Vietnam vets. ( Archived) (46)

its ok mate i got more than scars, been country-less and homeless isn't just psychological its the nz defence force that got more extensive psychological problems believe me

the US Office acknowledging the insistent which was one of many gave me a left as lot of people saw lot less combat related events than i did and put me down through ignorance

In English, I had no basic training (less than two weeks), I landed in Saigon in January 1967 and the records clearly display, my service contract had expired in July 1967.
After also being stitched up with a real nasty dirt file, I departed Saigon for NZ in late February 1968 and was dumped out of the NZ army who processed a discharge based on those forged documents. I was not given proper medicals, no return from active service medical, only later a chat with a navy Petty Officer medic that I knew from Vietnam, the discharge they processed was based on forged documents and therefore as a matter of law did not occur.

The NZ Defence Act places a legal obligation on me to continue to complain to a higher authority until my grievances are properly addressed. The Act also places an obligation upon the recipient of the complaint and if that person is unable to resolve the soldier's grievances that Higher Authority complained to must take the soldiers grievance or complaint, to a higher authority, that's what the law states.

NZ Prime Minister John Key is unlawfully blocking my discharge and knows it, also because of the flavour of this debate, I gave back what they gave me, PM John Howard allowed Ministers to attempt to take my head with a proviso if caught, they had to resign.
Minister Peter McGauran, Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty and Minister Alexander Downer all resigned after trying to take me down. As I mentioned earlier, Tony Abbot's wife actually, poured the contents of my NZ Department of Veteran Affairs file in the ear of a Jenny Shipcott, and later the Aust federal police read a private letter I had wrote to Jenny Shipcott, and bared her from Pubs, Clubs and Licensed Premises all because I sent her a bunch of flowers. Nothing else, one bunch of flowers.

its all ongoing and very interesting

War ain't no Joke,Old Son!

where you on the wine last night one2note? you seem off on your thread topics

in that event at the nz embassy i shut the embassy staff in the bar (was a locked area that they could unlock from inside). Don went up stairs to guard against charlie approaching over the roofs, and i was watching a gate in back yard that led to the street straight across the road from the point charlie was firing from the top of the cemetery wall at americans ambassadors (ambassador bunker).
I lay on the ground behind a plastic jerry can full of watch with a 9mm brownie i'd never been trained to use, knew nothing. the NZ Hq major jc brown refused to allow us to carry rifles as kings regs said had to be an officer in an embassy before baggy arses could carry rifles. I knew how to fire a SLR, i fired bren guns, 303 rifle and sten guns at high school and had purchased a 303 off army for deer shooting before i ever heard of a place called saigon.
Anyway i freely admit i pissed my pants cause i really expected VC to appear, they were shooting at bunkers house and marines were i think firing back (i couldn't see what was going on) think don and lady might have played whippy though, me alone i watched the gate all night.

a copy and paste from my email folder!!
I landed in
> Saigon in January 1967 unbeknown to even myself, my service contract
> expired in July 1967. After being stitched up with a real nasty dirt
> file, I departed Saigon for NZ in late February 1968 and was dumped
> out of the NZ army who had processed a discharge based on forged
> documents forged by the two
before
> mentioned clerks and others in NZ HQ Saigon, they had kindly
> re-written my service records, and extended my army service contract
> whilst I was
driving
> around mostly unarmed alone' including during the first couple of
> weeks of the Tet Offensive 1st February 1968 preforming the duties as
> HQ Driver
even
> though for at least eight months I was actually a civilian.
>

lots of bits and peaces laying around A, thats besides document in chief filed in HRRT

bits like this from person who became a major

B: Yes I remember Col and Mrs Smith, when that occurred they employed a White Mice to guard the house and caught him stealing all there food, so they got sections of NZ infantry to guard it. However Vietnamese because they found them drunk all the time kept locking them up so Col Smith (Commander NZ Forces Vietnam) was left unguarded. On the day you attempted to catch your flight, I drove around the dead VC bodies littering the street outside the motor pool gates of the motor pool compound across the road from Col Smith house. First thing I did the morning Tet cranked up was go and see if Col Smith was alive.

Then I saw a big pair of boots in front of me. And they joined up to a Major called James Conway Brown, RNZAC. He glared down at me on my knees, and said, 'This is a fine time to be cleaning a rifle, i've deleted". I have never forgotten it.

Yes Major J C Brown took my rifle for own use and I was loading magazines with the Vietnamese janitor, JC bloody Brown…armed himself with my assigned rifle leaving me without anything to defend myself with if in deed an attack had actually eventuated. I like you watched the VC on the roof tops across the road attack the Korean BEQ in the next street over.

And the VC didn't come down the road that day, did they?

Me: In a way they did, they knocked out three or four tanks up past the fish market. They had been in the alley were our (North Vietnamese) Vietnamese driver that drove the slop-crusher the alley were he lived; you might recall a hat went around in HQ and we took him some money to keep him and his family going. You watched over my Landover while Mac and I went down the alley and knocked on his door.

In Britain we have vets , where we take our pets when they are sick/unwell.......in other parts of the world....why call a man a vet...?????......why. as there is a big diffrerance being a vet and a .*.VETERAN *...one cures animal......and one fights in wars........if you see what I mean...?????.just saying........

then ridicule and badmouth the Politicians for sending 58'000 People to their Death without anything to show!
I f you want to thank a Vet today,slap a Politician!