded their borders. Israel was in a forced situation and deserves those lands. The terrorism has never ceased and it actually helps them to secure much better. It most likely will never cease for many of the countries in that region. We're still not sure just how much is waiting globally.

As far as the U.N. goes, if we had a president in favor of our allies, the bill to prevent Israel from building would have been vetoed. There is a lot of speculation as to why Egypt didn't stand it's ground and continue to stall it.

With the ousting of morsi, the new Egyptian president, referred to as Sisi, has been able to actually increase ties with Israel, with out the U.S., and they are dependent on each other for many reasons; security and terrorism top the list as well as mediators in certain political ties for each other. It seems they have great capacity together, if they can truly trust one another while working together.

We should dump the U.N. On the down side, if we do, what do we risk as far as helping or maybe protecting some of our allies? We have an actual leader in favor of our allies and skeptical of known enemies or threats, there is a lot to iron out, and it may not be close to pretty with the major mess left on the global, political scale. Enough that I won't even try to say major conflicts will be averted. I just hope that they will be.

For people that refer to the Bible, it's foretold that Israel will never have peace, even after having been allowed to return to their lands. They will always have opposition. There is also written warning about leaning on Egypt.


If the UN fails to do what it was intended to do, I don't mind having it dismantled.

But with or without the UN, resolution of this conflict needs to be done to save both worlds for peace. MO
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Feb 26, 2017 8:24 PM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
lindsyjones: If the UN fails to do what it was intended to do, I don't mind having it dismantled.

But with or without the UN, resolution of this conflict needs to be done to save both worlds for peace. MO



That is the problem. I'm not afraid to say that I am no longer sure just what the U.N. is for any more. Dismantling it might be a better move.

It was the U.N. that helped to give Israel their lands back. It was the U.N. pulling security between the 2nd and 3rd Arab-Israeli war before Egypt had them leave. It's the U.N. that is supposed to be upholding sanctions against any country they're put on and performing inspections according to guidelines during those sanctions. We've seen quite a bit over all as to how and what it can help with.

A place for world leaders to meet to help decide the fate of the world on major issues such as poverty, development, disarmament, etc. Hard for me to describe but it's doing and controlling much more than it should be. Maybe more like slowly taking a lot of actual sovereignty away from individual nations and countries of the world the longer it's allowed to continue. It's not exactly a court of law or considering major events as they have happened from history to present, and certainly not upholding many past decisions. Leaders and representatives change much more, which doesn't help a bit. I can see where people might come up with a new world order theory.

If political powers join together for their own interests instead of the events, people, and situations, the U.N. is no longer useful. It's just another political tool to dictate over other regions where only the biggest and strongest will have control. Nothing in the way to save them unless veto power nations actually work to be fair. If a nation or more start a war and lose, they can live with their losses as punishment. There is currently nothing to make a country think twice as long as they have strong enough political ties in the U.N.
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Feb 27, 2017 3:16 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
The Vision behind establishing the UN was to prevent World Wars. It is the latest version of the "League of Nations"

formed after World War I.

It has succeeded in preventing World Wars. It has given too much clout to governments that take rights from their

citizens. It has allowed bad things to happen in the name of having "world peace" at all costs.
Anon.
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Feb 27, 2017 3:20 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
Dedovix
DedovixDedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia12 Threads 1 Polls 5,492 Posts
lindsyjones: I was listening to the speech of Nicky Haley, the UN Ambassador from the US, and claims that UN is so anti or biased against Israel, why could this be?

I don't know how to upload the video, and if someone can help me, I appreciate.


to increase traffic of shellfish and pork...uh oh
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Feb 27, 2017 3:22 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
Dedovix: to increase traffic of shellfish and pork...

Borsten-Vieh und Schweine-Speck?laugh
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Feb 27, 2017 3:30 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
Dedovix
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Conrad73: Borsten-Vieh und Schweine-Speck?
laugh laugh laugh
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Feb 27, 2017 4:16 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
lindsyjones: Chris I understand that by account of origin Israel has the right to claim.

Of course by law of cessation Palestinian has to earn it through war, my question us, if it's bound to happen, why not face up for the challenge, settle once and for all.

This to me will settle for the future if the whole place, much like the 6 days war. Instead of peeling the skin piece by piece, settle through war, end ut, the Victor declares the wage and the loser pays.


