Towering inferno in England (258)
The inquest were opened and adjourned for four of the people who died in the Grenfell fire today:
Isaac Paulo, aged 5. He vanished in thick smoke on the 13th floor as his family escaped from their home on the 18th floor. Preliminary findings of the cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes. The little boy was identified by his dental records.
Khadija Saye, aged 24. A newly discovered photographic artist with her work currently on display in Venice, she was due to be the subject of a documentary about her work. She was found in the hallway of the ninth floor having escaped her 20th floor flat where she lived with her mother. Preliminary findings of the cause of death were given as inhalation of fire fumes and burns.
Mary Ajaoi Augustus Mendy, aged 54. Khadija Saye's mum. She was found on the 13th floor, four floors above her daughter with whom she had an inseparable bond. The provisional cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes pending further investigation. She was identified via dental records.
Mohammednur Tucco, aged 44. His body was recovered by the nearby leisure centre. He was reported missing along with his wife and three year old daughter after visiting relatives in the Tower. His provisional cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes.
Isaac Paulo, aged 5. He vanished in thick smoke on the 13th floor as his family escaped from their home on the 18th floor. Preliminary findings of the cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes. The little boy was identified by his dental records.
Khadija Saye, aged 24. A newly discovered photographic artist with her work currently on display in Venice, she was due to be the subject of a documentary about her work. She was found in the hallway of the ninth floor having escaped her 20th floor flat where she lived with her mother. Preliminary findings of the cause of death were given as inhalation of fire fumes and burns.
Mary Ajaoi Augustus Mendy, aged 54. Khadija Saye's mum. She was found on the 13th floor, four floors above her daughter with whom she had an inseparable bond. The provisional cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes pending further investigation. She was identified via dental records.
Mohammednur Tucco, aged 44. His body was recovered by the nearby leisure centre. He was reported missing along with his wife and three year old daughter after visiting relatives in the Tower. His provisional cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes.
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At you inquests today the coroner also reported that delays in recovering more bodies was due to shoring up the building in dangerous conditions.
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epirb: I cannot think of a more flammable product to build from than styrofoam . Tarred paper covering rotting timber buildings in the 1666 London fire have nothing on this stuff . It is solid death just waiting for a spark .
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Pioneer. Innovator. Leader.
Since the dawn of the aluminum industry, the name Alcoa has been synonymous with operational excellence and leadership in the production of Bauxite, Alumina and Aluminum products. We invented the aluminum industry in 1888 and we continue to innovate with new technologies and processes.
World's largest bauxite mining portfolio
An attractive global alumina refining system
Optimized aluminum smelting network
Innovative cast products network
Flexible energy portfolio
Maximizing synergies between can sheet and other Alcoa markets
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jac_the_gripper: The inquest were opened and adjourned for four of the people who died in the Grenfell fire today:
Isaac Paulo, aged 5. He vanished in thick smoke on the 13th floor as his family escaped from their home on the 18th floor. Preliminary findings of the cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes. The little boy was identified by his dental records.
Khadija Saye, aged 24. A newly discovered photographic artist with her work currently on display in Venice, she was due to be the subject of a documentary about her work. She was found in the hallway of the ninth floor having escaped her 20th floor flat where she lived with her mother. Preliminary findings of the cause of death were given as inhalation of fire fumes and burns.
Mary Ajaoi Augustus Mendy, aged 54. Khadija Saye's mum. She was found on the 13th floor, four floors above her daughter with whom she had an inseparable bond. The provisional cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes pending further investigation. She was identified via dental records.
Mohammednur Tucco, aged 44. His body was recovered by the nearby leisure centre. He was reported missing along with his wife and three year old daughter after visiting relatives in the Tower. His provisional cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes.
Isaac Paulo, aged 5. He vanished in thick smoke on the 13th floor as his family escaped from their home on the 18th floor. Preliminary findings of the cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes. The little boy was identified by his dental records.
Khadija Saye, aged 24. A newly discovered photographic artist with her work currently on display in Venice, she was due to be the subject of a documentary about her work. She was found in the hallway of the ninth floor having escaped her 20th floor flat where she lived with her mother. Preliminary findings of the cause of death were given as inhalation of fire fumes and burns.
Mary Ajaoi Augustus Mendy, aged 54. Khadija Saye's mum. She was found on the 13th floor, four floors above her daughter with whom she had an inseparable bond. The provisional cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes pending further investigation. She was identified via dental records.
