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Aug 9, 2017 11:38 AM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
Kirsch’s claims appeared to receive a big boost from a meta-analysis published in January in the Journal of the American Medical Association and widely reported. The study concludes that “there is little evidence” that antidepressants are more effective than a placebo for minor to moderate depression. But, as a Cornell psychiatrist, Richard Friedman, noted in a column in the Times, the meta-analysis was based on just six trials, with a total of seven hundred and eighteen subjects; three of those trials tested Paxil, and three tested imipramine, one of the earliest antidepressants, first used in 1956. Since there have been hundreds of antidepressant drug trials and there are around twenty-five antidepressants on the market, this is not a large sample. The authors of the meta-analysis also assert that “for patients with very severe depression, the benefit of medications over placebo is substantial”—which suggests that antidepressants do affect mood through brain chemistry. The mystery remains unsolved.

Kirsch’s claims appeared to receive a big boost from a meta-analysis published in January in the Journal of the American Medical Association and widely reported.

The study concludes that “there is little evidence” that antidepressants are more effective than a placebo for minor to moderate depression. But, as a Cornell psychiatrist, Richard Friedman, noted in a column in the Times, the meta-analysis was based on just six trials, with a total of seven hundred and eighteen subjects; three of those trials tested Paxil, and three tested imipramine,

one of the earliest antidepressants, first used in 1956. Since there have been hundreds of antidepressant drug trials and there are around twenty-five antidepressants on the market, this is not a large sample.

The authors of the meta-analysis also assert that “for patients with very severe depression, the benefit of medications over placebo is substantial”—which suggests that antidepressants do affect mood through brain chemistry. The mystery remains unsolved.

Kirsch’s claims appeared to receive a big boost from a meta-analysis published in January in the Journal of the American Medical Association and widely reported.

The study concludes that “there is little evidence” that antidepressants are more effective than a placebo for minor to moderate depression. But, as a Cornell psychiatrist, Richard Friedman, noted in a column in the Times, the meta-analysis was based on just six trials, with a total of seven hundred and eighteen subjects; three of those trials tested Paxil, and three tested imipramine, one of the earliest antidepressants, first used in 1956. Since there have been hundreds of antidepressant drug trials and there are around twenty-five antidepressants on the market, this is not a large sample.

The authors of the meta-analysis also assert that “for patients with very severe depression, the benefit of medications over placebo is substantial”—which suggests that antidepressants do affect mood through brain chemistry. The mystery remains unsolved.


reference Is Psychiatry a Science? By John M. Grohol, Psy.D.
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Aug 9, 2017 11:53 AM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
placebos .



In short, when we think something will work, its chances of doing so increase dramatically.

Dr. Hall then refines that idea by giving it a sharper explanation: "What’s effective is not the placebo," meaning the benefit patients derive from a "dummy" pill, "but the meaning of the treatment." She hypothesizes that the power of the effect depends on four variables:

atient expectancy; motivation (the desire to improve one's health); a certain amount of conditioning, including from advertising; and endogenous opiates, or pain-relieving chemicals produced in the brain, which copy the effect of pain-relievers such as opiates.

To that end, it isn't so surprising to hear her claim: "A substantial percentage of the effects from antidepressants may be placebo effects." Her assertion jibes with one that PT blogger Dr. Philip Newton made on this site last December:

"In some controversial cases, such as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) anti-depressants," he wrote, "placebo effects are thought to account for a major proportion of the positive effects of a drug."


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Aug 9, 2017 12:55 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
the mind to me is a facsinating subject
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Aug 9, 2017 1:07 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
pedro27: the mind to me is a facsinating subject



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Aug 9, 2017 1:13 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
aries1234: It sure is Pedro




when the heart and mind unite .......part IV
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Aug 9, 2017 1:18 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
laugh laugh laugh i don't know why i'm laughing laugh ..............................................super
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Aug 9, 2017 1:37 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
In the UK, I think SSSRs are prescribed largely for that reason.

There is so little other support available and so many people with this illness, prescribing anti-depressants simply creates an illusion that people are getting help and that they aren't on their own.

That's often enough to stop people from topping themselves...the rest they mostly have to deal with on their own.

Unless they have a bad reaction to the most commonly prescribed SSSR, widely known to result in severe self-harm especially amongst young women, in which case they might end up dead anyway.

Although direct payoffs have now been banned, GPs still get perks from pharmaceutical companies for prescribing certain drugs.
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Aug 9, 2017 1:38 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
Lookin4missright: i don't know why i'm laughing ..............................................



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Aug 9, 2017 3:10 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
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MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
They are both pseudo science.
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Aug 9, 2017 3:15 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
MikeD12: They are both pseudo science.


explain that please
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Aug 9, 2017 3:23 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
aries1234: Perhaps you're having a mental nreakdown lub




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Aug 9, 2017 3:26 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
Lookin4missright
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pedro27: explain that please




I think he said me and you are coocoo laugh dunno
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Aug 9, 2017 3:34 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
Lookin4missright: I think he said me and you are coocoo




noting wrong with being coocoocheers
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Aug 9, 2017 3:44 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
pedro27: noting wrong with being coocoo



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Aug 9, 2017 4:06 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
Lookin4missright: true that i get my bills paid they can kiss our clocks



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Aug 9, 2017 4:11 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
pedro27: join a casino ..............bills no more.........but only if youre a lucky person


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Aug 9, 2017 4:31 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
aries1234: free food



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Aug 9, 2017 4:33 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
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aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
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Aug 9, 2017 5:01 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
pills- tranquilizers- have nothing to do with psychiatry......based on personal experience, the effects vary widely......the AMA is full of nonsense about placebos........tranq-dope does have effects- and consequences= the kids who did up Columbine were on Prozac.......they do not want you to know that.......I recall that valium did give a tranquil state of mind.........but Paxil is hell on wheels.......just garbage dope...........anyway, psychiatry involves personal therapy.......not gulping big pharma dope........I have objections to the term anti-depressants- most of it is the opposite-------producing a seemingly calm, but inwardly raging, lunatic..........
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Aug 9, 2017 5:37 PM CST are psychiatry and psychology sciences
MikeD12
MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
My opinions - based on articles I have read, discussions with so called "experts" with degrees in both so called Sciences relative to UK law and personal experience when I had a nervous breakdown in 1990 - I had to gat a lawyer to assist me against The NHS and Police so called experts.

1. Psychiatry cannot be proved
2. All Psychology and assessments cannot be proved but backs up the other in a court of law.

So called experts in either or both were called upon to assess with internment & possible prosecution by the state of folk who Publicly expressed opinions and beliefs deemed to contravene "normal behaviour"

Other examples - Agnosticism and atheism are the same when they are NOT and at one time believers were prosecuted and that an agnostic with an irreverent and outrageous SoH is both dangerous and criminally insane
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