Coal miners believe NMP Trump is their savior (80)
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ooby_dooby: They are mistaken. There is nothing he can do to create more jobs in coal country by pimping the use of coal in industry such as power plants. The world has evolved and there are much better sustainable ways of generating electric power than by drilling holes in the ground and impairing the health of hard working men to go down into these holes and chop out these rocks so they can be burned. This is 18th century technology. People who live in Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia have learned it's way more profitable to be a merchant of Meth than a coal miner, and a lot easier and cleaner, why, they don't even have to leave the house and people come to them with cash, lots of it.
Coal is a dying industry and you don't have to look very far for proof.
It would be much better long term for him to use his position to try to induce industry that specializes in wind turbines and solar panels to exploit the abundant idle workforce in these areas who are very willing and able to devote their lives to the company. They already demonstrate that everyday by risking their lives in GDM coalmines getting "Black Lung disease".
Maybe I should apply for the job of advising him instead of whoever the schmuck is that has the job now.
They think with good reason , Obama did every thing he could to shut down the industry . The miners don't use pit ponys any more , so to have the control of dust moved on . Coal is a dying industry and you don't have to look very far for proof.
It would be much better long term for him to use his position to try to induce industry that specializes in wind turbines and solar panels to exploit the abundant idle workforce in these areas who are very willing and able to devote their lives to the company. They already demonstrate that everyday by risking their lives in GDM coalmines getting "Black Lung disease".
Maybe I should apply for the job of advising him instead of whoever the schmuck is that has the job now.
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And OOby when is the last time the coal mines have been in operation and when is the last time miners have had to die because of black lung disease, and heart problems and other related diseases... and when is the last time coal has produced 21st century technology for anybody?.. Trump and those who have no resolve for the past are SICK in the mind, and for the sake of honesty they can't seem to get a grip on truth. COAL MINING IS OVER! So what you were a coal miners daughter, keep it mov'in ..
But then again this was Trump's campaign promise to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, meaning going back to the past when coal was more than the way to go... or should I say ONLY way to go...
all we who know the truth must sit and wait for Trump's time to pass, and he shall come to pass real soon. tis on da-way!
But then again this was Trump's campaign promise to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, meaning going back to the past when coal was more than the way to go... or should I say ONLY way to go...
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SistaCallie: And OOby when is the last time the coal mines have been in operation and when is the last time miners have had to die because of black lung disease, and heart problems and other related diseases... and when is the last time coal has produced 21st century technology for anybody?.. Trump and those who have no resolve for the past are SICK in the mind, and for the sake of honesty they can't seem to get a grip on truth. COAL MINING IS OVER! So what you were a coal miners daughter, keep it mov'in ..
But then again this was Trump's campaign promise to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, meaning going back to the past when coal was more than the way to go... or should I say ONLY way to go... all we who know the truth must sit and wait for Trump's time to pass, and he shall come to pass real soon. tis on da-way!
But then again this was Trump's campaign promise to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, meaning going back to the past when coal was more than the way to go... or should I say ONLY way to go... all we who know the truth must sit and wait for Trump's time to pass, and he shall come to pass real soon. tis on da-way!
So which is worse, global warming or killing everything by radiation ???
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ooby_dooby: They are mistaken. There is nothing he can do to create more jobs in coal country by pimping the use of coal in industry such as power plants. The world has evolved and there are much better sustainable ways of generating electric power than by drilling holes in the ground and impairing the health of hard working men to go down into these holes and chop out these rocks so they can be burned. This is 18th century technology. People who live in Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia have learned it's way more profitable to be a merchant of Meth than a coal miner, and a lot easier and cleaner, why, they don't even have to leave the house and people come to them with cash, lots of it.
Coal is a dying industry and you don't have to look very far for proof.
It would be much better long term for him to use his position to try to induce industry that specializes in wind turbines and solar panels to exploit the abundant idle workforce in these areas who are very willing and able to devote their lives to the company. They already demonstrate that everyday by risking their lives in GDM coalmines getting "Black Lung disease".
Maybe I should apply for the job of advising him instead of whoever the schmuck is that has the job now.
Coal is a dying industry and you don't have to look very far for proof.
It would be much better long term for him to use his position to try to induce industry that specializes in wind turbines and solar panels to exploit the abundant idle workforce in these areas who are very willing and able to devote their lives to the company. They already demonstrate that everyday by risking their lives in GDM coalmines getting "Black Lung disease".
Maybe I should apply for the job of advising him instead of whoever the schmuck is that has the job now.
It is a shame that too many people are being misled by Trump...forward thinking not backwards is the key...