Mohammednur Tucco, aged 44. His body was recovered by the nearby leisure centre. He was reported missing along with his wife and three year old daughter after visiting relatives in the Tower. His provisional cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes.
These gruesome descriptions of these Earth accounts is beyond my comprehension. Hope the investigation has filmed the discovery of every resident in Grenfell and that the architects, engineers, inspectors and all authorities involved In this catastrophe are forced to review their multiple murders and prosecuted.
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robplum: Think Alcoa
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Since the dawn of the aluminum industry, the name Alcoa has been synonymous with operational excellence and leadership in the production of Bauxite, Alumina and Aluminum products. We invented the aluminum industry in 1888 and we continue to innovate with new technologies and processes.
World's largest bauxite mining portfolio
An attractive global alumina refining system
Optimized aluminum smelting network
Innovative cast products network
Flexible energy portfolio
Maximizing synergies between can sheet and other Alcoa markets
In today's aluminum market, where lean operation is critical, our comprehensive portfolio of assets and our operating experience make Alcoa uniquely built to lead. We are known worldwide as a values-based company that holds to the highest standards of excellence–operational, environmental, and ethical—as essential for our business. We never stop looking for ways to be more productive, efficient, innovative and sustainable in order to deliver the best products and outcomes to our customers and shareholders.
Pioneer. Innovator. Leader.
Since the dawn of the aluminum industry, the name Alcoa has been synonymous with operational excellence and leadership in the production of Bauxite, Alumina and Aluminum products. We invented the aluminum industry in 1888 and we continue to innovate with new technologies and processes.
World's largest bauxite mining portfolio
An attractive global alumina refining system
Optimized aluminum smelting network
Innovative cast products network
Flexible energy portfolio
Maximizing synergies between can sheet and other Alcoa markets
In today's aluminum market, where lean operation is critical, our comprehensive portfolio of assets and our operating experience make Alcoa uniquely built to lead. We are known worldwide as a values-based company that holds to the highest standards of excellence–operational, environmental, and ethical—as essential for our business. We never stop looking for ways to be more productive, efficient, innovative and sustainable in order to deliver the best products and outcomes to our customers and shareholders.
Rob.... does alco somehow have some liability in this catastrophe?
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The company which supplied the aluminium composite material cladding panels for Grenfell has been reported as Arconic.
95 samples of cladding, believed to all be from council owned high rise buildings have failed combustability tests. That remains a 100% failure rate and Theresa May has ordered a national inquiry.
It's thought that not all buildings will be evacuated. Camden council evacuated five of it's tower blocks due to 'a particular set of circumstances' which included hundreds of fire doors missing.
95 samples of cladding, believed to all be from council owned high rise buildings have failed combustability tests. That remains a 100% failure rate and Theresa May has ordered a national inquiry.
It's thought that not all buildings will be evacuated. Camden council evacuated five of it's tower blocks due to 'a particular set of circumstances' which included hundreds of fire doors missing.
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It has been reported both speculatively and from the four initial inquests, that most deaths will have occurred from inhalation of fire fumes. There is the likelihood of carbon monoxide poisoning and the recent revelation of hydrogen cyanide toxicity from the burning insulation.
People trying to escape the fire have been reported as piled up. One man described tripping over bodies until he reached the fourth floor where he finally fell. He came face to face with a dead man, an image he said he would likely never be able to erase. As he began to lose consciousness, prostrate on the floor, he was grabbed by a fire fighter and dragged to safety.
The positioning of the bodies will likely tell a story for each person who died, but what other stories will be told?
Those families on the highest floors who were seen flashing mobile phone torches from windows, what will their story be?
What would any of us do in those circumstances? Would we try to comfort our children? Would we hold on to our loved ones in our terror and regret?
I wonder what stories are confronting the recovery teams in the attitudes of the remains.
I doubt any of them will have been counting their money.
People trying to escape the fire have been reported as piled up. One man described tripping over bodies until he reached the fourth floor where he finally fell. He came face to face with a dead man, an image he said he would likely never be able to erase. As he began to lose consciousness, prostrate on the floor, he was grabbed by a fire fighter and dragged to safety.
The positioning of the bodies will likely tell a story for each person who died, but what other stories will be told?
Those families on the highest floors who were seen flashing mobile phone torches from windows, what will their story be?
What would any of us do in those circumstances? Would we try to comfort our children? Would we hold on to our loved ones in our terror and regret?
I wonder what stories are confronting the recovery teams in the attitudes of the remains.
I doubt any of them will have been counting their money.