""Account of origin""???? is this a new territorial term.
Then pack your bags,and all Americans,but the natives,go back from where you were coming from..
Palestinians to fight for their land,which was stolen from them,just because the British,having
the mandate,and promised to resettle Jews in Palestine, and have to live in enclaves, while
the new comers (israelis),occupy the majority of Palestian land.
This is FIRST in History . A human race Jews to have abandon their land, for better pastures
and 2000 years after, to return and claiming it as their ancensors land,while the land,had
new occupants for the last 2000 years the Palestinians.
My opinion is, that the Israelis don't want to live side by side with the Palestinians,
and we must not forget that are Palestinians forced to abandon their land,for the
new settlers,the Israelis,and is Palestinians who they still live in camps in Jordan,
Libanon,and Syria.
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Feb 27, 2017 4:52 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
chris27292729: ""Account of origin""???? is this a new territorial term.
Then pack your bags,and all Americans,but the natives,go back from where you were coming from..
Palestinians to fight for their land,which was stolen from them,just because the British,having
the mandate,and promised to resettle Jews in Palestine, and have to live in enclaves, while
the new comers (israelis),occupy the majority of Palestian land.
This is FIRST in History . A human race Jews to have abandon their land, for better pastures
and 2000 years after, to return and claiming it as their ancensors land,while the land,had
new occupants for the last 2000 years the Palestinians.
My opinion is, that the Israelis don't want to live side by side with the Palestinians,
and we must not forget that are Palestinians forced to abandon their land,for the
new settlers,the Israelis,and is Palestinians who they still live in camps in Jordan,
Libanon,and Syria.
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing doh
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Feb 27, 2017 5:41 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
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Feb 27, 2017 7:33 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
chris27292729: Israel was given a piece Palestinian land in 1948.
and it seems ,not happy with that piece,
so they want the whole Palestinian land,
and the Palestinians refugees..
In other words the Israely settlers+refugees of 1948,
they want the Palestinians out of their ancencors land,
and the rest of Palestine to themselves.
Step by step.
1) Balfour Declaration
2) British Mandate
3) UN 1948, decides to recognize Israel to own
part of Palestinian land.
4) Now days they claim the rest of Palestinian land,
with the Palestinians out of Palestine,
and the whole of the Palestinian land to belong to Israel.

This world has become so unjust, for some race groups


"Chris they want the Palestinians out of their ancestors" land"

Chris, wouldn't you?

Now if and when the Israelites feel compelled for them to do, what is the course of action you think is appropriate for them to do? War, isn't it? Whoever is the strongest prevail, after all that is what the Palestinian did when they drove off their land.
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Feb 27, 2017 7:47 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
chris27292729: ""Account of origin""???? is this a new territorial term.
Then pack your bags,and all Americans,but the natives,go back from where you were coming from..
Palestinians to fight for their land,which was stolen from them,just because the British,having
the mandate,and promised to resettle Jews in Palestine, and have to live in enclaves, while
the new comers (israelis),occupy the majority of Palestian land.
This is FIRST in History . A human race Jews to have abandon their land, for better pastures
and 2000 years after, to return and claiming it as their ancensors land,while the land,had
new occupants for the last 2000 years the Palestinians.
My opinion is, that the Israelis don't want to live side by side with the Palestinians,
and we must not forget that are Palestinians forced to abandon their land,for the
new settlers,the Israelis,and is Palestinians who they still live in camps in Jordan,
Libanon,and Syria.



"Then pack your bags,and all Americans,but the natives,go back from where you were coming from.."

I don't want to consider this thought of you as stupid Chris, meaning you return all the lands the colonizers grab from the natives and each of the world's population who is not indigenous to where they were will go back?

What are you thinking really? First off the Natives of the US is not in anyway wanting their land back to be theirs if that is what you meant. Second, after a war is done, the victor decides what to do with their loot.

Now let us fast forward the scenario if you believe that war is the only tool that can resolve this problem, DIDN'T ISRAEL DEFEATED AGAINST ALL ODDS, all the countries that has always been against them? Jordan,
Egypt, and Syria?

Now the conflict is as we can all see, that Israel keeps getting more land that what UN has resolved for them.

What is the best way to handle this then?

For me, leave them alone and if Israel wants to get back what was their Ancestor's as you said, declare war against whom would oppose that.

The problem is, it was Jordan that had occupied that land before it was given to the Israelites. Right?
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Feb 27, 2017 7:49 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
I was laughing too, at how inane can a very seemingly intelligent man could ever think of this let alone say it?