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SistaCallie: And OOby when is the last time the coal mines have been in operation and when is the last time miners have had to die because of black lung disease, and heart problems and other related diseases... and when is the last time coal has produced 21st century technology for anybody?.. Trump and those who have no resolve for the past are SICK in the mind, and for the sake of honesty they can't seem to get a grip on truth. COAL MINING IS OVER! So what you were a coal miners daughter, keep it mov'in ..
But then again this was Trump's campaign promise to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, meaning going back to the past when coal was more than the way to go... or should I say ONLY way to go... all we who know the truth must sit and wait for Trump's time to pass, and he shall come to pass real soon. tis on da-way!
More twisted rubbish...But then again this was Trump's campaign promise to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, meaning going back to the past when coal was more than the way to go... or should I say ONLY way to go... all we who know the truth must sit and wait for Trump's time to pass, and he shall come to pass real soon. tis on da-way!
...or perhaps your fact check site was down again?
"There are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000). The U.S. civilian labor force totaled 141,730,000 workers in 2005; thus, permanent blue-collar coal industry employees represent 0.12% of the U.S. workforce."
"As overwhelming demand looms, developing nations have embraced what, to some, is an unlikely solution: 21st Century Coal. The term “21st Century Coal” was introduced by the governments of China and the U.S. in 2009, in the context of an international partnership to advance the development of clean energy solutions from coal. It more broadly symbolizes the essential role of coal in achieving the world’s shared energy, economic, and environmental objectives. It also describes state-of-the-art advances across the industry in areas of safety, productivity, sustainability, and near-zero emissions technology in recent decades."
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Coal in the US faces one huge economic problem - cheap natural gas. This, above any regulation, is the major cause for coal mine closures. A cap in oil prices of about $60 a barrel doesn't help either.
Coal mind closures will slow and production may increase a bit; renewable energy expansion will still increase, not a fast though....but the repeal if the regulation will not really matter for coal industry employment expansion...
Unless, Trump decided to pass regulations that increase costs of renewables someway or introduced huge subsidies for coal production ...it's all about cost of substitutes here...
Coal mind closures will slow and production may increase a bit; renewable energy expansion will still increase, not a fast though....but the repeal if the regulation will not really matter for coal industry employment expansion...
Unless, Trump decided to pass regulations that increase costs of renewables someway or introduced huge subsidies for coal production ...it's all about cost of substitutes here...
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Yeats1980: Coal in the US faces one huge economic problem - cheap natural gas. This, above any regulation, is the major cause for coal mine closures. A cap in oil prices of about $60 a barrel doesn't help either.
Coal mind closures will slow and production may increase a bit; renewable energy expansion will still increase, not a fast though....but the repeal if the regulation will not really matter for coal industry employment expansion...
Unless, Trump decided to pass regulations that increase costs of renewables someway or introduced huge subsidies for coal production ...it's all about cost of substitutes here...
I think that you should already realize whenever a commodity is in demand, prices eventually increase for that commodity due to supply. It happens with practically everything, including natural resources.Coal mind closures will slow and production may increase a bit; renewable energy expansion will still increase, not a fast though....but the repeal if the regulation will not really matter for coal industry employment expansion...
Unless, Trump decided to pass regulations that increase costs of renewables someway or introduced huge subsidies for coal production ...it's all about cost of substitutes here...
"Is The Era Of Cheap Natural Gas Over?"
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aries1234: So which is worse, global warming or killing everything by radiation ???
What is a choice between two hell.
I think global warming is better option, maybe because 'warming' sounds more intimate...
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YouMeUs: I think that you should already realize whenever a commodity is in demand, prices eventually increase for that commodity due to supply. It happens with practically everything, including natural resources.
"Is The Era Of Cheap Natural Gas Over?"
"Is The Era Of Cheap Natural Gas Over?"
Yes...but the increase in price will also act as a signal for supply, which should shift and bring price down again...I suppose it's all about where we believe the 30 year equilibrium average price will be...that does seem to be the time range for investments in this area.
The regulation repeals definitely help coal but not by enough to lead to huge increases in employment though..my view is that it merely slows transition somewhat and doesn't work enough to create new investments in mines or electric plants which run on coal...
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Yeats1980: Yes...but the increase in price will also act as a signal for supply, which should shift and bring price down again...I suppose it's all about where we believe the 30 year equilibrium average price will be...that does seem to be the time range for investments in this area.
The regulation repeals definitely help coal but not by enough to lead to huge increases in employment though..my view is that it merely slows transition somewhat and doesn't work enough to create new investments in mines or electric plants which run on coal...
