Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate ( Archived) (22)

Apr 13, 2017 9:25 AM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
There's an article published by WSJ, on August 7, 2017 about how we must not focus so much on terrorism but how the Islam as religion and ideology can and must be reformed.

Before 622, this faith and or ideology was really peaceful but after this date, it turned militant to conquer the whole world.

It's a very informative and focus on how our world can achieve peace.

Question : as simple as her insight and powerful argument, why can't it be done?
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Apr 13, 2017 10:39 AM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
BritishLondon
BritishLondonBritishLondonManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK323 Posts
Islam is regressing into conservative simpletonism like we are only they start from a much lower place. Both cultures need some time out alone for soul-searching purposes and basically we're getting in each others way. The more we mix together the less earnest our self-reflection. Alone we will stand and together we fall apart.
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Apr 13, 2017 10:42 AM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
Grumpywriter
GrumpywriterGrumpywriterTbilisi, Georgia18 Threads 1 Polls 702 Posts
BritishLondon: Islam is regressing into conservative simpletonism like we are only they start from a much lower place. Both cultures need some time out alone for soul-searching purposes and basically we're getting in each others way. The more we mix together the less earnest our self-reflection. Alone we will stand and together we fall apart.


Thank you Enoch!
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Apr 13, 2017 10:59 AM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
Grumpywriter
GrumpywriterGrumpywriterTbilisi, Georgia18 Threads 1 Polls 702 Posts
lindsyjones: There's an article published by WSJ, on August 7, 2017 about how we must not focus so much on terrorism but how the Islam as religion and ideology can and must be reformed.

Before 622, this faith and or ideology was really peaceful but after this date, it turned militant to conquer the whole world.

It's a very informative and focus on how our world can achieve peace.

Question : as simple as her insight and powerful argument, why can't it be done?


We have been killing each other for our differences since the dawn of time.

It's not Islam or Christianity that is the problem. It is the perverse twisting of their ideologies. And this is not Islamic or Christian

It's about territory, gold, land and the fact that 'I am better than you'.

Islam is STILL a religion of peace. These sphincters are NOT followers of Islam. Christian fundamentalists are NOT Christians.

Calling yourself something, doesn't make it real.

Terrorism, works on this. Out of fear, we suspect those that are different.

Big Beard? He's automatically a suicide bomber!

During the First World War, Britons were kicking Dachshunds - because they were German - and the German Shepherd Dog was 'officially' renamed.

"The direct translation of the name was adopted for use in the official breed registry; however, at the conclusion of World War I, it was believed that the inclusion of the word "German" would harm the breed's popularity, due to the anti-German sentiment of the era. The breed was officially renamed by the UK Kennel Club to "Alsatian Wolf Dog"

Today, the Muslims next-door are as scared as the Christian two doors down, the Jew on the corner of the street, the mixed-race family opposite or the Atheist who runs the chip-shop.

They are just people...

If we start painting groups with such a broad brush, demonising them based on the behaviour of a minority... then they have already won!
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Apr 13, 2017 11:11 AM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
Grumpywriter: We have been killing each other for our differences since the dawn of time.

It's not Islam or Christianity that is the problem. It is the perverse twisting of their ideologies. And this is not Islamic or Christian

It's about territory, gold, land and the fact that 'I am better than you'.

Islam is STILL a religion of peace. These sphincters are NOT followers of Islam. Christian fundamentalists are NOT Christians.

Calling yourself something, doesn't make it real.

Terrorism, works on this. Out of fear, we suspect those that are different.

Big Beard? He's automatically a suicide bomber!

During the First World War, Britons were kicking Dachshunds - because they were German - and the German Shepherd Dog was 'officially' renamed.

"The direct translation of the name was adopted for use in the official breed registry; however, at the conclusion of World War I, it was believed that the inclusion of the word "German" would harm the breed's popularity, due to the anti-German sentiment of the era. The breed was officially renamed by the UK Kennel Club to "Alsatian Wolf Dog"

Today, the Muslims next-door are as scared as the Christian two doors down, the Jew on the corner of the street, the mixed-race family opposite or the Atheist who runs the chip-shop.

They are just people...

If we start painting groups with such a broad brush, demonising them based on the behaviour of a minority... then they have already won!






