One of the 'measures' of 'good' mental healthy is said to be 'tolerance' that's the ability to (37)
No, mental illness is not contagious but yes, it's highly likely that many on here are affected by it.
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serene56: No, mental illness is not contagious but yes, it's highly likely that many on here are affected by it.
Then, how do you account for the increasing prevalence of psychological disorders occurring amongst professionals who enter the MH field ?
That SOME here are affected is undoubted ... SEVERAL are very open and honest about their situations.
I don't know 'how many' it would take to justify 'many' ?
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HexagonKeySet: Then, how do you account for the increasing prevalence of psychological disorders occurring amongst professionals who enter the MH field ?
That SOME here are affected is undoubted ... SEVERAL are very open and honest about their situations.
I don't know 'how many' it would take to justify 'many' ?
That SOME here are affected is undoubted ... SEVERAL are very open and honest about their situations.
I don't know 'how many' it would take to justify 'many' ?
Firstly, I'm interested to know how you came about your first statement/query
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HexagonKeySet: 'tolerate'
and, as I'd like to think it MAY still be possible to have a serious conversation here I'll offer the dictionary definition
Tolerate
verb
1. Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) without interference.
"a regime unwilling to tolerate dissent"
synonyms: allow, permit, authorize, sanction, condone, indulge, agree to, accede to, approve of; More
2. Be capable of continued subjection to (a drug, toxin, or environmental condition) without adverse reaction.
"lichens grow in conditions that no other plants tolerate"
So, and I ask in all seriousness, given that so many of the political left, the stridently politically correct and those of certain religious and cultural persuasions appear to be completely UNABLE to allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (anything that they dislike or disagree with) without interference is it reasonable to assume that they have mental health problems ?
I don't know if anyone here has come across the possibility that mental ill health might be contagious ... if there is I'm especially interested in hearing.
And to the bobbleheads and noddy dogs that can't take part seriously ... Gosh, look of course, absolutely you're entitled to a nice safe space ... so I created that just for you and it's called "The nice safe space thread" all stocked up with cuddly counsellors and aloe vera infused tissues ... but the therapy dogs, they all quit en masse ... quoting their own psychological needs as dogs and their refusal to be exploited further
;-)
and, as I'd like to think it MAY still be possible to have a serious conversation here I'll offer the dictionary definition
Tolerate
verb
1. Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) without interference.
"a regime unwilling to tolerate dissent"
synonyms: allow, permit, authorize, sanction, condone, indulge, agree to, accede to, approve of; More
2. Be capable of continued subjection to (a drug, toxin, or environmental condition) without adverse reaction.
"lichens grow in conditions that no other plants tolerate"
So, and I ask in all seriousness, given that so many of the political left, the stridently politically correct and those of certain religious and cultural persuasions appear to be completely UNABLE to allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (anything that they dislike or disagree with) without interference is it reasonable to assume that they have mental health problems ?
I don't know if anyone here has come across the possibility that mental ill health might be contagious ... if there is I'm especially interested in hearing.
And to the bobbleheads and noddy dogs that can't take part seriously ... Gosh, look of course, absolutely you're entitled to a nice safe space ... so I created that just for you and it's called "The nice safe space thread" all stocked up with cuddly counsellors and aloe vera infused tissues ... but the therapy dogs, they all quit en masse ... quoting their own psychological needs as dogs and their refusal to be exploited further
;-)
Mental health is not contagious, yet it may form a way for others to benefit.
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serene56: Firstly, I'm interested to know how you came about your first statement/query
To which are you referring as 'first' ?
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HexagonKeySet: Then, how do you account for the increasing prevalence of psychological disorders occurring amongst professionals who enter the MH field ?
This one
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sophiasummer: Mental health is not contagious, yet it may form a way for others to benefit.
The topic refers to mental illness being contagious!
Not mental health ... but it IS a fact that when a community has more people who individually have a greater tolerance for others then that community 'as a whole' benefits.
So, using contagion 'loosely' yes ... it rubs off on others
;)
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serene56: This one
Fact ...
I will not quote the source(s) ... call it journalistic privilege
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But I'll give you this one from PubMed
Abstract
Suicide is the eighth leading cause of death in the United States. Suicide rates have been reported to be particularly high in professional, managerial, and executive groups. We reviewed English language epidemiological studies on suicide and occupation published since 1982. Some studies suggest that workers in a number of occupations, including chemistry, farming, and law enforcement, may have elevated suicide rates.
