Towering inferno in England ( Archived) (258)

Jul 12, 2017 3:52 PM CST Towering inferno in England
@Ken...

I think having a roof over their head is important to most people.

It's generally fairly important to have a roof over your head situated such that you can get to your place of employment, too.

That doesn't alter the fact that very often rents and other primary need expenses like food, water, shoes, etc., exceed incomes.

People don't earn enough to obtain mortgages. Even if people went without food and sent their kids to school naked, they wouldn't be able to save enough to get enough capital to buy a property because they'd never keep up with the constantly inflating property market.

Property tax...?
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Jul 12, 2017 3:59 PM CST Towering inferno in England
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I see your point, epirb.

The victims of this crime were probably wearing short skirts and were asking for it.


uh oh rolling on the floor laughing laugh
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Jul 12, 2017 4:51 PM CST Towering inferno in England
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I see your point, epirb.

The victims of this crime were probably wearing short skirts and were asking for it.
I think you may have missed it
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Jul 12, 2017 6:27 PM CST Towering inferno in England
@epirb...

I have listed some of the victims, some details about them and their cause of death.

Please feel free to explain how each of them turned their own country into a slaughter house, how they have threatened 'us' and how they intended to turn the entire world I to a slaughter house.

Only from where I'm standing, the slaughter house appears to be Grenfell.
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Jul 20, 2017 2:45 PM CST Towering inferno in England
The funeral was held yesterday for Logan Isaac Gomes.

The baby boy was stillborn as his 7 months pregnant mother lay unconscious. She had escaped from the 21st floor with the rest of her family through thick smoke.

His heart had stopped beating.
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Jul 20, 2017 2:48 PM CST Towering inferno in England
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
jac_the_gripper: The funeral was held yesterday for Logan Isaac Gomes.

The baby boy was stillborn as his 7 months pregnant mother lay unconscious. She had escaped from the 21st floor with the rest of her family through thick smoke.

His heart had stopped beating.


blues sad flower
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Jul 20, 2017 3:27 PM CST Towering inferno in England
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
jac_the_gripper: The funeral was held yesterday for Logan Isaac Gomes.

The baby boy was stillborn as his 7 months pregnant mother lay unconscious. She had escaped from the 21st floor with the rest of her family through thick smoke.

His heart had stopped beating.


Geeez sad flower
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Jul 22, 2017 3:18 PM CST Towering inferno in England
Recovery teams will be sifting through 15 tons of debris on each of the 24 floors until Christmas in a bid to find some remains of each victim.

The fire raged at over 1,000C for some considerable time.

Majority Vital, 68, is the latest victim to be identified.

It has been revealed that sprinklers were not fitted at Grenfell because residents would have had to vacate the building while asbestos was removed.
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Jul 22, 2017 3:26 PM CST Towering inferno in England
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Disasters of archytecture. doh
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Jul 22, 2017 3:48 PM CST Towering inferno in England
MetaMaus
MetaMausMetaMausKilkenny, Ireland4 Threads 501 Posts
The British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association estimates that the cost of fitting a system in Grenfell Tower would have been around £200,000.

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Jul 22, 2017 3:56 PM CST Towering inferno in England
MikeD12
MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Recovery teams will be sifting through 15 tons of debris on each of the 24 floors until Christmas in a bid to find some remains of each victim. The fire raged at over 1,000C for some considerable time.
Majority Vital, 68, is the latest victim to be identified. It has been revealed that sprinklers were not fitted at Grenfell because residents would have had to vacate the building while asbestos was removed.


Typical - But IMO The saddest thing of all in this tragedy and Murder of the innocents is that
1. Chelsea & Kensington Council is Conservative controlled and was made fully aware of all the problems in that building but blatantly dismissed and ignored them before the cheap crap Cladding was fitted .
2. The UK Government since 2010 was also fully aware and the Conservatives in Parliament also Knew long before the fire actually happened.
3. All persons in charge of all the relevant departments who knew but did nothing and ignored the problems, should, by now, have been been arrested pending corporate manslaughter charges Instead of the poor victims having to wait for all the wind & piss in parliament over who does what with the alleged Hillsborough style enquiries, with secret masonic lodge instructions from "the inside establishment mafia" to ensure the inevitable white-washes.

