Towering inferno in England (258)
27 tower blocks in 15 local authorities have failed fire safety tests.
Assuming there's roughly 500 people living in each one, that's 13,500 men, women and children who are, and have been, living with the risk of dying like those at Grenfell...so far.
Tests continue.
Assuming there's roughly 500 people living in each one, that's 13,500 men, women and children who are, and have been, living with the risk of dying like those at Grenfell...so far.
Tests continue.
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An accident, Tru?
With the police considering charges of manslaughter upwards?
Let me ask you Tru, do you avoid all Irish people because of the Troubles? Do you avoid all German people? Do you avoid all
With the police considering charges of manslaughter upwards?
Let me ask you Tru, do you avoid all Irish people because of the Troubles? Do you avoid all German people? Do you avoid all
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...Norwegian people because of Anders Behring Breivik? Do you avoid all men because of Fred West, Peter Sutcliffe, or Ian Brady? All women because of Rose West, or Myra Hindley?
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truheart1941: ........who can answer this........: I have a loaf of bread......you see 2 children...crying for food.......one a Christian..and one a muslim......who should I feed....????.......my answer is.....both..........but as a muslim........do I think......why feed the infidel.....and give the whole loaf to the muslim child......because he is special.........no one is special......to give shows human.....just to take without giving.....is inhuman........learn IT.......jmo..............
Hi tru.
I hear you. Not unlike in war, I believe if we kill someone else we kill a Lillie bit of ourselves. Ending someone saveing nourishment is no ddiffereent.Conversely, this short 9/11 story below always grabs me and shows a much better side in us....
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Usman Farman lay flat on his back, expecting the glass, steel and concrete to overtake him.
A Pakistani by birth and Muslim by faith, Farman was just a recent college graduate going to work when his PATH train pulled into the World Trade Center stop shortly before 9 a.m. September 11. The ensuing events landed him on the ground as the South Tower fell blocks away in a sudden, violent fury.
His story might have ended there. But a Hasidic Jewish man broke from the fleeing mob, approached him, read the Muslim prayer engraved in Arabic on a pendant around Farman's neck, then extended his hand.
"Brother, if you don't mind, there is a cloud of glass coming at us, grab my hand, let's get the hell out of here," the man said in a thick New York accent, according to Farman.
In the days after the terrorist attacks, Farman took it upon himself to reach out. He fired off an emotional e-mail missive to friends and Dr. Joseph Morone, president of his alma mater, Bentley College.
"As I found out, regardless of who we are, and where we come from, we only have each other," wrote Farman.
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A good story, Galrads.
And how it should be.
And how it should be.
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By the close of the day, 34 tower blocks across the UK had been deemed unsafe.
She 4,000 people have been evacuated from their homes.
Jeremy Corbyn has urged the prime minister to convene meeting
She 4,000 people have been evacuated from their homes.
Jeremy Corbyn has urged the prime minister to convene meeting
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...to convene a meeting of the government's emergency response committee Cobra to deal with what he described as a 'national threat'
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According to u.s. NPR, "the type of siding or "cladding" used on the Grenfell Tower in London — — is not allowed on the exterior of tall buildings across most of the U.S.
But a few states and the District of Columbia have relaxed their building codes in recent years and have started to permit the material's use." (Apparently this is permissible now for buildings higher than 40 feet here if the building has other fire safety measures in place, such as a working sprinkler system.)
Jac.... thanks again for the inside info.
But a few states and the District of Columbia have relaxed their building codes in recent years and have started to permit the material's use." (Apparently this is permissible now for buildings higher than 40 feet here if the building has other fire safety measures in place, such as a working sprinkler system.)
Jac.... thanks again for the inside info.
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And the reports over here are saying this type of cladding is illegal in the US.
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Oh, and again, you're more than welcome Galrads.
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Proposals to relax fire safety standards for new school buildings as a cost-cutting measure in the wake of the Grenfell fire have been dropped.
With thousands facing evacuation from high rise buildings deemed unsafe, the charity Shelter warned that up to a million families face eviction from private rented accommodation by 2020 due to rising rents, cost-cutting benefit freezes and a lack of investment in social housing.
Police have warned that due to austerity measures, they do not have the resources to cope with civil unrest and rioting.
With thousands facing evacuation from high rise buildings deemed unsafe, the charity Shelter warned that up to a million families face eviction from private rented accommodation by 2020 due to rising rents, cost-cutting benefit freezes and a lack of investment in social housing.
Police have warned that due to austerity measures, they do not have the resources to cope with civil unrest and rioting.
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I think that the authorities have not solved well the housing problem after the emergency evacuation.
I read that some tenants have resisted leaving, isn't true?
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galrads: Is this real. Just read about this West London fire ire on-line. Forty engines reported here to be onsite there. I hope everyone is ok!
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theres been another
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Yes, some residents have resisted leaving, Guzman.
I think that might be to do with the chaotic way events have unfolded.
Initially, residents were told they were safe, but further tests and consultation with the fire service who were patrolling the corridors of the tower blocks in Camden lead the Labour MP to make the decision to evacuate.
It's reported that she asked the fire service if they could guarantee the safety of the residents and they replied 'no'.
The situation is further confused by a fire in one of the blocks two years ago being contained.
Residents are also unhappy about the standard of emergency alternative accommodation.
It's perhaps understandable that residents are angry, confused and frightened. Mixed information has lead many to mistrust the authorities.
