The Trouble With the European Union (20)
you are not an expert on the matter. :-)
the european union started economically.
it started as the benelux. belgium netherlands luxembourg. who made trade deals to have free travel of goods and persons.
Later France and Germany followed.
and some additions later.
Some rules became common about labour force.
There were huge budgets, mostly agriculture to pump up production.
It became more to have more marketplace to sell.
Germany has easy access to all supermarkets in all EU countries.
The coin just was a money saver for the governments. like bitcoin wants to do.
Not all had to participate. but a fixed exchange rate was in place before the coin was there. The ECU.
It also helps trade a lot, and stopped gambling on foreign cash.
The army, we had NATO for that.
International human rights. United Nations.
Even border protection is done by the countries. nowadays with FRONTEX money support.
EU is a economical pact. A lot of the budget comes from import tax.
the european union started economically.
it started as the benelux. belgium netherlands luxembourg. who made trade deals to have free travel of goods and persons.
Later France and Germany followed.
and some additions later.
Some rules became common about labour force.
There were huge budgets, mostly agriculture to pump up production.
It became more to have more marketplace to sell.
Germany has easy access to all supermarkets in all EU countries.
The coin just was a money saver for the governments. like bitcoin wants to do.
Not all had to participate. but a fixed exchange rate was in place before the coin was there. The ECU.
It also helps trade a lot, and stopped gambling on foreign cash.
The army, we had NATO for that.
International human rights. United Nations.
Even border protection is done by the countries. nowadays with FRONTEX money support.
EU is a economical pact. A lot of the budget comes from import tax.
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Len05: you are not an expert on the matter. :-)
the european union started economically.
it started as the benelux. belgium netherlands luxembourg. who made trade deals to have free travel of goods and persons.
Later France and Germany followed.
and some additions later.
Some rules became common about labour force.
There were huge budgets, mostly agriculture to pump up production.
It became more to have more marketplace to sell.
Germany has easy access to all supermarkets in all EU countries.
The coin just was a money saver for the governments. like bitcoin wants to do.
Not all had to participate. but a fixed exchange rate was in place before the coin was there. The ECU.
It also helps trade a lot, and stopped gambling on foreign cash.
The army, we had US for that.
International human rights. United Nations.
Even border protection is done by the countries. nowadays with FRONTEX money support.
EU is a economical pact. A lot of the budget comes from import tax.
yeah sure did , Take the safety of a foreign army , and no doubt most of the worlds free western forces would be drawn in like they were last time and the time before while shafting those same countries goods with tariffsthe european union started economically.
it started as the benelux. belgium netherlands luxembourg. who made trade deals to have free travel of goods and persons.
Later France and Germany followed.
and some additions later.
Some rules became common about labour force.
There were huge budgets, mostly agriculture to pump up production.
It became more to have more marketplace to sell.
Germany has easy access to all supermarkets in all EU countries.
The coin just was a money saver for the governments. like bitcoin wants to do.
Not all had to participate. but a fixed exchange rate was in place before the coin was there. The ECU.
It also helps trade a lot, and stopped gambling on foreign cash.
The army, we had US for that.
International human rights. United Nations.
Even border protection is done by the countries. nowadays with FRONTEX money support.
EU is a economical pact. A lot of the budget comes from import tax.
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It was started to ensure peace between neighbours, first and foremost.
The main problem now, is the opposite to what you say, is that it is trying to turn into a federal government, and countries do not want that.
It should be scaled back to its basics and have less bureaucracy and fewer bureaucrats and fatcats.
The main problem now, is the opposite to what you say, is that it is trying to turn into a federal government, and countries do not want that.
It should be scaled back to its basics and have less bureaucracy and fewer bureaucrats and fatcats.
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epirb: The screams were loud when Trump said he might pull out , not from Americans . Very handy having a US base pouring money into local economy's .
look now we are getting into drama.
a permanent member retreating is a bit weird. if you have power of 28 countries.
just read
it saves you a lot of belly feelings
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Len05: look now we are getting into drama.
a permanent member retreating is a bit weird. if you have power of 28 countries.
just read
it saves you a lot of belly feelings
Ok , I shall take back "screams were loud" and insert " concern was expressed"a permanent member retreating is a bit weird. if you have power of 28 countries.
just read
it saves you a lot of belly feelings
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epirb: Ok , I shall take back "screams were loud" and insert " concern was expressed"
yes your 'commander' of 'the biggest army' doesn't have a clue.
he is like the fifth rider of the apocalypse. ignorance
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Len05: yes your 'commander' of 'the biggest army' doesn't have a clue.
he is like the fifth rider of the apocalypse. ignorance
I think his voting taxpayers have understood that they pick up the biggest bill for NATO and are not able to trade without tariffs in those same countries they are paying for the defence of .he is like the fifth rider of the apocalypse. ignorance
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epirb: I think his voting taxpayers have understood that they pick up the biggest bill for NATO and are not able to trade without tariffs in those same countries they are paying for the defence of .
idiot, the spending of the USA in military spending is not guided by the other countries, but by the internal companies.