IMHO The only way to get it sorted quicky nor palament has broken up for their HOL's is to keep up the pressure.
by Mass civil disobedience.

Union protest marches and strikes on Government sites - Street Demonstrations and Protest marches every day all over London by as many people as possible without notice and the Met police would be powerless to arrest them all. BUT I will not happen
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Jul 22, 2017 3:56 PM CST Towering inferno in England
MikeD12
MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Recovery teams will be sifting through 15 tons of debris on each of the 24 floors until Christmas in a bid to find some remains of each victim. The fire raged at over 1,000C for some considerable time.
Majority Vital, 68, is the latest victim to be identified. It has been revealed that sprinklers were not fitted at Grenfell because residents would have had to vacate the building while asbestos was removed.


Typical - But IMO The saddest thing of all in this tragedy and Murder of the innocents is that
1. Chelsea & Kensington Council is Conservative controlled and was made fully aware of all the problems in that building but blatantly dismissed and ignored them before the cheap crap Cladding was fitted .
2. The UK Government since 2010 was also fully aware and the Conservatives in Parliament also Knew long before the fire actually happened.
3. All persons in charge of all the relevant departments who knew but did nothing and ignored the problems, should, by now, have been been arrested pending corporate manslaughter charges Instead of the poor victims having to wait for all the wind & piss in parliament over who does what with the alleged Hillsborough style enquiries, with secret masonic lodge instructions from "the inside establishment mafia" to ensure the inevitable white-washes.

IMHO The only way to get it sorted quicky nor palament has broken up for their HOL's is to keep up the pressure.
by Mass civil disobedience.

Union protest marches and strikes on Government sites - Street Demonstrations and Protest marches every day all over London by as many people as possible without notice and the Met police would be powerless to arrest them all. BUT I will not happen
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Jul 23, 2017 3:21 AM CST Towering inferno in England
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
I don't know if it's the tories or the labourists, but someone in the government should clarify the personal responsabilities.

Other buildings in the same risk still not evacuated.
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Jul 24, 2017 4:50 PM CST Towering inferno in England
I think the Conservatives might need to plead the fifth ammendment on this one, Guzman.

It's one of the issues with the format of the inquiry - the judge and jury are also the witnesses and defendants.
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Jul 28, 2017 6:15 PM CST Towering inferno in England
A local resident has described the the that the sight of the burnt out tower is like looking at an open coffin.

It has been reported that covering Grenfell will begin in about three weeks time.

Survivors and families affected by the fire were locked out of a council meeting until officials decided they were ready for their contributions. The residents in turn pleaded for humanity after their knocking at the door was ignored.
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Jul 28, 2017 6:24 PM CST Towering inferno in England
yeah you can't trust any of them, it is the same in this country, over and over, elected servants talk any old crap while shirking their responsibilities, just like expecting our politicians to uphold our Constitution and not support parties that murders Australian citizens as Ukraine did in redirecting MH17, our politicians like bill Shorten and Tony Abbott support the west ukraine mass murders that are clearly responsible for the murder of 38 Australians among others, bit different but still same level of dishonesty.

Have they worked who started the fire or is that to hard for your lairs to get there heads around who lit it?
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Jul 29, 2017 2:21 PM CST Towering inferno in England
The fire started via a faulty fridge, I think on the 8th floor, Rob.

There hadn't been any previously recorded issues with the make and model of the fridge, but the company set up a hotline for consumers to contact them. I'm not sure what other action the company took.

The issue wasn't really the fridge, anyway. A fire inside one flat should have been containable for approximately an hour - plenty of time for the fire services to extinguish it.

You might be interested that it has been reported in the British press that thousands of buildings have been found to be unsafe in Australia due to similar issues as those at Grenfell.
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Jul 29, 2017 4:06 PM CST Towering inferno in England
yep i knew they blamed a fridge (they can't speak) and i already posted quite a lot of detail about Australian cladding including and company details in this forum a while ago.
Rather my mind wondered if anyone seriously investigated how come a building with so many Muslim living it actually caught fire dunno I thought the fridge was on 4th floor...laugh
anyway you've dun a sterling job dearie thanks thanks for all the inforwave
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