Macron & Le Pen Second Round (69)
SistaCallie: German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s chief of staff, Peter Altmaier, tweeted that Macron’s first-place finish showed that “France AND Europe can win together. The center is stronger than the populists think!”
The simple fact that Merkel supports Macron should be sufficient reason for the French to tell Macron "NON"
Who is the guy ?
Who's putting the money behind him ?
Why should anyone trust him ?
Is he just another US sponsored plant ... a 'handsome, bright young thing - like Blair in UK and Key in NZ' who promises change and delivers havoc as they do their offshore political master's bidding without care and concern for the population they were supposed to serve ?
As for Callie ... still a poorly informed shill !
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HexagonKeySet: The simple fact that Merkel supports Macron should be sufficient reason for the French to tell Macron "NON"
Who is the guy ?
Who's putting the money behind him ?
Why should anyone trust him ?
Is he just another US sponsored plant ... a 'handsome, bright young thing - like Blair in UK and Key in NZ' who promises change and delivers havoc as they do their offshore political master's bidding without care and concern for the population they were supposed to serve ?
As for Callie ... still a poorly informed shill !
Who is the guy ?
Who's putting the money behind him ?
Why should anyone trust him ?
Is he just another US sponsored plant ... a 'handsome, bright young thing - like Blair in UK and Key in NZ' who promises change and delivers havoc as they do their offshore political master's bidding without care and concern for the population they were supposed to serve ?
As for Callie ... still a poorly informed shill !
Exactly.
Le Pen has stated clearly she won't be Merkels lapdog, and that should mean something to the French.
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rizlared: Exactly.
Le Pen has stated clearly she won't be Merkels lapdog, and that should mean something to the French.
Le Pen has stated clearly she won't be Merkels lapdog, and that should mean something to the French.
Riz, So if you find LePen a better candidate who will not be a "lapdog" for/to Merkels, explain what you mean by Merkel's "lapdog", as well as what this "should mean" to the French? Do you also know LePen's platform campaign promises? It would seem the French heard Macron's and LePen's platform campaign promises and know them better than we, yet Macron so far has received over 24% of the votes with 21% therefore, we have the run off on May 2...My questions:
(1) explain what you mean by Merkel's "lapdog" ?
(2) why/what this "should mean" to the French?
(3) Do you also know LePen's platform campaign promises?
(4) Do you also know Macron's platform campaign promises?
(50 Why you think LePen will/would be better for the French?
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rizlared: Exactly.
Le Pen has stated clearly she won't be Merkels lapdog, and that should mean something to the French.
Le Pen has stated clearly she won't be Merkels lapdog, and that should mean something to the French.
Just because Le Pen has said she will not be Merkel's lapdog, she will not be (in case she would win) ?
Do political candidates keep their promises?
and just because Le Pen has said she will not be Merkel's lapdog does it make Macron Merkel's lapdog?
Just curious.
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For the record:
From extreme right to extreme central there is not mush room
From extreme right to extreme central there is not mush room
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Yet, where I French I would vote against Le Pen, so Macron would be.
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SistaCallie: Riz, So if you find LePen a better candidate who will not be a "lapdog" for/to Merkels, explain what you mean by Merkel's "lapdog", as well as what this "should mean" to the French? Do you also know LePen's platform campaign promises? It would seem the French heard Macron's and LePen's platform campaign promises and know them better than we, yet Macron so far has received over 24% of the votes with 21% therefore, we have the run off on May 2...
My questions:
(1) explain what you mean by Merkel's "lapdog" ?
The term "lapdog" means being subserviant or controlled. Macron would jump at anything Merkel asked him to do!
(2) why/what this "should mean" to the French?
It means the French should take back control of their country, rather than being a second Germany as it is right now and will continue to be under Macron
(3) Do you also know LePen's platform campaign promises?
Yes, and I agree with many of them, not all
(4) Do you also know Macron's platform campaign promises?