The weight of current evidence supports the conclusion that both male and female physicians have elevated rates of suicide, with females at particularly high risk.
Elevated rates of suicide in a particular occupational group may result from a complex interaction between job factors such as work stress and access to means and other risk factors such as age and presence of a mental disorder.
You can subscribe yourself if you want the full article!
Abstract
Suicide is the eighth leading cause of death in the United States. Suicide rates have been reported to be particularly high in professional, managerial, and executive groups. We reviewed English language epidemiological studies on suicide and occupation published since 1982. Some studies suggest that workers in a number of occupations, including chemistry, farming, and law enforcement, may have elevated suicide rates.
The weight of current evidence supports the conclusion that both male and female physicians have elevated rates of suicide, with females at particularly high risk.
Elevated rates of suicide in a particular occupational group may result from a complex interaction between job factors such as work stress and access to means and other risk factors such as age and presence of a mental disorder.
You can subscribe yourself if you want the full article!
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HexagonKeySet: Fact ...
I will not quote the source(s) ... call it journalistic privilege
I will not quote the source(s) ... call it journalistic privilege
Ok then perhaps those whose lives are affected by mental illness are drawn to the industry, they may feel they have insights and lived experience
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serene56: Ok then perhaps those whose lives are affected by mental illness are drawn to the industry, they may feel they have insights and lived experience
There's certainly some evidence to suggest that that might be the case ...
BUT the difficulty seems to be ( from direct observation) that many are already unwell at point of entry and seem to think that 'working in the trade' will make them well ... in reality, that simply does not work and (again from observation) the situation arises that the 'professional's issue' are triggered by the 'patient's issues' and vice versa ... so it becomes a vicious spiral of an industry that grows massively but appears to produces fewer 'successful outcomes' ?
By successful outcome I'd mean a full recovery, drug free and fully participating in life / work / relationships / social etc to at least the extent they did prior to 'diagnosis / treatment'
I don't know about Australia, but ( from a Lawyer working in the MH Legislative field) NZ Law is written in such a way that once a person has received MH treatment the only ways to escape the system is to 'avoid detection' for a period ( I was told six months ) or to seek a hearing from a Judge within a fairly tight timescale ( from memory 7 days ) I found it interesting that a Judge can over rule the opinion of psychiatrists ...
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HexagonKeySet: There's certainly some evidence to suggest that that might be the case ...
BUT the difficulty seems to be ( from direct observation) that many are already unwell at point of entry and seem to think that 'working in the trade' will make them well ... in reality, that simply does not work and (again from observation) the situation arises that the 'professional's issue' are triggered by the 'patient's issues' and vice versa ... so it becomes a vicious spiral of an industry that grows massively but appears to produces fewer 'successful outcomes' ?
By successful outcome I'd mean a full recovery, drug free and fully participating in life / work / relationships / social etc to at least the extent they did prior to 'diagnosis / treatment'
I don't know about Australia, but ( from a Lawyer working in the MH Legislative field) NZ Law is written in such a way that once a person has received MH treatment the only ways to escape the system is to 'avoid detection' for a period ( I was told six months ) or to seek a hearing from a Judge within a fairly tight timescale ( from memory 7 days ) I found it interesting that a Judge can over rule the opinion of psychiatrists ...
BUT the difficulty seems to be ( from direct observation) that many are already unwell at point of entry and seem to think that 'working in the trade' will make them well ... in reality, that simply does not work and (again from observation) the situation arises that the 'professional's issue' are triggered by the 'patient's issues' and vice versa ... so it becomes a vicious spiral of an industry that grows massively but appears to produces fewer 'successful outcomes' ?
By successful outcome I'd mean a full recovery, drug free and fully participating in life / work / relationships / social etc to at least the extent they did prior to 'diagnosis / treatment'
I don't know about Australia, but ( from a Lawyer working in the MH Legislative field) NZ Law is written in such a way that once a person has received MH treatment the only ways to escape the system is to 'avoid detection' for a period ( I was told six months ) or to seek a hearing from a Judge within a fairly tight timescale ( from memory 7 days ) I found it interesting that a Judge can over rule the opinion of psychiatrists ...
An interesting and multi-layered response
A troubling thought that those who enter the field might be seeking relief for their own issues..
And I guess it depends on the severity of a person's mental illness whether they can ever achieve full recovery, many can only be assisted to maintain a semblance of a 'normal' existence via medication, therapy, counselling and life skills /recreation programs and social interaction.