And a lot of the bill goes to salaries. and American military is well paid. it is a form of migration.
We don't have that. We don't need to import people to fight for us in Afghanistan or else.
Nato didn't jump in Vietnam.
You don't buy planes because of Belgium, you buy planes because of Boeing or whatever.
My leader doesn't drive in a big beast in my country. Your president does/did.
It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If 100 million of lobbying can get you a contract with 101 million profit you do it.
If the usa wasn't so gullible to spend, the bill would not be so high.
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Len05: idiot, the spending of the USA in military spending is not guided by the other countries, but by the internal companies.
And a lot of the bill goes to salaries. and American military is well paid. it is a form of migration.
We don't have that. We don't need to import people to fight for us in Afghanistan or else.
Nato didn't jump in Vietnam.
You don't buy planes because of Belgium, you buy planes because of Boeing or whatever.
My leader doesn't drive in a big beast in my country. Your president does/did.
It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If 100 million of lobbying can get you a contract with 101 million profit you do it.
If the usa wasn't so gullible to spend, the bill would not be so high.
Yep , just as I thought , you have no idea .And a lot of the bill goes to salaries. and American military is well paid. it is a form of migration.
We don't have that. We don't need to import people to fight for us in Afghanistan or else.
Nato didn't jump in Vietnam.
You don't buy planes because of Belgium, you buy planes because of Boeing or whatever.
My leader doesn't drive in a big beast in my country. Your president does/did.
It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If 100 million of lobbying can get you a contract with 101 million profit you do it.
If the usa wasn't so gullible to spend, the bill would not be so high.
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Len05: idiot, the spending of the USA in military spending is not guided by the other countries, but by the internal companies.
And a lot of the bill goes to salaries. and American military is well paid. it is a form of migration.
We don't have that. We don't need to import people to fight for us in Afghanistan or else.
Nato didn't jump in Vietnam.
You don't buy planes because of Belgium, you buy planes because of Boeing or whatever.
My leader doesn't drive in a big beast in my country. Your president does/did.
It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If 100 million of lobbying can get you a contract with 101 million profit you do it.
If the usa wasn't so gullible to spend, the bill would not be so high.
And a lot of the bill goes to salaries. and American military is well paid. it is a form of migration.
We don't have that. We don't need to import people to fight for us in Afghanistan or else.
Nato didn't jump in Vietnam.
You don't buy planes because of Belgium, you buy planes because of Boeing or whatever.
My leader doesn't drive in a big beast in my country. Your president does/did.
It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If 100 million of lobbying can get you a contract with 101 million profit you do it.
If the usa wasn't so gullible to spend, the bill would not be so high.
rubbish
n 1949, the prospect of further Communist expansion prompted the United States and 11 other Western nations to form the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) NATO was created by the USA in Washington D.C. on the 4 April 1949.
Article 1.
says the Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.
Article 14
This Treaty, of which the English and French texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited in the archives of the Government of the United States of America
Trump is clearly provoking NK, Trump is threatening to use other than peaceful means, as best as i can tell Trump's flock are about to jump off a cliff
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I heard half the tomahawk missiles fired into syria got taken out..
Look what has been sitting in Manila Bay
The Russian warship's visit is meant to strengthen the ties between Russia and the Philippines as Duterte seeks to turn the country’s foreign policy towards Russia and China.
Trump doesn't have the numbers in the UN possibly along with a few flunkies, happily trashing the un-charter and another empire fads into the history archives...
Given the two Korea's were divided by Russia and America, its my guess its high-noon time, will ongoing demise of the USA's new world order 1984 survive or in future be happy to exchange pesos
Look what has been sitting in Manila Bay
The Russian warship's visit is meant to strengthen the ties between Russia and the Philippines as Duterte seeks to turn the country’s foreign policy towards Russia and China.
