chris27292729: The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians as i see it,is this. The Jews after abandoned their land 2000 years ago,they returned after 2000 years and reclaimed it,and at the same time,uprooted the Palestinians,forcing them to abandon their land,to the new occupants the Israelis.- And who was behind it,the British and their mandate.. It seems to me, someone offered the Israelis a helping hand,and a small piece of land to resettle,and now they want,to grab the whole arm,from their beneficiaries.Their practice forcing the Palestinians out of their land,as well reducing their numbers in Palestine,are similar of the Germans against the Jews. ,during WW2..-It is clear the Israelis, do not want to live side by side with the remaining Palestinians.
You don't supposed that the Jews simply abandoned their land for the sake of abandonment do you?
Because if that is the case then yes, perhaps, we should not give it back to them.
But as you said: they are reclaiming what is actually owned by their ancestors. Now if in their absence and some people went to live in it and want it back but refuse to give it, then what, that is where conflict starts. So let us see with an arm wrestle who can live to the demands of wars and resolve it once and for all.
rizlared: What is clear is that you have no understanding of the conflict, neither do you understand or be willing to accept the truth about the history of Israel and Palestine.
For years the Israelis have put forward the two nation policy, and every time the Palestinians have rejected it.
I don't agree with Netanyahu and what he is now proposing, but can understand his motivation, you can only offer something so many times, only to have it refused, before you decide not to offer it any more.
Rizla, nice to see you here.
I believe at this time, there is only one way to resolve this once and for all. Let he who has the guts do what it wants to do, war or not and if he prevails so be it. I am sure the next step is for the vanquish to beef up its power, declare opposition, another war, and the cycle never ends.
For right now, these bickering and the biased of the UN against Israel is just ridiculous.
lindsyjones: Can you give your opinion on this Karlo? If you don't mind.
You should see the movie Exodus with Paul Newman and Eva Marie Saint. It is about the formation of Israel which was made by the United Nations voting for it in 1948. I posted the movie to this thread. It won the Academy Award for Best Music Score in 1961.
KarloradoFL: You should see the movie Exodus with Paul Newman and Eva Marie Saint. It is about the formation of Israel which was made by the United Nations voting for it in 1948. I posted the movie to this thread. It won the Academy Award for Best Music Score in 1961.
In other words that land by the power of God is theirs. I do believe that Karlo, I'm not into movies that much but I hope that's the whole point.
"Why could this be?" Well, obviously, despite the U.S.S. LIBERTY incident and Israel's threats to use it's "SAMPSON OPTION" against us (nuke the U.S.), our govt. allows them to continue being the worst terrorist state second only to America. Most of the world, however, condemns Israel for illegal occupation and genocide.
lindsyjones: In other words that land by the power of God is theirs. I do believe that Karlo, I'm not into movies that much but I hope that's the whole point.
. Who says "God" said that? The Hebrew scribes who wrote it? Even if "God" DID say it, only 5% of the people calling themselves Jews today have any genetic relation to the original twelve tribes. Ask any anthropologist.
I believe at this time, there is only one way to resolve this once and for all. Let he who has the guts do what it wants to do, war or not and if he prevails so be it. I am sure the next step is for the vanquish to beef up its power, declare opposition, another war, and the cycle never ends.
For right now, these bickering and the biased of the UN against Israel is just ridiculous.
. It is a lie and a myth that Israel was perpetually offering olive branches and two state solutions only to be perpetually ignored or refused. The Palestinians desperately exhausted every legal remedy possible. They're not stupid. They know Israel has billions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer money worth of the latest weaponry and that they don't even have an actual military themselves. It's a ridiculous assertion.
gs1135: "Why could this be?" Well, obviously, despite the U.S.S. LIBERTY incident and Israel's threats to use it's "SAMPSON OPTION" against us (nuke the U.S.), our govt. allows them to continue being the worst terrorist state second only to America. Most of the world, however, condemns Israel for illegal occupation and genocide.
gs1135: . Who says "God" said that? The Hebrew scribes who wrote it? Even if "God" DID say it, only 5% of the people calling themselves Jews today have any genetic relation to the original twelve tribes. Ask any anthropologist.
Well Jew us a tribe that grows much like any tribe, so to me, they're still the same people.
Humanity is the same way I don't believe that's what you're saying is when the regional tribe members are all dead then that's the end of the Jewish people. Doesn't make sense thanks anyways.
. It is a lie and a myth that Israel was perpetually offering olive branches and two state solutions only to be perpetually ignored or refused. The Palestinians desperately exhausted every legal remedy possible. They're not stupid. They know Israel has billions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer money worth of the latest weaponry and that they don't even have an actual military themselves. It's a ridiculous assertion. By "guts" I assume you mean ridiculously disproportionate advantage in U.S. taxpayer funded high tech weaponry, and the desire to kill yet more innocent civilians in tremendously disproportionate numbers to any Israeli casualties and the continued bleated assertion that you are victims?
gs1135: . It is a lie and a myth that Israel was perpetually offering olive branches and two state solutions only to be perpetually ignored or refused. The Palestinians desperately exhausted every legal remedy possible. They're not stupid. They know Israel has billions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer money worth of the latest weaponry and that they don't even have an actual military themselves. It's a ridiculous assertion. By "guts" I assume you mean ridiculously disproportionate advantage in U.S. taxpayer funded high tech weaponry, and the desire to kill yet more innocent civilians in tremendously disproportionate numbers to any Israeli casualties and the continued bleated assertion that you are victims?
gs1135: "Why could this be?" Well, obviously, despite the U.S.S. LIBERTY incident and Israel's threats to use it's "SAMPSON OPTION" against us (nuke the U.S.), our govt. allows them to continue being the worst terrorist state second only to America. Most of the world, however, condemns Israel for illegal occupation and genocide.
same old tired debunked anti-Israel garbage! How about you Guys get into some new stuff!
"Debunked"? You mean by the pilots who recently came forward to apologise for their part in strafing the LIBERTY's lifeboats because their conscience demanded it? Too bad for you there WERE survivors who talked. Despite yours and our govts forbidding it.
And while you're at it, chew on this for a while: There's more Americans every day waking up to the fact that MOSSAD engineered 9/11, just to have us fight proxy wars for YOU.. What do you suppose will happen when a critical mass knows?
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The Jews after abandoned their land 2000 years ago,they returned after 2000 years and reclaimed it,and at the same time,uprooted the Palestinians,forcing them to abandon their land,to the new occupants the Israelis.-
And who was behind it,the British and their mandate..
It seems to me, someone offered the Israelis a helping hand,and a small piece of land to resettle,and
now they want,to grab the whole arm,from their beneficiaries.Their practice forcing the Palestinians out
of their land,as well reducing their numbers in Palestine,are similar of the Germans against the Jews.
,during WW2..-It is clear the Israelis, do not want to live side by side with the remaining Palestinians.
You don't supposed that the Jews simply abandoned their land for the sake of abandonment do you?
Because if that is the case then yes, perhaps, we should not give it back to them.
But as you said: they are reclaiming what is actually owned by their ancestors. Now if in their absence and some people went to live in it and want it back but refuse to give it, then what, that is where conflict starts. So let us see with an arm wrestle who can live to the demands of wars and resolve it once and for all.