Yes, I disagree with many of them, and he will cause problems for the UK
(50 Why you think LePen will/would be better for the French?
Because France needs someone strong to stand up to the control of Germany
My questions:
(1) explain what you mean by Merkel's "lapdog" ?
The term "lapdog" means being subserviant or controlled. Macron would jump at anything Merkel asked him to do!
(2) why/what this "should mean" to the French?
It means the French should take back control of their country, rather than being a second Germany as it is right now and will continue to be under Macron
(3) Do you also know LePen's platform campaign promises?
Yes, and I agree with many of them, not all
(4) Do you also know Macron's platform campaign promises?
Yes, I disagree with many of them, and he will cause problems for the UK
(50 Why you think LePen will/would be better for the French?
Because France needs someone strong to stand up to the control of Germany
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lifeisadream: Just because Le Pen has said she will not be Merkel's lapdog, she will not be (in case she would win) ?
Do political candidates keep their promises?
and just because Le Pen has said she will not be Merkel's lapdog does it make Macron Merkel's lapdog?
Just curious.
Hey there Life Do political candidates keep their promises?
and just because Le Pen has said she will not be Merkel's lapdog does it make Macron Merkel's lapdog?
Just curious.
..so very true they all talk a smooth talk of swelling words until AFTER they receive the votes, and then its on with their own agenda. 
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lifeisadream: For the record:
From extreme right to extreme central there is not mush room
well, you forgot extreme left, and extreme backwardFrom extreme right to extreme central there is not mush room
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lifeisadream: Yet, where I French I would vote against Le Pen, so Macron would be.
Macron is la President he knows more about the hearts of the French people and their needs than Le Pen, she has personal issues as to why she would like to be president connected to her father from what I've read on her.------ This thread is Archived ------
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rizlared:
Callie: My questions:
(1) explain what you mean by Merkel's "lapdog" ?
Riz; The term "lapdog" means being subserviant or controlled. Macron would jump at anything Merkel asked him to do!
(2) why/what this "should mean" to the French?
It means the French should take back control of their country, rather than being a second Germany as it is right now and will continue to be under Macron
(3) Do you also know LePen's platform campaign promises?
Yes, and I agree with many of them, not all
(4) Do you also know Macron's platform campaign promises?
Yes, I disagree with many of them, and he will cause problems for the UK
(5) Why you think LePen will/would be better for the French?
Because France needs someone strong to stand up to the control of Germany
Callie: My questions:
(1) explain what you mean by Merkel's "lapdog" ?
Riz; The term "lapdog" means being subserviant or controlled. Macron would jump at anything Merkel asked him to do!
(2) why/what this "should mean" to the French?
It means the French should take back control of their country, rather than being a second Germany as it is right now and will continue to be under Macron
(3) Do you also know LePen's platform campaign promises?
Yes, and I agree with many of them, not all
(4) Do you also know Macron's platform campaign promises?
Yes, I disagree with many of them, and he will cause problems for the UK
(5) Why you think LePen will/would be better for the French?
Because France needs someone strong to stand up to the control of Germany
So after reviewing your answers, then what you're saying is, especially your answer to #5 question... reminds me of the Trump followers this is what they said as to why they voted for Trump, and it seems his so-called unreasonable restless strength is getting America into a lot of problems and threats of nuclear war.... it also reflects that you agree with Trump and his rhetoric and talking points for America, because Le Pen has the same views for France, as Trump has for America, making the same campaign promises, and has the same political ideology as Trump, and he backs her winning the election, because she is saying some of the same stuff as he is/has spoken for America.
LePen is running on what her political party wants as well as her own personal agenda, trying to out do her father who failed as a presidential candidate. LePen is a nationalist can't determine if she is far-right or far left and/or mixed up in her ideas on both sides of the fence far right and far left, and not so much for the people's or France's future. Would this not bring about division within France among the people just like Trump has done/is doing in America in his 100 days in office? Sure it will....that's not good for the nation or the people. A nation divided will never stand.