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The number of recovered bodies, or missing presumed dead has risen to 80.
Of the 129 flats at Grenfell, police have spoken with survivors of 106 of them to establish who was living in each and whether there were any visitors at the time of the fire. Records from the landlord were found to inaccurate.
Of the 23 remaining flats, no survivors have been located so far to try and establish an accurate figure. Police have followed a new of investigative avenues, including information about take away food deliveries.
Scotland Yard have warned the death toll will likely rise and it may take until the end of the year to establish the total need of people who have died. They have said that identifications may take many months more and some bodies may never be recovered.
Of the 129 flats at Grenfell, police have spoken with survivors of 106 of them to establish who was living in each and whether there were any visitors at the time of the fire. Records from the landlord were found to inaccurate.
Of the 23 remaining flats, no survivors have been located so far to try and establish an accurate figure. Police have followed a new of investigative avenues, including information about take away food deliveries.
Scotland Yard have warned the death toll will likely rise and it may take until the end of the year to establish the total need of people who have died. They have said that identifications may take many months more and some bodies may never be recovered.
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Scotland Yard has reported that so far, 60 companies have been identified as being involved in the renovations of Grenfell.
This figure is also expected to rise.
This figure is also expected to rise.
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Leena Belkadi, 6 months old. Found in the stairwell between the 19th and 20th floors in her mother's arms. Cause of death, inhalation of fire fumes.
Leena's mummy, Farah Hamdan and her daddy Omar Belkadi also died. Their inquests have already been open and adjourned.
Malak Belkadi, aged 8. Taken to St. Mary's hospital, but later died. Cause of death, inhalation of fire fumes.
A third sister, Tazmin Belkadi, aged 6, was taken to hospital and survives her family.
Mohammed Al Haj Ali, aged 23. The first of the victims to be formally identified, the Syrian refugee and engineering student was found outside the block. Cause of death, multiple injuries consistent with a fall from a height.
Husna Begum, aged 22. Found in the lobby near the lifts of the 17th floor, identified by dental records, cause of death 'consistent with the effects of fire'.
Rabeya Begum, aged 64. Husna's relative was also identified by dental records, but she was found inside their 17th floor flat. Cause of death 'consistent with the effects of fire'.
Three other members of Husna's family have been reported missing, but it is as yet not known what became of them.
Mohammed Amied Neda, aged 57. Lived on the 23rd floor, but was found outside the building. Cause of death, multiple injuries consistent with a fall from a height. His family were taken to hospital with severe injuries. A Facebook post from Zia Popal who described him as an uncle, said he had gone to the top floor to help others when he went missing.
Abdeslam Sebbar, aged 67. Found in a flat on the 11th floor, cause of death, inhalation of fire fumes.
Leena's mummy, Farah Hamdan and her daddy Omar Belkadi also died. Their inquests have already been open and adjourned.
Malak Belkadi, aged 8. Taken to St. Mary's hospital, but later died. Cause of death, inhalation of fire fumes.
A third sister, Tazmin Belkadi, aged 6, was taken to hospital and survives her family.
Mohammed Al Haj Ali, aged 23. The first of the victims to be formally identified, the Syrian refugee and engineering student was found outside the block. Cause of death, multiple injuries consistent with a fall from a height.
Husna Begum, aged 22. Found in the lobby near the lifts of the 17th floor, identified by dental records, cause of death 'consistent with the effects of fire'.
Rabeya Begum, aged 64. Husna's relative was also identified by dental records, but she was found inside their 17th floor flat. Cause of death 'consistent with the effects of fire'.
Three other members of Husna's family have been reported missing, but it is as yet not known what became of them.
Mohammed Amied Neda, aged 57. Lived on the 23rd floor, but was found outside the building. Cause of death, multiple injuries consistent with a fall from a height. His family were taken to hospital with severe injuries. A Facebook post from Zia Popal who described him as an uncle, said he had gone to the top floor to help others when he went missing.
Abdeslam Sebbar, aged 67. Found in a flat on the 11th floor, cause of death, inhalation of fire fumes.
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At least 89 people have died according to official reports.
Frustration at the lack of information being publicised has lead to volunteer demographers in conjunction with survivors, friends and families attempting to compile their own lists of survivors, confirmed dead, missing presumed dead and missing and unaccounted for.
One estimate quoted as 'probably conservative' put the number of dead at 103. Another estimated 120.