I would prefer there be more than a single source of alternative clean energy. With 21st Century Coal on the rise. imagine how that working in tandem with natural gas to supply electric plants fuel would do overall. The regulation repeals definitely help coal but not by enough to lead to huge increases in employment though..my view is that it merely slows transition somewhat and doesn't work enough to create new investments in mines or electric plants which run on coal...
For one they would work together in keeping demands down because of greater supply sources.
For two, having greater supply sources would in turn help keep the prices down to competitive margins.
It would be a win/win on economy, ecology and overall concerns we're currently facing.
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YouMeUs: I would prefer there be more than a single source of alternative clean energy. With 21st Century Coal on the rise. imagine how that working in tandem with natural gas to supply electric plants fuel would do overall.
For one they would work together in keeping demands down because of greater supply sources.
For two, having greater supply sources would in turn help keep the prices down to competitive margins.
It would be a win/win on economy, ecology and overall concerns we're currently facing.
For one they would work together in keeping demands down because of greater supply sources.
For two, having greater supply sources would in turn help keep the prices down to competitive margins.
It would be a win/win on economy, ecology and overall concerns we're currently facing.
Unfortunately, the cost structures favour oil and natural gas over coal...especially in an economy like the US where free markets are ingrained in the way of doing things...Manipulation of markets like the Saudi's done with oil just won't wash in the US...if oil makes 1 cent over the competitive equilibrium in the US, it will be extracted.
Now the US could change policy and do what the Saudi's done and try to manipulate the market. They simply restrict oil and had supply and subsidise coal. But if we have learned anything from the Saudi's, it is that this doesn't work. All it has done over time for the Saudi's is created an environment where technology advances in fracking and renewable resources...They just transferred their competitive advantages in energy to other countries. I'm not sure how people will view Trump in 20 years id they realise that he has merely given up the US's leadership at the technological frontier in these areas to a country like China or India in return for short term profits...
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miles and miles and miles of coal
have been moving north, south, east and west,
on the rails for weeks now ...
the tree hugger's always fail to mention
clean burn coal plants or those equipped
with "Crushed Coal Fuel Injection Technology"
incorporated with "DEF" styled scrubbers/exhaust
has been around for years.
it's was always the globalist plan to put the coal
industry out of business and buy deposits up for
pennies on the dollar.
have been moving north, south, east and west,
on the rails for weeks now ...
the tree hugger's always fail to mention
clean burn coal plants or those equipped
with "Crushed Coal Fuel Injection Technology"
incorporated with "DEF" styled scrubbers/exhaust
has been around for years.
it's was always the globalist plan to put the coal
industry out of business and buy deposits up for
pennies on the dollar.
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ooby_dooby: They are mistaken. There is nothing he can do to create more jobs in coal country by pimping the use of coal in industry such as power plants. The world has evolved and there are much better sustainable ways of generating electric power than by drilling holes in the ground and impairing the health of hard working men to go down into these holes and chop out these rocks so they can be burned. This is 18th century technology. People who live in Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia have learned it's way more profitable to be a merchant of Meth than a coal miner, and a lot easier and cleaner, why, they don't even have to leave the house and people come to them with cash, lots of it.
Coal is a dying industry and you don't have to look very far for proof.
It would be much better long term for him to use his position to try to induce industry that specializes in wind turbines and solar panels to exploit the abundant idle workforce in these areas who are very willing and able to devote their lives to the company. They already demonstrate that everyday by risking their lives in GDM coalmines getting "Black Lung disease".
Maybe I should apply for the job of advising him instead of whoever the schmuck is that has the job now.
Coal is a dying industry and you don't have to look very far for proof.
It would be much better long term for him to use his position to try to induce industry that specializes in wind turbines and solar panels to exploit the abundant idle workforce in these areas who are very willing and able to devote their lives to the company. They already demonstrate that everyday by risking their lives in GDM coalmines getting "Black Lung disease".
Maybe I should apply for the job of advising him instead of whoever the schmuck is that has the job now.
I found it rather curious that in his 'speech to Congress' there was never a mention of planning for the re-training of coal miners when they will be all out work due to "robotization" of all mining operations...seems rather strange to first get them new jobs back in the mines, then fail to give them adequate health care plans for all the future cases of Black Lung and other related medical conditions and finally to have them loose their newly found jobs again only to be permanently laid off due to the non need for humans in the mines...
It is also interesting that the same problem is facing within another 5 years at most, the automation of both the car and truck industries as human drivers will no longer be needed as just recently proved by the successful testing of both and the ability of self driving long-haul trucks. A lot of people will be losing their jobs as drivers with no plans to fund any retraining in anything. Perhaps they can get jobs sharpening pencils for Trump's accountants.....