Her party wants to slash immigration, clamp down on trade, and overturn France's relationship with Europe.
Her campaign has called for:
Negotiation with Brussels on a new EU, followed by a referendum
"Automatic" expulsion of illegal immigrants and legal immigration cut to 10,000 per year following an immediate total moratorium
"Extremist" mosques closed and priority to French nationals in social housing
Retirement age fixed at 60 and 35-hour week assured
On the other hand, Macron has a more logical balance and foresight for the future of the people and the nation. He speaks for what will make the people and France stronger in the long run as a united front. Macron is for bringing the nation and people together in one accord and finding reasonable resolve for what is wrong with the nation and its policies, not dividing it for personal political gain. Macron is not controlled by any political party that dictates to him, therefore, he is less likely to follow or be a "lapdog" to anyone. Wherein Le Pen is already a lapdog to her Nationalist Front political party. After all, SHE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONALIST FRONT POLITICAL ORGANIZATION.
Macron's campaign promises include:
Cut 120,000 public sector jobs and bring down the budget deficit
A €50bn (£43bn; $53bn) public investment plan to cover job-training and shift to renewable energy
Slash corporation tax from 33% to 25% and let companies renegotiate 35-hour week. Unify the pension system
Bolster EU ties and the eurozone, higher tariffs to protect European industry, common border force
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that's too funny Guz..
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i haven't followed a lot of the detail but have been listening to Le Pen on occasion it appears she curries a lot of favor with her stance against continued membership of the European Union, vive la france etc.
French debt stands around 96.07 % of GDP, absolute amount of public debt = EUR 2 159 863205 540 and growing faster than i can type...
Besides that its very likely a few other EU countries economies will soon fail anyway and member states will of course be expected to up hold the euro grantees, Macrons handicap...
But i think she comes unstuck (like the British do) because the French colonized a lot of Muslim countries were heavy handed in many of them, so perhaps Le Pen will probably have a lot of problems obtaining votes from that corner.
Otherwise she will romp in...
French debt stands around 96.07 % of GDP, absolute amount of public debt = EUR 2 159 863205 540 and growing faster than i can type...
Besides that its very likely a few other EU countries economies will soon fail anyway and member states will of course be expected to up hold the euro grantees, Macrons handicap...
But i think she comes unstuck (like the British do) because the French colonized a lot of Muslim countries were heavy handed in many of them, so perhaps Le Pen will probably have a lot of problems obtaining votes from that corner.
Otherwise she will romp in...
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SistaCallie: well, you forgot extreme left, and extreme backward
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BritishLondon: For example Macron the Rothschild banker extending the French working week is one of these things which will make the French less chilled out and tolerant in the longrun. Macron will bring social conditions in France closer to what they are in America - just like Blair did with Britain - and this blazes pathways to Trump and Brexits.
Cultural marxism combined with cutthroat capitalism leads everything to the right and that's just a matter of fact. Political correctness dies and you're left with an angry mob, a blank in public morality and a few giant capitalists.
To whatever extent you can teach the world to sing this depends on giving your own workers a good deal first. This bourgeois first, foreigner second, worker last frame of the Clinton/Blair left is an unsustainable affair guaranteed to create a backlash. This combination of hard-right Thacherite economics with left of communism cultural values was perhaps one of the most stupid things western politics has ever done.
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BritishLondon: Cultural marxism combined with cutthroat capitalism leads everything to the right and that's just a matter of fact. Political correctness dies and you're left with an angry mob, a blank in public morality and a few giant capitalists.
To whatever extent you can teach the world to sing this depends on giving your own workers a good deal first. This bourgeois first, foreigner second, worker last frame of the Clinton/Blair left is an unsustainable affair guaranteed to create a backlash. This combination of hard-right Thacherite economics with left of communism cultural values was perhaps one of the most stupid things western politics has ever done.
