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MikeD12online today! MikeD12

Broadstairs, Kent, England UK

Re: Where's the international help
rizlared: Actually, I can tell you with absolute certainty, that certain Royal Naval vessels were given orders to change courses and head towards the Caribbean some days prior to the hurricane being made totally public, they were then told to stand fast and wait until a safe passage could be made, at the same time special supplies were flown out to the ships and readied for use as soon as they made land.
Don't believe all you see and hear on the TV Mike!!


Maybe and with similar insider first hand knowledge that the Army & RAF were alerted and ready to go days in advance of the Hurriicane announcement on the Media, but were stifled and told to hold back by Politics via a MOD slack attitude to Logistics, Pen-pushing, the FO indecision to let them all get on with the job.
SpaceRam

San Vicente, Distrito Federal Argentina

Re: Where's the international help
aries1234: The British Government announced a further 25 Mil to the British Virgun Islands, as well as troops and supplies



Just thinking about the British troops makes me h*rny.


Imagine all those combat boots running in the mud.

Omg! banana
aries1234online today! aries1234

Ocean City, Plymouth, , UK

Re: Where's the international help
SpaceRam: Just thinking about the British troops makes me h*rny.


Imagine all those combat boots running in the mud.

Omg!


I expect a lot of the local girls are thinking the same way, they don't need visasrolling on the floor laughing purple heart
SpaceRam

San Vicente, Distrito Federal Argentina

Re: Where's the international help
aries1234: I expect a lot of the local girls are thinking the same way, they don't need visas



Damn. I got screwed in the location department .
crying
aries1234online today! aries1234

Ocean City, Plymouth, , UK

Re: Where's the international help
SpaceRam: Damn. I got screwed in the location department .


No they re Britis nationalsrolling on the floor laughing
SpaceRam

San Vicente, Distrito Federal Argentina

Re: Where's the international help
aries1234: No they re Britis nationals



Hey Aries,

Come and colonize this shimmy
rizlaredonline today! rizlared

Huangshan, Anhui, Anbei China

Re: Where's the international help
galrads: So, I've not heard of any other country offering their assistance with the Irma disaster yet. The USA folks are usually the first ones other countries expect to help them when a catastrophe happens to their country. Guess I should not surprised. USA first is a good idea.


What say you other nations?


Why would any other countries help the worlds richest country?

Trump needs to rebuild his Florida whorehouse, how many us citizens will help pay for that? Or maybe most intelligent thinkers will realise he can afford it on his own.
HexagonKeySet HexagonKeySet

Central, Waikato New Zealand

Re: Where's the international help
MikeD12: Maybe and with similar insider first hand knowledge that the Army & RAF were alerted and ready to go days in advance of the Hurriicane announcement on the Media, but were stifled and told to hold back by Politics via a MOD slack attitude to Logistics, Pen-pushing, the FO indecision to let them all get on with the job.



If you were to quit the rantin and the hatin and do some thinkin Mike you might consider the actual logistics of the exercise eg the foolishness of sending man and machine into danger, the value of having them nearby and at action stations etc,

You might also recognise the 'social and political' impact ... of a press announcements that led to even greater panic that was created 'OMG, it;s so bad that our own navy can't help us and we have to bring in the british navy ....'

I guess you're hell bent on expressing the wooden-headedness that kept you a private while others advanced through the ranks ?

cheers Have another beersie sedative ;-)
HexagonKeySet HexagonKeySet

Central, Waikato New Zealand

Re: Where's the international help
SpaceRam: Hey Aries,

Come and colonize this



I understand he's 'spoken for' in a different colon y ?

cheers
MikeD12online today! MikeD12

Broadstairs, Kent, England UK

Re: Where's the international help
HexagonKeySet: If you were to quit the rantin and the hatin and do some thinkin Mike you might consider the actual logistics of the exercise eg the foolishness of sending man and machine into danger, the value of having them nearby and at action stations etc, You might also recognise the 'social and political' impact ... of a press announcements that led to even greater panic that was created 'OMG, it;s so bad that our own navy can't help us and we have to bring in the british navy ... I guess you're hell bent on expressing the wooden-headedness that kept you a private while others advanced through the ranks ? Have another beersie sedative ;-)


Aside from your personal attacks get the facts right
1 The RAF don't have privates !!
2. I am entitled to my opinion regarding what happened recently based on what I know for a fact,
3. Read these
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/17/800people-stranded-mid-atlantic-runway-potholes-close-ascension/
That cannot be denied
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Ascension_Island
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island

4. The Primary function of the RAF base was for Defence of, and to provide assistance to people of the Mid & South Atlantic Islands. - And YOUR Navy and the US forces used it as did ours in the Falklands war.

Many of us think the causes of and blame for the UK forces inability to assist earlier in the recent disaster and last year too, can be firmly established as faults of the UK Government in withdrawing all maintenance funding from the base before and since 2010.--- The government since have rejected all repeated requests by all the service Chief's for full restoration of its original function at all meetings held with the MOD and cabinet ministers including PM's.