Social workers, the fire brigade and other public sector employees are working with residents in a bid to avoid legal measures being used to compulsorily evacuate them.
If my family were in that situation, my daughter and I managing our back to back shifts, my granddaughter's care, laundry of work and school clothes, restricted diet, costs, etc., it would be a logistical nightmare. It's tricky enough as it is in the privacy of our own home where we have facilities and space to rest.
I think that might be to do with the chaotic way events have unfolded.
Initially, residents were told they were safe, but further tests and consultation with the fire service who were patrolling the corridors of the tower blocks in Camden lead the Labour MP to make the decision to evacuate.
It's reported that she asked the fire service if they could guarantee the safety of the residents and they replied 'no'.
The situation is further confused by a fire in one of the blocks two years ago being contained.
Residents are also unhappy about the standard of emergency alternative accommodation.
It's perhaps understandable that residents are angry, confused and frightened. Mixed information has lead many to mistrust the authorities.
Social workers, the fire brigade and other public sector employees are working with residents in a bid to avoid legal measures being used to compulsorily evacuate them.
If my family were in that situation, my daughter and I managing our back to back shifts, my granddaughter's care, laundry of work and school clothes, restricted diet, costs, etc., it would be a logistical nightmare. It's tricky enough as it is in the privacy of our own home where we have facilities and space to rest.
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I'm trying to find info on the second fire, but can only find a poor quality report where the times don't make sense.
It appears a top floor flat of a tower block caught fire.
One report of smoke inhalation, no deaths.
It appears a top floor flat of a tower block caught fire.
One report of smoke inhalation, no deaths.
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Reports of a huge fire in a tower block seem sensationalist from the sensationalist paper, The Star.
From the pictures it looks like a four story converted Victorian mill (factory) which, under the nicely painted render will likely be brick.
Whilst the fire was big, no doubt gutting the flat and roof at one top corner of the building, it's thankfully not another Grenfell.
From the pictures it looks like a four story converted Victorian mill (factory) which, under the nicely painted render will likely be brick.
Whilst the fire was big, no doubt gutting the flat and roof at one top corner of the building, it's thankfully not another Grenfell.
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60 tower blocks across the UK have been found to have unsafe cladding.
Whilst it has been acknowledged that landlords will have been reviewing the buildings they have most concerns about first, every single sample tested so far has failed combustability tests.
It's not thought that every building will have to be evacuated - the decision to evacuate the five blocks in Camden was in combination with other fire safety issues.
As witnesses have described dozens of people jumping from Grenfell windows and bodies piled up in stairwells and corridors, it is believed the death toll will rise considerably.
The police use Interpol guidelines for identifying victims of disasters which involves only declaring those deaths they are certain of. It has been acknowledged that sub-letting and the reluctance of undocumented migrants to come forward will make determining the exact number of people in the building on the night of the fire difficult.
Whilst it has been acknowledged that landlords will have been reviewing the buildings they have most concerns about first, every single sample tested so far has failed combustability tests.
It's not thought that every building will have to be evacuated - the decision to evacuate the five blocks in Camden was in combination with other fire safety issues.
As witnesses have described dozens of people jumping from Grenfell windows and bodies piled up in stairwells and corridors, it is believed the death toll will rise considerably.
The police use Interpol guidelines for identifying victims of disasters which involves only declaring those deaths they are certain of. It has been acknowledged that sub-letting and the reluctance of undocumented migrants to come forward will make determining the exact number of people in the building on the night of the fire difficult.
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Will you expect comments into the next months or until it stops your heart aching.
Healing...any sign of it? Futile..
Healing...any sign of it? Futile..
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jac_the_gripper: 60 tower blocks across the UK have been found to have unsafe cladding.
Whilst it has been acknowledged that landlords will have been reviewing the buildings they have most concerns about first, every single sample tested so far has failed combustability tests.
It's not thought that every building will have to be evacuated - the decision to evacuate the five blocks in Camden was in combination with other fire safety issues.
As witnesses have described dozens of people jumping from Grenfell windows and bodies piled up in stairwells and corridors, it is believed the death toll will rise considerably.
The police use Interpol guidelines for identifying victims of disasters which involves only declaring those deaths they are certain of. It has been acknowledged that sub-letting and the reluctance of undocumented migrants to come forward will make determining the exact number of people in the building on the night of the fire difficult.
These people are being treated worse than animals . No farmer could just ignore deaths of livestock like the police are doing . I suspect its an attempt to lower the political effect rather than any difficulty in counting and recovering bodies , which will need to be recovered anyway .Whilst it has been acknowledged that landlords will have been reviewing the buildings they have most concerns about first, every single sample tested so far has failed combustability tests.
It's not thought that every building will have to be evacuated - the decision to evacuate the five blocks in Camden was in combination with other fire safety issues.
As witnesses have described dozens of people jumping from Grenfell windows and bodies piled up in stairwells and corridors, it is believed the death toll will rise considerably.
The police use Interpol guidelines for identifying victims of disasters which involves only declaring those deaths they are certain of. It has been acknowledged that sub-letting and the reluctance of undocumented migrants to come forward will make determining the exact number of people in the building on the night of the fire difficult.
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Are you saying that a Muslim person wouldn't share the bread between the two hungry children?
If you are saying that, then you plainly haven't spent any time with any Muslim people.