WHY NOT FOOD PRICE CONTROLS....?... (57)
secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,230 Postsunlaoised: maneuver1 = Purr?
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Jeeze, I'm slow 
Hope you're well, M
Hope you're well, M
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secretagent09: It's good that he's still purring considering what he has gone through with medical problems.
Hang in there Purr
Hang in there Purr
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epirb: But the production does not because of government support . That wheat is the flooded onto other markets destroying local farmers .
Remember the Cancun trade round ? that simplistic example was used to explain just why government support for producers is destructive . Your own wheat producers were used as an example . I doubt a Mexican farmer 60 plus in age shafted by debt would leave for the US but his sons would . Yet those causing the problem north of you don't see the results as connected to government support for US wheat producers .
Remember the Cancun trade round ? that simplistic example was used to explain just why government support for producers is destructive . Your own wheat producers were used as an example . I doubt a Mexican farmer 60 plus in age shafted by debt would leave for the US but his sons would . Yet those causing the problem north of you don't see the results as connected to government support for US wheat producers .
Mr. Adonis.
Trading is rather complex and many variables have to be taken into account in order to make an accurate guess of it which goes along with knowing what to produce (by farmers or animal keepers).
The majority of Farmers (here) are usually not educated and certainly not well informed, they do produce what they have known to since many years ago while the markets are very dynamic and going ahead of them is not easy.
Farming is a beautiful activity but one with a "high risk and low return", who in his/her right mind would want such a scenario?
With the globalization of the economy, nothing is fair (nothing has been though) and all countries go to compite for the markets, markets that can afford to buy the goodies being wheat or meat or whatever...
Blaming the governments for the low return in agriculture/animal keeping is rather no-sense, the gov has to care for the majority of people (if they do) making food available to the masses within reasonable prices, so farmers/animal keepers better get informed and make better decisions and the internet can be a very useful tool to do a good reattach on the markets and above all have a sale-contract before producing anything.
If producing wheat is giving me a low return, then I should not produce wheat because the people will get that wheat from Canada/USA because it is cheaper even with the transport cost.
Where is the Sustainability in the above? that is another story...
As for the Mexican workers in USA (undocumented) that is another story as well...
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lifeisadream: Mr. Adonis.
Trading is rather complex and many variables have to be taken into account in order to make an accurate guess of it which goes along with knowing what to produce (by farmers or animal keepers).
The majority of Farmers (here) are usually not educated and certainly not well informed, they do produce what they have known to since many years ago while the markets are very dynamic and going ahead of them is not easy.
Farming is a beautiful activity but one with a "high risk and low return", who in his/her right mind would want such a scenario?
With the globalization of the economy, nothing is fair (nothing has been though) and all countries go to compite for the markets, markets that can afford to buy the goodies being wheat or meat or whatever...
Blaming the governments for the low return in agriculture/animal keeping is rather no-sense, the gov has to care for the majority of people (if they do) making food available to the masses within reasonable prices, so farmers/animal keepers better get informed and make better decisions and the internet can be a very useful tool to do a good research on the markets and above all have a sale-contract before producing anything.
If producing wheat is giving me a low return, then I should not produce wheat because the people will get that wheat from Canada/USA because it is cheaper even with the transport cost.
Where is the Sustainability in the above? that is another story...
As for the Mexican workers in USA (undocumented) that is another story as well...
Trading is rather complex and many variables have to be taken into account in order to make an accurate guess of it which goes along with knowing what to produce (by farmers or animal keepers).
The majority of Farmers (here) are usually not educated and certainly not well informed, they do produce what they have known to since many years ago while the markets are very dynamic and going ahead of them is not easy.
Farming is a beautiful activity but one with a "high risk and low return", who in his/her right mind would want such a scenario?
With the globalization of the economy, nothing is fair (nothing has been though) and all countries go to compite for the markets, markets that can afford to buy the goodies being wheat or meat or whatever...
Blaming the governments for the low return in agriculture/animal keeping is rather no-sense, the gov has to care for the majority of people (if they do) making food available to the masses within reasonable prices, so farmers/animal keepers better get informed and make better decisions and the internet can be a very useful tool to do a good research on the markets and above all have a sale-contract before producing anything.
If producing wheat is giving me a low return, then I should not produce wheat because the people will get that wheat from Canada/USA because it is cheaper even with the transport cost.
Where is the Sustainability in the above? that is another story...
As for the Mexican workers in USA (undocumented) that is another story as well...
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I'm curious why no one has brought up Venezuela, the poster child for food price controls.