Nice speech Grumpy, but the reality is a bit more complex than that...
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Apr 13, 2017 12:12 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
BritishLondon: Islam is regressing into conservative simpletonism like we are only they start from a much lower place. Both cultures need some time out alone for soul-searching purposes and basically we're getting in each others way. The more we mix together the less earnest our self-reflection. Alone we will stand and together we fall apart.


Are you suggesting that our humanity will always be divided and no unity to be achieved?
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Apr 13, 2017 12:18 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
lindsyjones: Are you suggesting that our humanity will always be divided and no unity to be achieved?





I believe that is highly unnatural to expect the opposite Lindsy...
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Apr 13, 2017 12:34 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
lindsyjones: Are you suggesting that our humanity will always be divided and no unity to be achieved?


Because if that's the case then what a waste of energy for us to be fooled by such a promise. That's to understand her opinions as a positive route to reform.
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Apr 13, 2017 12:36 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
Taking away their excuse of causing these havoc, would in reality, make them label themselves as they are. ..

Then the purpose of Aayan, is irrelevant.

This is for Grumpy.
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Apr 13, 2017 12:37 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
KremaP: I believe that is highly unnatural to expect the opposite Lindsy...


I agree Krema. You've been subdued lately. wave
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Apr 13, 2017 1:29 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
lj

could not find write up in wall street journal but found this on youtube.



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Apr 13, 2017 1:37 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts


this is a longer interview.
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Apr 13, 2017 1:38 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
stringman: lj

could not find write up in wall street journal but found this on youtube.





Just Google her name: Aayan Hirsi Ali, the most eloquent Apostate, WSJ,

I emailed you, too.
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Apr 13, 2017 1:40 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
lindsyjones: Just Google her name: Aayan Hirsi Ali, the most eloquent Apostate, WSJ,

I emailed you, too.
published 4,7,17
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Apr 13, 2017 1:54 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
can't read it you have to subscribe to it.

Lj
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Apr 13, 2017 1:56 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
stringman: can't read it you have to subscribe to it.

Lj
I got it mailed to me and opened it John.

Read your email. I sent it 4 hours ago.
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Apr 13, 2017 2:15 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
Grumpywriter
GrumpywriterGrumpywriterTbilisi, Georgia18 Threads 1 Polls 702 Posts
KremaP: Nice speech Grumpy, but the reality is a bit more complex than that...
A full and compelling argument. Thank you for your insight.
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Apr 13, 2017 6:02 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
Grumpywriter: We have been killing each other for our differences since the dawn of time.

It's not Islam or Christianity that is the problem. It is the perverse twisting of their ideologies. And this is not Islamic or Christian

It's about territory, gold, land and the fact that 'I am better than you'.

Islam is STILL a religion of peace. These sphincters are NOT followers of Islam. Christian fundamentalists are NOT Christians.

Calling yourself something, doesn't make it real.

Terrorism, works on this. Out of fear, we suspect those that are different.

Big Beard? He's automatically a suicide bomber!

During the First World War, Britons were kicking Dachshunds - because they were German - and the German Shepherd Dog was 'officially' renamed.

"The direct translation of the name was adopted for use in the official breed registry; however, at the conclusion of World War I, it was believed that the inclusion of the word "German" would harm the breed's popularity, due to the anti-German sentiment of the era. The breed was officially renamed by the UK Kennel Club to "Alsatian Wolf Dog"

Today, the Muslims next-door are as scared as the Christian two doors down, the Jew on the corner of the street, the mixed-race family opposite or the Atheist who runs the chip-shop.

They are just people...

If we start painting groups with such a broad brush, demonising them based on the behaviour of a minority... then they have already won!
It's not , its a whole way of life guide ,they that choose not to follow die .
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Apr 13, 2017 10:32 PM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
epirb: It's not , its a whole way of life guide ,they that choose not to follow die .


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Apr 14, 2017 12:45 AM CST Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the most Eloquent Apostate
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
Grumpywriter: A full and compelling argument. Thank you for your insight.



I will give you a more I sightful argument after I finish my work Grumpy.
You seem to have plenty of time on your hands.
Just one question before I go, have you read the Koran and have you lived in an Arab country?
Ops, two questions.
Have a lovely day!
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