And yes, mental health tribunal panels do not always include those who work in the mental health field... right or wrong, the intent is for them to be impartial and objective and they can override psychiatric opinion.
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serene56: An interesting and multi-layered response
A troubling thought that those who enter the field might be seeking relief for their own issues..
Indeed ... yet one might also think it troubling that such person are not 'screened' or 'psychologically profiled' ? Waikato DHB have had a recent case where they 'job sponsored' a person from the USA who pretended to be a psychiatrist ... the patients, nurses and canteen staff all spotted the fraud but not management and senior colleagues. Maybe they should ALL be subject to review by a Mental health Tribunal on a regular basis :-)
And I guess it depends on the severity of a person's mental illness whether they can ever achieve full recovery, many can only be assisted to maintain a semblance of a 'normal' existence via medication, therapy, counselling and life skills /recreation programs and social interaction.
Interesting POV ! Maybe much depends upon whether 'the diagnosis' was accurate in the first case ... again, from direct observation it seems that 'as a routine part of the process' the 'patient' is both encouraged to accept the diagnosis and to inform themselves about their condition. This appears to 'reinforce' the belief in the diagnosis and acceptance that 'it's just how it is' and 'how they are' ? There seems to be no mechanism / route or even notion that recovery is a possible outcome ...
And yes, mental health tribunal panels do not always include those who work in the mental health field... right or wrong, the intent is for them to be impartial and objective and they can override psychiatric opinion.
A troubling thought that those who enter the field might be seeking relief for their own issues..
Indeed ... yet one might also think it troubling that such person are not 'screened' or 'psychologically profiled' ? Waikato DHB have had a recent case where they 'job sponsored' a person from the USA who pretended to be a psychiatrist ... the patients, nurses and canteen staff all spotted the fraud but not management and senior colleagues. Maybe they should ALL be subject to review by a Mental health Tribunal on a regular basis :-)
And I guess it depends on the severity of a person's mental illness whether they can ever achieve full recovery, many can only be assisted to maintain a semblance of a 'normal' existence via medication, therapy, counselling and life skills /recreation programs and social interaction.
Interesting POV ! Maybe much depends upon whether 'the diagnosis' was accurate in the first case ... again, from direct observation it seems that 'as a routine part of the process' the 'patient' is both encouraged to accept the diagnosis and to inform themselves about their condition. This appears to 'reinforce' the belief in the diagnosis and acceptance that 'it's just how it is' and 'how they are' ? There seems to be no mechanism / route or even notion that recovery is a possible outcome ...
And yes, mental health tribunal panels do not always include those who work in the mental health field... right or wrong, the intent is for them to be impartial and objective and they can override psychiatric opinion.
Answered above ... unless there's more to say ?
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An interesting and multi-layered response
A troubling thought that those who enter the field might be seeking relief for their own issues..
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Hi Serene, did you get my link l sent on your other thread you made, l cant send to you private because my 99th is not until next week.
A troubling thought that those who enter the field might be seeking relief for their own issues..
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Hi Serene, did you get my link l sent on your other thread you made, l cant send to you private because my 99th is not until next week.
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HexagonKeySet: Then, how do you account for the increasing prevalence of psychological disorders occurring amongst professionals who enter the MH field ?
That SOME here are affected is undoubted ... SEVERAL are very open and honest about their situations.
I don't know 'how many' it would take to justify 'many' ?
That SOME here are affected is undoubted ... SEVERAL are very open and honest about their situations.
I don't know 'how many' it would take to justify 'many' ?
People generally enter a field that is of interest to them.
If you suffer from mental health issues yourself, the chances of studying it, and practicing it, are higher.
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mollybaby: People generally enter a field that is of interest to them.
If you suffer from mental health issues yourself, the chances of studying it, and practicing it, are higher.
.....Hi Molly.....just saying hello and hoping the weather was a bit better in Cork over the weekend! ..... It was awful here in Galway..... anyway, I know you won't mind me giving a slightly different opinion.....It's just that, from growing up here in Ireland......for a lot of us we only had a few choices of getting good jobs etc......A lot of young people who did not succeed in getting into General Nursing......chose to go into Mental Health Nursing....that was in the days before it was realised that, having mental health problems, was the very same as having some other physical illness that could affect people.......I do understand the awful stress that mental health workers go through.....but I think that they do not enter that field with a complete comprehension of what is involved or having gone through issues themselves.......jmo.....If you suffer from mental health issues yourself, the chances of studying it, and practicing it, are higher.