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When I was a child my family would travel
Down to Western Kentucky where my parents were born
And there's a backwards old town that's often remembered
So many times that my memories are worn
And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away
Well, sometimes we'd travel right down the Green River
To the abandoned old prison down by Airdrie Hill
Where the air smelled like snakes and we'd shoot with our pistols
But empty pop bottles was all we would kill
And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away
Then the coal company came with the world's largest shovel
And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land
Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken
Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man
And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away
When I die let my ashes float down the Green River
Let my soul roll on up to the Rochester dam
I'll be halfway to Heaven with Paradise waitin'
Just five miles away from wherever I am
And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away.
JOHN PRINE
Down to Western Kentucky where my parents were born
And there's a backwards old town that's often remembered
So many times that my memories are worn
And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away
Well, sometimes we'd travel right down the Green River
To the abandoned old prison down by Airdrie Hill
Where the air smelled like snakes and we'd shoot with our pistols
But empty pop bottles was all we would kill
And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away
Then the coal company came with the world's largest shovel
And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land
Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken
Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man
And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away
When I die let my ashes float down the Green River
Let my soul roll on up to the Rochester dam
I'll be halfway to Heaven with Paradise waitin'
Just five miles away from wherever I am
And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away.
JOHN PRINE
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Kattte: I found it rather curious that in his 'speech to Congress' there was never a mention of planning for the re-training of coal miners when they will be all out work due to "robotization" of all mining operations...seems rather strange to first get them new jobs back in the mines, then fail to give them adequate health care plans for all the future cases of Black Lung and other related medical conditions and finally to have them loose their newly found jobs again only to be permanently laid off due to the non need for humans in the mines...
It is also interesting that the same problem is facing within another 5 years at most, the automation of both the car and truck industries as human drivers will no longer be needed as just recently proved by the successful testing of both and the ability of self driving long-haul trucks. A lot of people will be losing their jobs as drivers with no plans to fund any retraining in anything. Perhaps they can get jobs sharpening pencils for Trump's accountants.....
What about the jobs making those trucks ? the dozers that build the roads they run on . All the associated work that is beyond the mine ?It is also interesting that the same problem is facing within another 5 years at most, the automation of both the car and truck industries as human drivers will no longer be needed as just recently proved by the successful testing of both and the ability of self driving long-haul trucks. A lot of people will be losing their jobs as drivers with no plans to fund any retraining in anything. Perhaps they can get jobs sharpening pencils for Trump's accountants.....
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epirb: What about the jobs making those trucks ? the dozers that build the roads they run on . All the associated work that is beyond the mine ?
When all those things and the factories that make them are automated maybe you'll realize that none of the stuff you read and hear in the media today, is about jobs tomorrow.
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Well, for what its worth, the Canadian Govt. has announced as of last week that they are budgeting for large scale automation in several areas to re train workers, especially in all key industries and high employment jobs . This will now become a permanent program for those people to transition their employment . This has been a long term goal for many govt. in Europe also for the last few years and seems to be working well. People need to stay employed with jobs worth giving your time to doing and employers need to have good retiring programs th help all their employees make the transition from jobs lost to automation to new ones unless unemployed people living on the streets are the goals of Govt. and industries, programs are long overdue or perhaps stop all clocks and outlaw any and all automation...One or the other...
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Aside from economics of the coal, miners have a tough and risky life.
Have any of you guys being into a mine?
It is really sad that the miners spend most of their lives in the dark and in such a risky conditions.
(I have seen death miners and the cause just not enough investment in safety procedures of the mine because of profits
)
In Bolivia, miners have to chew coca leaves -look at the miners' cheeks that look like a a squirrel cheek because of the coca leaves that he keeps chewing- to be able to finish their very day shift.
Manning should be robotized the most possible.
Have any of you guys being into a mine?
It is really sad that the miners spend most of their lives in the dark and in such a risky conditions.
(I have seen death miners and the cause just not enough investment in safety procedures of the mine because of profits
)In Bolivia, miners have to chew coca leaves -look at the miners' cheeks that look like a a squirrel cheek because of the coca leaves that he keeps chewing- to be able to finish their very day shift.
Manning should be robotized the most possible.
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Coal is a dying industry and you don't have to look very far for proof.
It would be much better long term for him to use his position to try to induce industry that specializes in wind turbines and solar panels to exploit the abundant idle workforce in these areas who are very willing and able to devote their lives to the company. They already demonstrate that everyday by risking their lives in GDM coalmines getting "Black Lung disease".
Maybe I should apply for the job of advising him instead of whoever the schmuck is that has the job now.