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lifeisadream: Mr. Adonis.
Trading is rather complex and many variables have to be taken into account in order to make an accurate guess of it which goes along with knowing what to produce (by farmers or animal keepers).
The majority of Farmers (here) are usually not educated and certainly not well informed, they do produce what they have known to since many years ago while the markets are very dynamic and going ahead of them is not easy.
Farming is a beautiful activity but one with a "high risk and low return", who in his/her right mind would want such a scenario?
With the globalization of the economy, nothing is fair (nothing has been though) and all countries go to compite for the markets, markets that can afford to buy the goodies being wheat or meat or whatever...
Blaming the governments for the low return in agriculture/animal keeping is rather no-sense, the gov has to care for the majority of people (if they do) making food available to the masses within reasonable prices, so farmers/animal keepers better get informed and make better decisions and the internet can be a very useful tool to do a good reattach on the markets and above all have a sale-contract before producing anything.
If producing wheat is giving me a low return, then I should not produce wheat because the people will get that wheat from Canada/USA because it is cheaper even with the transport cost.
Where is the Sustainability in the above? that is another story...
As for the Mexican workers in USA (undocumented) that is another story as well...
You have misunderstood what has happened ,lot of it about .Trading is rather complex and many variables have to be taken into account in order to make an accurate guess of it which goes along with knowing what to produce (by farmers or animal keepers).
The majority of Farmers (here) are usually not educated and certainly not well informed, they do produce what they have known to since many years ago while the markets are very dynamic and going ahead of them is not easy.
Farming is a beautiful activity but one with a "high risk and low return", who in his/her right mind would want such a scenario?
With the globalization of the economy, nothing is fair (nothing has been though) and all countries go to compite for the markets, markets that can afford to buy the goodies being wheat or meat or whatever...
Blaming the governments for the low return in agriculture/animal keeping is rather no-sense, the gov has to care for the majority of people (if they do) making food available to the masses within reasonable prices, so farmers/animal keepers better get informed and make better decisions and the internet can be a very useful tool to do a good reattach on the markets and above all have a sale-contract before producing anything.
If producing wheat is giving me a low return, then I should not produce wheat because the people will get that wheat from Canada/USA because it is cheaper even with the transport cost.
Where is the Sustainability in the above? that is another story...
As for the Mexican workers in USA (undocumented) that is another story as well...
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Chris8739: I'm curious why no one has brought up Venezuela, the poster child for food price controls.
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epirb: You have misunderstood what has happened ,lot of it about .
Perhaps I have.
I forgot to add that there are successful farmers (about 20 %) and animal keepers as well but they are informed people and they do take the technology to their advantage.
Recently, I had to evaluate some greenhouses and one of the owners was a young guy (30s) and I was happy to see that guy with plenty of knowledge and control of his greenhouse, those greenhouses are certified in food safety (inocuidad alimentaria) and he does export his produce to a few countries but he does the planting until he has a contract for his crops to sell.
Mexico has Free trade agreements with 45 countries and if we want to sell our produce/goodies we must buy from them too, otherwise what for are those Free trade agreements and in the making there will be unfair situations that will make some people struggle and some even will go out of business, usually the less prepared (in both countries) but such is life.
If you are a successful farmer/animal keeper, no doubt you do know your business.
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Chris8739: I'm curious why no one has brought up Venezuela, the poster child for food price controls.
Bring it out and perhaps not only Venezuela.
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lifeisadream: Bring it out and perhaps not only Venezuela.
I just lurk on politics. Anyone who wants such a madness really needs to look at practicing governments to see if there's one that works.
Venezuela and N Korea come instantly to mind.
So someone who cares can read and report back here.
For the OP: Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
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The venezuela's government forced their economy to accept their prices. Now there are no products in the shops.
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lifeisadream: Perhaps I have.
I forgot to add that there are successful farmers (about 20 %) and animal keepers as well but they are informed people and they do take the technology to their advantage.
Recently, I had to evaluate some greenhouses and one of the owners was a young guy (30s) and I was happy to see that guy with plenty of knowledge and control of his greenhouse, those greenhouses are certified in food safety (inocuidad alimentaria) and he does export his produce to a few countries but he does the planting until he has a contract for his crops to sell.
Mexico has Free trade agreements with 45 countries and if we want to sell our produce/goodies we must buy from them too, otherwise what for are those Free trade agreements and in the making there will be unfair situations that will make some people struggle and some even will go out of business, usually the less prepared (in both countries) but such is life.
If you are a successful farmer/animal keeper, no doubt you do know your business.