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OgGoDeo: .....Hi Molly.....just saying hello and hoping the weather was a bit better in Cork over the weekend! ..... It was awful here in Galway..... anyway, I know you won't mind me giving a slightly different opinion.....It's just that, from growing up here in Ireland......for a lot of us we only had a few choices of getting good jobs etc......A lot of young people who did not succeed in getting into General Nursing......chose to go into Mental Health Nursing....that was in the days before it was realised that, having mental health problems, was the very same as having some other physical illness that could affect people.......I do understand the awful stress that mental health workers go through.....but I think that they do not enter that field with a complete comprehension of what is involved or having gone through issues themselves.......jmo.....
Hi Og
Weather more mixed here, but should be nicer for the week, hopefully for you too
You know I never mind varying opinions, especially from someone such as yourself.
Of course people fall into areas such as the mental health field without knowing what it entails.
I guess I was basing my statement on my experience with working with psychologists in the past. I found that the vast majority of them had issues themselves, which they often hadn't properly worked through, and I always felt they entered the profession because of that, rather than for more altruistic reasons.
But of course you are correct in your statement
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mollybaby: Hi Og
Weather more mixed here, but should be nicer for the week, hopefully for you too
You know I never mind varying opinions, especially from someone such as yourself.
Of course people fall into areas such as the mental health field without knowing what it entails.
I guess I was basing my statement on my experience with working with psychologists in the past. I found that the vast majority of them had issues themselves, which they often hadn't properly worked through, and I always felt they entered the profession because of that, rather than for more altruistic reasons.
But of course you are correct in your statement
.....Hi again Molly.....I do understand what you are saying.....only thing is my opinion would be that, if anything, it might be from working in that field for a number of years.....and soaking up all types of psychological issues that their patients would have......I would not be surprised if the stress of that might start to affect some of them.....I just don't think they would have gone in there because, per se, having a background of it in their own lives.....jmo.....Weather more mixed here, but should be nicer for the week, hopefully for you too
You know I never mind varying opinions, especially from someone such as yourself.
Of course people fall into areas such as the mental health field without knowing what it entails.
I guess I was basing my statement on my experience with working with psychologists in the past. I found that the vast majority of them had issues themselves, which they often hadn't properly worked through, and I always felt they entered the profession because of that, rather than for more altruistic reasons.
But of course you are correct in your statement
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HexagonKeySet: Then, how do you account for the increasing prevalence of psychological disorders occurring amongst professionals who enter the MH field ?
That SOME here are affected is undoubted ... SEVERAL are very open and honest about their situations.
I don't know 'how many' it would take to justify 'many' ?
Historically, psychologists and psychiatrists do tend to enter their fields BECAUSE they have disorders and/or at least idiosyncrinies (sp?) themselves. This was widely talked about when I was in college, and taking continuing education courses afterward. Policeman sometimes enter the force because they are fed up with crime.Some nurses go to college because they have a natural care-giving heart. People who are stay-at-home at heart but need to work sometimes get a degree in Home Economics, and enjoy both worlds.That SOME here are affected is undoubted ... SEVERAL are very open and honest about their situations.
I don't know 'how many' it would take to justify 'many' ?
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and, as I'd like to think it MAY still be possible to have a serious conversation here I'll offer the dictionary definition
Tolerate
verb
1. Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) without interference.
"a regime unwilling to tolerate dissent"
synonyms: allow, permit, authorize, sanction, condone, indulge, agree to, accede to, approve of; More
2. Be capable of continued subjection to (a drug, toxin, or environmental condition) without adverse reaction.
"lichens grow in conditions that no other plants tolerate"
So, and I ask in all seriousness, given that so many of the political left, the stridently politically correct and those of certain religious and cultural persuasions appear to be completely UNABLE to allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (anything that they dislike or disagree with) without interference is it reasonable to assume that they have mental health problems ?
I don't know if anyone here has come across the possibility that mental ill health might be contagious ... if there is I'm especially interested in hearing.
And to the bobbleheads and noddy dogs that can't take part seriously ... Gosh, look of course, absolutely you're entitled to a nice safe space ... so I created that just for you and it's called "The nice safe space thread" all stocked up with cuddly counsellors and aloe vera infused tissues ... but the therapy dogs, they all quit en masse ... quoting their own psychological needs as dogs and their refusal to be exploited further
;-)