Trump doesn't have the numbers in the UN possibly along with a few flunkies, happily trashing the un-charter and another empire fads into the history archives...
Given the two Korea's were divided by Russia and America, its my guess its high-noon time, will ongoing demise of the USA's new world order 1984 survive or in future be happy to exchange pesos
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dont want any peso's but i will
accept mexican silver libertads.
accept mexican silver libertads.
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Given gunner build a wall between you and mexico can i suggest (good deal mate au$ only buys 75 cents usa $) on AU eBay Mexican Libertad/Onza 1980 1oz Silver, “Very good uncirculated condition” = AU $38.00 plus postage from Australia to you the usual AU $14.00 each extra coin add AU $2.00 per item to United States using Standard International Flat Rate Postage.
Australia will after you mate
Australia will after you mate
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EU has become an unwieldy tyrannical Bureaucracy,where unelected Officials have more say than the ones elected by the People!
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ooby_dooby: It is my opinion, and I'm really not an expert on matters across the pond, that the EU was originally fashioned similar to the United States of America. The idea being that it would be mutually beneficial to all the countries of Europe if they were to form a pact whereby it was "one for all and all for one" like the USA. If one country came under attack, all the other countries would automatically be involved. A common currency could be established and there would be no border restrictions such as needing a passport to go from one country in the Union to any other.This seemed to work very well for years but there was/is a flaw in the formula which was unexpected or dismissed as unnecessary. Unlike the USA the EU has no Federal Governing Authority like exists in America.
I can't even begin to imagine how the US would function without a Federal Government regardless of how so many people seem to hate it at times. Can you imagine if every American state had to maintain a standing Army? Don't even mention an Air Force or Navy. I think the citizens of Kansas would balk at having to fund a Navy.
See;
I can't even begin to imagine how the US would function without a Federal Government regardless of how so many people seem to hate it at times. Can you imagine if every American state had to maintain a standing Army? Don't even mention an Air Force or Navy. I think the citizens of Kansas would balk at having to fund a Navy.
See;
Not an expert ... if that's your opinion ooby then (like most americans) you really haven't a clue.
The EU was founded upon an original Coal and Iron agreement that was intended to limit steel production in any one nation so that they could not amass so many weapons ... arguably it was out of date at it's inception, a nuke doesn't need much steel for the casing!
Absolutely UNLIKE the USA where there was a commonality ( all migrants ) the countries of Europe had ( still have ) very little in common in terms of culture, most have had minor or major squabbles back through recorded history and linguistically it's so diverse that a babylonian conversation would have been more coherent!
On top of all of that it was SOLD to the people of the various nations as a TRADING BLOCK and that the Highest Standards would be adopted across all countries ...
Yeah right ... the Germans would not accept the UK standards and fittings for electrical appliances as it would be too expensive
Then the Germans did not want UK sausages to be allowed to be called sausages because they had a lower meat content!
And UK ice cream had to be renamed 'non dairy frozen confection' as it contained vegetable oil ( a throwback from war time rationing ) In 'technical terms' ie the EU book of standards that 'ice cream' product is listed as 'frozen margarine'
Belgium declared war on everyone else's chocolate ... can't call it chocolate as it doesn't have OUR coca content and on and on an on it goes ...
Suppose I said 'Hey Ooby ... why didn't the USA respect the Native North American Tribes people, and if one tribe attacked another than all the rest of the tribes plus the white man could have sorted the troublesome one. and you could have had a common currency and ...
You'd have branded me an eejit too eh :-)
Not looked at your link ... alter :-)
ps have a beer
we can jaw jaw before you send the spare MOAB to take me out :-) :-) :-)
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the European Union needs new walls dam it, new walls i say
Turkey completes first phase of 900km wall along Syrian border
The completed 556-kilometre section is the first phase of a structure that will eventually seal the entire 911-kilometre border between the two countries.
The rest of the wall is due to be completed by the autumn, at which point it would be the second-longest structure in the world, after the 3,460-kilometre Great Wall of China.
The Turkish border wall is comprised of modular concrete blocks each weighing 14 tonnes and is topped by 60 centimetres of razor wire
When complete, the fortification will also include 67 reinforced defensive towers, 67 watchtowers and around 100 kilometres of illuminated sections.
At 1,600 kilometres in length, Trump's wall will eventually beat the Turkish wall into second place as the world's longest.
The Israeli West Bank barrier, under construction between Israel and the West Bank, will be 650 kilometres long when complete.