One survivor is described as having been sleeping on his friends' sofa following marital difficulties and was not registered at the address. Another man was sharing a one bedroomed flat with his aunt while studying and was not registered at the address.
'Sofa surfing' is common in London where rental properties are in high demand and extortionately priced. People who were not registered as living at Grenfell are facing homelessness and may not get access to other support services.
The likelihood of non-registered residents is complicating the recovery phase as teams sift through the debris trying to distinguish human remains from other detritus.
A 12 month immigration amnesty has been declared for residents. That seems to have changed from the apparent amnesty declared in the earliest days of the disaster. It has been deemed ineffective in both providing support for those affected and in terms of people contacting the authorities to provide vital information.
Of the 23 flats where no known survivors have been located, police are reviewing 26 calls to the emergency services on the night of the fire in an attempt to ascertain the number of occupants.
The mayor of London has launched an investigation into the London Fire Brigade's standard practise and equipment. Firefighters have highlighted that a 10 metre aerial ladder was not issued in the initial response and consequently did not arrive until after the fire had spread beyond the fourth floor. It has also been suggested that the water pressure available at the time was insufficient and difficulties with radio communication hampered operations.
203 samples of cladding from council owned tower blocks around the UK have failed combustability tests.
Frustration at the lack of information being publicised has lead to volunteer demographers in conjunction with survivors, friends and families attempting to compile their own lists of survivors, confirmed dead, missing presumed dead and missing and unaccounted for.
One estimate quoted as 'probably conservative' put the number of dead at 103. Another estimated 120.
One survivor is described as having been sleeping on his friends' sofa following marital difficulties and was not registered at the address. Another man was sharing a one bedroomed flat with his aunt while studying and was not registered at the address.
'Sofa surfing' is common in London where rental properties are in high demand and extortionately priced. People who were not registered as living at Grenfell are facing homelessness and may not get access to other support services.
The likelihood of non-registered residents is complicating the recovery phase as teams sift through the debris trying to distinguish human remains from other detritus.
A 12 month immigration amnesty has been declared for residents. That seems to have changed from the apparent amnesty declared in the earliest days of the disaster. It has been deemed ineffective in both providing support for those affected and in terms of people contacting the authorities to provide vital information.
Of the 23 flats where no known survivors have been located, police are reviewing 26 calls to the emergency services on the night of the fire in an attempt to ascertain the number of occupants.
The mayor of London has launched an investigation into the London Fire Brigade's standard practise and equipment. Firefighters have highlighted that a 10 metre aerial ladder was not issued in the initial response and consequently did not arrive until after the fire had spread beyond the fourth floor. It has also been suggested that the water pressure available at the time was insufficient and difficulties with radio communication hampered operations.
203 samples of cladding from council owned tower blocks around the UK have failed combustability tests.
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jac_the_gripper: At least 89 people have died according to official reports.
Frustration at the lack of information being publicised has lead to volunteer demographers in conjunction with survivors, friends and families attempting to compile their own lists of survivors, confirmed dead, missing presumed dead and missing and unaccounted for.
One estimate quoted as 'probably conservative' put the number of dead at 103. Another estimated 120.
One survivor is described as having been sleeping on his friends' sofa following marital difficulties and was not registered at the address. Another man was sharing a one bedroomed flat with his aunt while studying and was not registered at the address.
'Sofa surfing' is common in London where rental properties are in high demand and extortionately priced. People who were not registered as living at Grenfell are facing homelessness and may not get access to other support services.
The likelihood of non-registered residents is complicating the recovery phase as teams sift through the debris trying to distinguish human remains from other detritus.
A 12 month immigration amnesty has been declared for residents. That seems to have changed from the apparent amnesty declared in the earliest days of the disaster. It has been deemed ineffective in both providing support for those affected and in terms of people contacting the authorities to provide vital information.
Of the 23 flats where no known survivors have been located, police are reviewing 26 calls to the emergency services on the night of the fire in an attempt to ascertain the number of occupants.
The mayor of London has launched an investigation into the London Fire Brigade's standard practise and equipment. Firefighters have highlighted that a 10 metre aerial ladder was not issued in the initial response and consequently did not arrive until after the fire had spread beyond the fourth floor. It has also been suggested that the water pressure available at the time was insufficient and difficulties with radio communication hampered operations.
203 samples of cladding from council owned tower blocks around the UK have failed combustability tests.
Yes it was a very shocking disaster and should never have happened...I really hope those responsible will be charged and sent to prisonFrustration at the lack of information being publicised has lead to volunteer demographers in conjunction with survivors, friends and families attempting to compile their own lists of survivors, confirmed dead, missing presumed dead and missing and unaccounted for.