To whatever extent you can teach the world to sing this depends on giving your own workers a good deal first. This bourgeois first, foreigner second, worker last frame of the Clinton/Blair left is an unsustainable affair guaranteed to create a backlash. This combination of hard-right Thacherite economics with left of communism cultural values was perhaps one of the most stupid things western politics has ever done.
And that is the modern/clinton/boomer left/mainstream - the smugness of a hippy combined with the greed of a yuppy.
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BritishLondon: And that is the modern/clinton/boomer left/mainstream - the smugness of a hippy combined with the greed of a yuppy.
It's no coincidence that the teach the world to sing candidate in this was also a Rothschild banker - precisely this hippy/yuppy hybrid I'm talking about. Britain and America have known these hybrids to a far greater extent and this is why we've lost patience and developed a hatred for politics. Brexit and Trump don't actually represent anything political, Trump is particularly anti-politics, and a vote for them is an outpouring of "grr" directed towards the entire hippy/yuppy political system.
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BritishLondon: It's no coincidence that the teach the world to sing candidate in this was also a Rothschild banker - precisely this hippy/yuppy hybrid I'm talking about. Britain and America have known these hybrids to a far greater extent and this is why we've lost patience and developed a hatred for politics. Brexit and Trump don't actually represent anything political, Trump is particularly anti-politics, and a vote for them is an outpouring of "grr" directed towards the entire hippy/yuppy political system.
So yea the French aren't pissed off enough to elect the popular right. However, give them enough hippy/yuppy hybrids and they soon will be, and they'll elect something which sounds much more nasty.
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Macron’s strong finish in the French election shows populist wave may be ebbing
Le Pen and Macron to face off in French election runoff Play Video3:17
Centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron and French far-right leader Marine Le Pen on April 23 advanced to a runoff in France’s presidential election. The runoff will be held on May 7. (Sarah Parnass/The Washington Post)
By Griff Witte and Michael Birnbaum April 24 at 5:20 PM
BERLIN — In this era of fiery populism and muscular anti-globalist forces, politicians across Europe are suddenly discovering an electoral surprise.
It might actually pay to embrace the European Union.
The top finisher in the first round of the French presidential election on Sunday is Emmanuel Macron, a 39-year-old centrist who jets to Berlin to give speeches in English. The blue-and-yellow banner of the E.U. flutters off his campaign headquarters. He is strongly favored to beat his anti-Europe rival, Marine Le Pen, in a May 7 runoff.
After years in which the E.U. was the favorite foil for ascendant politicians on the continent, the 28-nation club may be making a comeback despite Brexit and President Trump’s euroskepticism. The Netherlands’ staunchly pro-European Green Left party quadrupled its support in elections last month. The former European Parliament president Martin Schulz is surging in polls ahead of September elections in Germany.
And Macron has promised, if elected, to help lead “an ambitious Europe,” restoring France to a preeminent place in the E.U. after years in which the French role has been diminished by its domestic struggles with unemployment, terrorism and political dysfunction. He pledges to push for reforms that would force stronger nations to protect weaker ones.
Sunday’s balloting showed French attitudes toward Europe split down the middle, with euroskeptic politicians winning nearly half the vote. In addition to Le Pen, Jean-Luc Mélenchon, a far-left candidate, drew millions of votes. Opinion polls examining E.U. attitudes revealed conflicted feelings, with a majority of French respondents describing themselves as pro-E.U. but saying the institution needed deep reforms.
Given such division, European leaders nervously watched the first-round voting to see which way France might tilt. On Monday, many political figures were unusually public about their support for Macron.
[Choice for French voters: Hope in Europe or fear of globalization]
German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s chief of staff, Peter Altmaier, tweeted that Macron’s first-place finish showed that “France AND Europe can win together. The center is stronger than the populists think!”