C. I am still laughing.
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Feb 27, 2017 7:50 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
Can you give your opinion on this Karlo? If you don't mind.
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Feb 27, 2017 7:54 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
Draegoneer: That is the problem. I'm not afraid to say that I am no longer sure just what the U.N. is for any more. Dismantling it might be a better move.

It was the U.N. that helped to give Israel their lands back. It was the U.N. pulling security between the 2nd and 3rd Arab-Israeli war before Egypt had them leave. It's the U.N. that is supposed to be upholding sanctions against any country they're put on and performing inspections according to guidelines during those sanctions. We've seen quite a bit over all as to how and what it can help with.

A place for world leaders to meet to help decide the fate of the world on major issues such as poverty, development, disarmament, etc. Hard for me to describe but it's doing and controlling much more than it should be. Maybe more like slowly taking a lot of actual sovereignty away from individual nations and countries of the world the longer it's allowed to continue. It's not exactly a court of law or considering major events as they have happened from history to present, and certainly not upholding many past decisions. Leaders and representatives change much more, which doesn't help a bit. I can see where people might come up with a new world order theory.

If political powers join together for their own interests instead of the events, people, and situations, the U.N. is no longer useful. It's just another political tool to dictate over other regions where only the biggest and strongest will have control. Nothing in the way to save them unless veto power nations actually work to be fair. If a nation or more start a war and lose, they can live with their losses as punishment. There is currently nothing to make a country think twice as long as they have strong enough political ties in the U.N.


Dragon, how are you?

I know what are the fundamental principles that gave the conception on the creation of the UN, just like C said, it was the offshoot of the League of Nation that got formed in 1919 in order to settle international dispute instead of just going to war.

The UN became more sophisticated and included almost all countries and not just Europe.
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Feb 27, 2017 10:57 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
lindsyjones: "Then pack your bags,and all Americans,but the natives,go back from where you were coming from.."

I don't want to consider this thought of you as stupid Chris, meaning you return all the lands the colonizers grab from the natives and each of the world's population who is not indigenous to where they were will go back?

What are you thinking really? First off the Natives of the US is not in anyway wanting their land back to be theirs if that is what you meant. Second, after a war is done, the victor decides what to do with their loot.

Now let us fast forward the scenario if you believe that war is the only tool that can resolve this problem, DIDN'T ISRAEL DEFEATED AGAINST ALL ODDS, all the countries that has always been against them? Jordan,
Egypt, and Syria?

Now the conflict is as we can all see, that Israel keeps getting more land that what UN has resolved for them.

What is the best way to handle this then?

For me, leave them alone and if Israel wants to get back what was their Ancestor's as you said, declare war against whom would oppose that.

The problem is, it was Jordan that had occupied that land before it was given to the Israelites. Right?




The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians as i see it,is this.
The Jews after abandoned their land 2000 years ago,they returned after 2000 years and reclaimed it,and at the same time,uprooted the Palestinians,forcing them to abandon their land,to the new occupants the Israelis.-
And who was behind it,the British and their mandate..
It seems to me, someone offered the Israelis a helping hand,and a small piece of land to resettle,and
now they want,to grab the whole arm,from their beneficiaries.Their practice forcing the Palestinians out
of their land,as well reducing their numbers in Palestine,are similar of the Germans against the Jews.
,during WW2..-It is clear the Israelis, do not want to live side by side with the remaining Palestinians.
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Feb 27, 2017 11:16 AM CST Why UN is anti Israel?
rizlaredonline today!
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chris27292729: The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians as i see it,is this.
The Jews after abandoned their land 2000 years ago,they returned after 2000 years and reclaimed it,and at the same time,uprooted the Palestinians,forcing them to abandon their land,to the new occupants the Israelis.-
And who was behind it,the British and their mandate..
It seems to me, someone offered the Israelis a helping hand,and a small piece of land to resettle,and
now they want,to grab the whole arm,from their beneficiaries.Their practice forcing the Palestinians out
of their land,as well reducing their numbers in Palestine,are similar of the Germans against the Jews.
,during WW2..-It is clear the Israelis, do not want to live side by side with the remaining Palestinians.


What is clear is that you have no understanding of the conflict, neither do you understand or be willing to accept the truth about the history of Israel and Palestine.

For years the Israelis have put forward the two nation policy, and every time the Palestinians have rejected it.

I don't agree with Netanyahu and what he is now proposing, but can understand his motivation, you can only offer something so many times, only to have it refused, before you decide not to offer it any more.
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