You have wandered off the subject enough for me to check the thread title again .I forgot to add that there are successful farmers (about 20 %) and animal keepers as well but they are informed people and they do take the technology to their advantage.
Recently, I had to evaluate some greenhouses and one of the owners was a young guy (30s) and I was happy to see that guy with plenty of knowledge and control of his greenhouse, those greenhouses are certified in food safety (inocuidad alimentaria) and he does export his produce to a few countries but he does the planting until he has a contract for his crops to sell.
Mexico has Free trade agreements with 45 countries and if we want to sell our produce/goodies we must buy from them too, otherwise what for are those Free trade agreements and in the making there will be unfair situations that will make some people struggle and some even will go out of business, usually the less prepared (in both countries) but such is life.
If you are a successful farmer/animal keeper, no doubt you do know your business.
NZ farmers like a lot of other countries farmers received subsidies . Ours stopped mid 80's . We also had a wage /price freeze . Tariff protection for local industries against like countries , that last bit is important . It all stopped causing severe problems from which we have not yet recovered and if the policies continue we will follow "leaders" in the field down the drain .
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epirb: You have wandered off the subject enough for me to check the thread title again .
NZ farmers like a lot of other countries farmers received subsidies . Ours stopped mid 80's . We also had a wage /price freeze . Tariff protection for local industries against like countries , that last bit is important . It all stopped causing severe problems from which we have not yet recovered and if the policies continue we will follow "leaders" in the field down the drain .
NZ farmers like a lot of other countries farmers received subsidies . Ours stopped mid 80's . We also had a wage /price freeze . Tariff protection for local industries against like countries , that last bit is important . It all stopped causing severe problems from which we have not yet recovered and if the policies continue we will follow "leaders" in the field down the drain .
I think I do understand you and the situation you are at, that is part of my job and there is nothing more that I would wish than to support local growers over external ones (from other countries) but that does not fit into the global economy and the trading of commodities. One thing is what I wish and another what reality is.
An example: grain producers receive some subsides but it is just economically un-sustainable and some big companies (beer) are importing their grains because they get them cheaper and some farmers are changing their crops to others crops like Oats for their cattle and other animals and in doing that their return is higher and some are going with conservation of soil practices as well to lower the diesel cost with less tractor work.
Going organic is also paying off, so going green might not be a bad idea to explore. One of the greenhouse that I have talked bout is growing the tomatoes organic and they reduced about 30 % their cost of production and kept very much the same productivity.
I hope you can find some options to improve your production/comercial system.
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Chris8739: I just lurk on politics. Anyone who wants such a madness really needs to look at practicing governments to see if there's one that works.
Venezuela and N Korea come instantly to mind.
So someone who cares can read and report back here.
For the OP: Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
Venezuela and N Korea come instantly to mind.
So someone who cares can read and report back here.
For the OP: Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
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lifeisadream: Had I had this paragraphs in my English test a few decades ago I would been in trouble
The whole point of the food's price is that (markets) they do not take into consideration the "cost of production" and until farmers/ranchers/animal keepers understand that, they might understand the markets of the food/items/commodities.
Our rural real estate agents are made up of several groups , bankrupt farmers and menopausal farmers wives working to keep hold of their farms just long enough to capture the capital gain on eventual sale usually because the banks have got sick of them . Currently wool growers are taking a loss , selling their wool for less than it costs the shearing . No different to food production element of farming , if they cannot store it till a price rise they should burn it . The whole point of the food's price is that (markets) they do not take into consideration the "cost of production" and until farmers/ranchers/animal keepers understand that, they might understand the markets of the food/items/commodities.
but no , they keep sending it in 
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epirb: Our rural real estate agents are made up of several groups , bankrupt farmers and menopausal farmers wives
being in bankruptcy might be worse than being menopausal and both must be not a good combination, I think.
working to keep hold of their farms just long enough to capture the capital gain on eventual sale usually because the banks have got sick of them . Currently wool growers are taking a loss , selling their wool for less than it costs the shearing . No different to food production element of farming , if they cannot store it till a price rise they should burn it . but no , they keep sending it in . Economic lessons have to be re-learnt by every generation .
being in bankruptcy might be worse than being menopausal and both must be not a good combination, I think.
working to keep hold of their farms just long enough to capture the capital gain on eventual sale usually because the banks have got sick of them . Currently wool growers are taking a loss , selling their wool for less than it costs the shearing . No different to food production element of farming , if they cannot store it till a price rise they should burn it . but no , they keep sending it in . Economic lessons have to be re-learnt by every generation .
Good luck with that!
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