Bogart_1960: that´s bS. Catalonia has never been independent since Spain become Spain. Catalonia was part of the Kingdom of Aragon, never an independent state. gets your facts. Btw, .In Spain there is one thing called constitution. They are not a "federation" of different "countries".
based on you statement, any idiotic village mayor can declare independence.
I see , Good explanation , thank u
saw some pics , few women there almost killed a police man
Bogart_1960: that´s bS. Catalonia has never been independent since Spain become Spain. Catalonia was part of the Kingdom of Aragon, never an independent state. gets your facts. Btw, .In Spain there is one thing called constitution. They are not a "federation" of different "countries".
based on you statement, any idiotic village mayor can declare independence.
history is a reference that can always be used both ways. It is not that Belgian once owned Congo that we can claim it back suddenly. We also were part of Spain once.
They speak a separate language. they upvoted a splitting party. I think it is a real issue. The Basks tried to get their message across by bombings. The Catalonians didn't make that much fuss. It is almost 6 million people.
I do agree that entire Spain should have a say in it. But you can put a weighing in. Nothing wrong with becoming a federal country for instance, we have one.
And it seems the king isn't really unifying there. (or here)
ChesneyChrist: The beautiful European head of Spain is trying to separate from the African-y mudblood body.
The cultural borders of Europe do not match the lines on the map. If you stand in Milan and walk south you arrive in Africa before crossing water and the same is true if you walk south from Barcelona. If you walk south or east from Vienna here too you will find that Europe ends way before the lines as written.
The present Spanish government has handled this whole situation abysmally.
Under Zapatero, Catalans would have got much more autonomy whilst staying part of Spain, and been content with that.
This government destroyed that agreement, and caused the referendum by treating Catalans like naughty children,
As for their treatment of the actual election - trying to close down polling stations, stopping people voting, and even using rubber bullets on the people is a surefire way of getting even the undecided to want to vote for independence.
ChesneyChrist: The cultural borders of Europe do not match the lines on the map. If you stand in Milan and walk south you arrive in Africa before crossing water and the same is true if you walk south from Barcelona. If you walk south or east from Vienna here too you will find that Europe ends way before the lines as written.
And in the US European civlisation ends roughly beyond the Appalachian mountains.
The present Spanish government has handled this whole situation abysmally.
Under Zapatero, Catalans would have got much more autonomy whilst staying part of Spain, and been content with that.
This government destroyed that agreement, and caused the referendum by treating Catalans like naughty children,
As for their treatment of the actual election - trying to close down polling stations, stopping people voting, and even using rubber bullets on the people is a surefire way of getting even the undecided to want to vote for independence.
Exactly Molly...violence only brings rebellion.
The way the police handled the situation by dragging people out in the streets injuring many is considered an act of violence. Hopefully tomorrow they'll get their own back! Unfortunately it might bring a civil war?
Len05: history is a reference that can always be used both ways. It is not that Belgian once owned Congo that we can claim it back suddenly. We also were part of Spain once.
They speak a separate language. they upvoted a splitting party. I think it is a real issue. The Basks tried to get their message across by bombings. The Catalonians didn't make that much fuss. It is almost 6 million people.
I do agree that entire Spain should have a say in it. But you can put a weighing in. Nothing wrong with becoming a federal country for instance, we have one.
And it seems the king isn't really unifying there. (or here)
hey, Congo did not ask Belgian or Portuguese (before the Belgians) to "take over", or to join the kingdom(s), . We just went there and invade. brutally. Congo had many kingdoms, as I am sure you know.
regarding Catalonia here are the facts:
1. "In early September, the Catalan government approved several laws that enabled an independence referendum and make it binding. However, the Spanish Supreme Court declared that referendum as suspended because it violates the Spanish constitution which states that Spain is indivisible. Whoever helps to organize this referendum therefore violates the constitution"
2. In 2010 Spain’s Constitutional Court issued a ruling that laid the ground for Sunday’s independence referendum in Catalonia. - Nothing to do with "governments". - read:
a. The announcement that Catalonia will declare independence from Spain within 48 hours if voters back secession.
b. Spanish goverment said the unilateral referendum would not be allowed to take place because as it is illegal and a clear breach of the constitution. (makes sense, anyone could declare independence, street, house, etc)
c. In August 2017 Carles Puigdemont called for an independent Catalan Army. (I am sure he wants to be the king too, carles the dotartd). These are the statements: "armies, defence policies, are absolutely indispensable for global combat”.
This is actual Catalonia (and it is not as gold as we might think):
16% of Spain's population live in Catalonia 25.6% of Spain's exports come from Catalonia 19% of Spain's GDP is produced in Catalonia 20.7% of foreign investment in Spain goes to Catalonia 35.3% of Catalonia's GDP is debt
Nothing to do "with corruption money" in the rest of spain. In fact, one of major scandals in Spain, involves catalonia. ‘Palau case’
A survey in June 2017 showed that 49.4% of Catalans were against independence and 41.1% were in favor.
"The Statute has been legally contested by the surrounding Autonomous Communities of Aragon, Balearic Islands and the Valencian Community, as well as by the Partido Popular (at the time the main opposition party at the Spanish Parliament). The objections are based on various topics such as disputed cultural heritage but, especially, on the Statute's alleged breaches of the "solidarity between regions" principle in fiscal and educational matters enshrined by the Spanish Constitution of 1978."
Emotional facts and reality are quite different. regarding police involvement, If someone breaks the law, they're liable to run into conflict with the police. end of "stories".
Btw, I am in favor of federalism, but not morons like Trump, Puigdemont or Bojo. They are dangerous, as they only see their ego, and short time. But i do understand why brixitards and dotartds want Catalonia independent, but not Scotland or Wales.
Btw, I am in favor of federalism, but not morons like Trump, Puigdemont or Bojo. They are dangerous, as they only see their ego, and short time. But i do understand why brixitards and dotartds want Catalonia independent, but not Scotland or Wales.
You do? So which Brixitards and dotartds are they? Besides Scotland and Wales are real countries, I do not believe the same is true for Catalonia.
Whichever way you look at it, the handling by the Spanish Government is appalling and should never have allowed the whole thing to get so far out of control.
rizlared: You do? So which Brixitards and dotartds are they? Besides Scotland and Wales are real countries, I do not believe the same is true for Catalonia.
Whichever way you look at it, the handling by the Spanish Government is appalling and should never have allowed the whole thing to get so far out of control.
Hi riz , few days back we were talking about chines women , how are you ?
So which Brixitards and dotartds are they? - Populist like Trump, Bojo, Lepen, Puigdemont c, etc. I call Brexitards not because they want UK out of EU, but because they want out and they end of EU, even when they are not there). I respect someone who wants (for whatever reason) their country out of an organization, but not to destroy the organization because "we are no longer there". regarding Trump, and his tinkle” down economies bs, (not even that) not going to extent my view. i have posted already.
Besides Scotland and Wales are real countries, I do not believe the same is true for Catalonia. - That´s my point.
Whichever way you look at it, the handling by the Spanish Government is appalling and should never have allowed the whole thing to get so far out of control. - I suggest you to read how autonomous community of Spain are governed. They central government only intervene at the end.
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