Turkey completes first phase of 900km wall along Syrian border
The completed 556-kilometre section is the first phase of a structure that will eventually seal the entire 911-kilometre border between the two countries.
The rest of the wall is due to be completed by the autumn, at which point it would be the second-longest structure in the world, after the 3,460-kilometre Great Wall of China.
The Turkish border wall is comprised of modular concrete blocks each weighing 14 tonnes and is topped by 60 centimetres of razor wire
When complete, the fortification will also include 67 reinforced defensive towers, 67 watchtowers and around 100 kilometres of illuminated sections.
At 1,600 kilometres in length, Trump's wall will eventually beat the Turkish wall into second place as the world's longest.
The Israeli West Bank barrier, under construction between Israel and the West Bank, will be 650 kilometres long when complete.
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robplum: the European Union needs new walls dam it, new walls i say
Turkey completes first phase of 900km wall along Syrian border
The completed 556-kilometre section is the first phase of a structure that will eventually seal the entire 911-kilometre border between the two countries.
The rest of the wall is due to be completed by the autumn, at which point it would be the second-longest structure in the world, after the 3,460-kilometre Great Wall of China.
The Turkish border wall is comprised of modular concrete blocks each weighing 14 tonnes and is topped by 60 centimetres of razor wire
When complete, the fortification will also include 67 reinforced defensive towers, 67 watchtowers and around 100 kilometres of illuminated sections.
At 1,600 kilometres in length, Trump's wall will eventually beat the Turkish wall into second place as the world's longest.
The Israeli West Bank barrier, under construction between Israel and the West Bank, will be 650 kilometres long when complete.
Turkey completes first phase of 900km wall along Syrian border
The completed 556-kilometre section is the first phase of a structure that will eventually seal the entire 911-kilometre border between the two countries.
The rest of the wall is due to be completed by the autumn, at which point it would be the second-longest structure in the world, after the 3,460-kilometre Great Wall of China.
The Turkish border wall is comprised of modular concrete blocks each weighing 14 tonnes and is topped by 60 centimetres of razor wire
When complete, the fortification will also include 67 reinforced defensive towers, 67 watchtowers and around 100 kilometres of illuminated sections.
At 1,600 kilometres in length, Trump's wall will eventually beat the Turkish wall into second place as the world's longest.
The Israeli West Bank barrier, under construction between Israel and the West Bank, will be 650 kilometres long when complete.
Oh the cost must be incredible, who pays for that? BTW is the wall to keep people in or out? The Berlin Wall proved that only repressive political systems build walls.
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that mass murdering idiot running Turkey would be paying for it I guess.
Yes both in and out, likely soon there will be an exodus of Kurd's escaping into Iraq or Syria compounding all the ongoing human sufferings in the region.
Yes both in and out, likely soon there will be an exodus of Kurd's escaping into Iraq or Syria compounding all the ongoing human sufferings in the region.
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ooby_dooby: It is my opinion, and I'm really not an expert on matters across the pond, that the EU was originally fashioned similar to the United States of America. The idea being that it would be mutually beneficial to all the countries of Europe if they were to form a pact whereby it was "one for all and all for one" like the USA. If one country came under attack, all the other countries would automatically be involved. A common currency could be established and there would be no border restrictions such as needing a passport to go from one country in the Union to any other.This seemed to work very well for years but there was/is a flaw in the formula which was unexpected or dismissed as unnecessary. Unlike the USA the EU has no Federal Governing Authority like exists in America.
I can't even begin to imagine how the US would function without a Federal Government regardless of how so many people seem to hate it at times. Can you imagine if every American state had to maintain a standing Army? Don't even mention an Air Force or Navy. I think the citizens of Kansas would balk at having to fund a Navy.
See;
I can't even begin to imagine how the US would function without a Federal Government regardless of how so many people seem to hate it at times. Can you imagine if every American state had to maintain a standing Army? Don't even mention an Air Force or Navy. I think the citizens of Kansas would balk at having to fund a Navy.
See;
The trouble with the European Union is precisely excess of europeism. Federalism is not an option, and it's the reason of many countries are pondering their exit from the EU.
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I can't even begin to imagine how the US would function without a Federal Government regardless of how so many people seem to hate it at times. Can you imagine if every American state had to maintain a standing Army? Don't even mention an Air Force or Navy. I think the citizens of Kansas would balk at having to fund a Navy.
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