No further comment
HexagonKeySet HexagonKeySet

Central, Waikato New Zealand

Re: Where's the international help
MikeD12: Aside from your personal attacks get the facts right
1 The RAF don't have privates !!
2. I am entitled to my opinion regarding what happened recently based on what I know for a fact,
3. Read these
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/17/800people-stranded-mid-atlantic-runway-potholes-close-ascension/
That cannot be denied
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Ascension_Island
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island

4. The Primary function of the RAF base was for Defence of, and to provide assistance to people of the Mid & South Atlantic Islands. - And YOUR Navy and the US forces used it as did ours in the Falklands war.

Many of us think the causes of and blame for the UK forces inability to assist earlier in the recent disaster and last year too, can be firmly established as faults of the UK Government in withdrawing all maintenance funding from the base before and since 2010.--- The government since have rejected all repeated requests by all the service Chief's for full restoration of its original function at all meetings held with the MOD and cabinet ministers including PM's.

No further comment


Nothing I've ever said suggested or implied that you're not entitled to an opinion ... however, this is a forum where people debate and discuss all sorts of matters and if you expect your opinion to have weight then you need to show familiarity and convincing reasons why ... you haven't done that! Rizla pointed out sound operational reasons pertaining to the current situation and you have avoided that by misdirection onto unrelated topics ,,, but OK let's see if we can bridge the gap?

OK, so what exactly does the link to events in APRIL have to do with the most recent events ?

Where exactly does the Falklands war fit into this - that was decades ago.?

Who is the 'many of us' that you claim to represent ...

Am I supposed to be shocked that the UK Govt did not consult you ?

Do you believe that a Govt exists for the sole purpose of accomodating EVERY request made by service chiefs?
MikeD12online today! MikeD12

Broadstairs, Kent, England UK

Re: Where's the international help
No further comment
HexagonKeySet HexagonKeySet

Central, Waikato New Zealand

Re: Where's the international help
MikeD12: No further comment


:OK - I guess when there's no way of defending the indefensible then that becomes the default!

cheers
jac_the_gripperonline today! jac_the_gripper

..., South Glamorgan, Wales UK

Re: Where's the international help
I've heard stuff in the media about there being plenty of advanced warning and Britain's response in the Virgin Islands being woefully lacking.

I do wonder why troops were sent out there, but weren't used to help make preparations for the storm, but we don't seem to be very sensible when it comes to cost saving preventative measures. We like good looking economic statistics better than sensible economic statistics.

I'm not sure I understand how foreign aid works. I've always thought of it rather simplistically - richer countries give to poorer countries, likely with an expectation of something in return, such as political co-operation.

It never occurred to me that nations who give aid, might also receive it. It never occurred to me that when Britain has had floods (we can be a bit wet) that it wouldn't be sorted out by Britain alone.
aries1234online today! aries1234

Ocean City, Plymouth, , UK

Re: Where's the international help
jac_the_gripper: I've heard stuff in the media about there being plenty of advanced warning and Britain's response in the Virgin Islands being woefully lacking.

I do wonder why troops were sent out there, but weren't used to help make preparations for the storm, but we don't seem to be very sensible when it comes to cost saving preventative measures. We like good looking economic statistics better than sensible economic statistics.

I'm not sure I understand how foreign aid works. I've always thought of it rather simplistically - richer countries give to poorer countries, likely with an expectation of something in return, such as political co-operation.

It never occurred to me that nations who give aid, might also receive it. It never occurred to me that when Britain has had floods (we can be a bit wet) that it wouldn't be sorted out by Britain alone.



Dear Jack, for a start it's not foreign aid, the British Virgin Islands are British.

They are our own just like the Falklanders.

The logistics of carrying out a rescue mission like this are enormous wine
jac_the_gripperonline today! jac_the_gripper

..., South Glamorgan, Wales UK

Re: Where's the international help
I know the British aid in the Virgin Islands isn't foreign aid. I addressed this issue as it had also been raised in this thread.

I addressed the issue of foreign aid in the second half of my post.
aries1234online today! aries1234

Ocean City, Plymouth, , UK

Re: Where's the international help
jac_the_gripper: I know the British aid in the Virgin Islands isn't foreign aid. I addressed this issue as it had also been raised in this thread.

I addressed the issue of foreign aid in the second half of my post.


wine
Re: Where's the international help
rizlared: Why would any other countries help the worlds richest country?

Trump needs to rebuild his Florida whorehouse, how many us citizens will help pay for that? Or maybe most intelligent thinkers will realise he can afford it on his own.


So foreign aid following a natural disaster is compared to unrequited love? wave
KarloradoFL KarloradoFL

Near Daytona Beach, Florida USA

Re: Where's the international help
I'm back after evacuations. Just got the electric back. Everything is OK. Except the Super Wal-Mart it has not reopened yet. Hope it is alright. I depend on that place. Not all the businesses have reopened yet. The Publix super market is open but they have a generator so they can run with the electric lines down. It seems they got all the local traffic lights running, thank goodness.
loulou77online today! loulou77

Vancouver, British Columbia Canada

Re: Where's the international help
KarloradoFL: I'm back after evacuations. Just got the electric back. Everything is OK. Except the Super Wal-Mart it has not reopened yet. Hope it is alright. I depend on that place. Not all the businesses have reopened yet. The Publix super market is open but they have a generator so they can run with the electric lines down. It seems they got all the local traffic lights running, thank goodness.



Glad your safe and sound...hug



wine
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