One estimate quoted as 'probably conservative' put the number of dead at 103. Another estimated 120.
One survivor is described as having been sleeping on his friends' sofa following marital difficulties and was not registered at the address. Another man was sharing a one bedroomed flat with his aunt while studying and was not registered at the address.
'Sofa surfing' is common in London where rental properties are in high demand and extortionately priced. People who were not registered as living at Grenfell are facing homelessness and may not get access to other support services.
The likelihood of non-registered residents is complicating the recovery phase as teams sift through the debris trying to distinguish human remains from other detritus.
A 12 month immigration amnesty has been declared for residents. That seems to have changed from the apparent amnesty declared in the earliest days of the disaster. It has been deemed ineffective in both providing support for those affected and in terms of people contacting the authorities to provide vital information.
Of the 23 flats where no known survivors have been located, police are reviewing 26 calls to the emergency services on the night of the fire in an attempt to ascertain the number of occupants.
The mayor of London has launched an investigation into the London Fire Brigade's standard practise and equipment. Firefighters have highlighted that a 10 metre aerial ladder was not issued in the initial response and consequently did not arrive until after the fire had spread beyond the fourth floor. It has also been suggested that the water pressure available at the time was insufficient and difficulties with radio communication hampered operations.
203 samples of cladding from council owned tower blocks around the UK have failed combustability tests.
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Make the ruling 'global elites' live
in these crappy lookin hi-rise/tower blocks...
these ugly housing projects are perfect for
housing turd world immigrant scum as well
as breeding endless crime...the UK is doomed...
think Chitcago USSA; which is now bankrupt.
in these crappy lookin hi-rise/tower blocks...
these ugly housing projects are perfect for
housing turd world immigrant scum as well
as breeding endless crime...the UK is doomed...
think Chitcago USSA; which is now bankrupt.
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crayons: Make the ruling 'global elites' live
in these crappy lookin hi-rise/tower blocks...
these ugly housing projects are perfect for
housing turd world immigrant scum as well
as breeding endless crime...the UK is doomed...
think Chitcago USSA; which is now bankrupt.
in these crappy lookin hi-rise/tower blocks...
these ugly housing projects are perfect for
housing turd world immigrant scum as well
as breeding endless crime...the UK is doomed...
think Chitcago USSA; which is now bankrupt.
Come on crayons, have a heart here. Those who died in Grenfell were murdered. Fire is one of the cruelest way to kill someone.
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galrads: Come on crayons, have a heart here. Those who died in Grenfell were murdered. Fire is one of the cruelest way to kill someone.
murder ?
negligent homicide charges for contractors, government officials, and inspectors who were aware of the "cheaper" combustible cladding product and then made the decision to install, knowing full well that it was against code regulations.
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maneuver1: murder ?
negligent homicide charges for contractors, government officials, and inspectors who were aware of the "cheaper" combustible cladding product and then made the decision to install, knowing full well that it was against code regulations.
negligent homicide charges for contractors, government officials, and inspectors who were aware of the "cheaper" combustible cladding product and then made the decision to install, knowing full well that it was against code regulations.
Denying that V=IR doesn't change the truth that V=IR
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galrads: Clooney is
meet the Clooneys!
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I think perhaps the public are unaware of the scale of the devastation in the building.
I've mentioned this earlier - if all the complete bodies have been removed from the tower as stated and there are 19 bodies in the mortuary, that leaves at least 60 reported missing bodies that are incomplete.
I suspect 'complete' refers to not only bodies that aren't dismembered, but ones which aren't severely charred. If surviving residents have reported bodies piled up in corridors and stairwells, the intensity of the fire may have made it impossible to establish how many remains are in each pile without meticulous in situ forensic exploration in dangerous and difficult conditions.
Where there were explosions, bodies may be fragmented. If two charred arms and two legs are found, is that one child, or four?
If the aim is not only to establish the number of dead, but to identify the bodies and return them to loved ones for burial,
it's going to take a lot of painstaking forensic work.
Perhaps part of the problem is simply not being able to graphically describe the scenes of devastation to the public. It has been hinted at, but perhaps not many have, or want to put the pieces of information together. It certainly has been made clear that some bodies may never be identified on many occasions.
I could go on listing the difficulties that have been reported piecemeal in the media, but suffice it to say the people working the recovery phase probably could do without criticism and accusations right now.