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Oct 10, 2017 7:53 PM CST Catalonia [ndependence
Bogart_1960
Bogart_1960Bogart_1960Ask me !, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur France36 Threads 1 Polls 10,012 Posts
Bogart_1960: Have I read that right? I see, you do you get your information from Brexitatrs websites. I will try and make allowances !

A few points:

A) I am not against UK leaving. In fact I am in favor, as it will strength Europe as a solid block against US/China/Russia. Uk only destabilized EU.

2) The legitimacy of brexit is not in question. The majority of people from a country (not region) voted.

Regarding your comments (you need some reading serious reading,), as I don't have time or intention to type, I am adding some links. You might not be able to understand all (try)

1. EU government? who/what are this "EU government" you calling? As you dont know how WU functions, I suggest you to read about how EU. And dont even try the BS of they are not democratic elected.

2. Brexit Bill: Britain concedes it will have to pay EU exit bill (google it !)



Britain has for the first time explicitly acknowledged it has financial obligations to the EU after Brexit. “In a written statement to parliament touching on a “financial settlement”, the government recognised on Thursday “that the UK has obligations to the EU?.?.?.?that will survive the UK’s withdrawal — and that these need to be resolved”.

Britain has been saying it will pay what it owes for months. Here's an example: "The prime minister has been very clear, we’re a nation that honours its obligations and if we do have any bills that fall to be paid, we’ll obviously deal with them in the proper way," Hammond .

3. What makes the bill





“The EU wants London to commit to guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens already in Britain and make that sure border posts do not reappear between Northern Ireland — which is part of the U.K. — and Ireland, which is part of the EU. It also wants Britain to pay up for everything it had agreed to while it was a member. “to pay for the round you ordered.", and that include “pension payments to UK officials working in EU, guarantees on loans such as the bailout of Ireland, and spending on infrastructure and structural funds agreed on but still to be financed. ... and “respect the obligations resulting from the whole period of the U.K. membership” (read more, you might be surprised !)






4. Theresa May asks EU for two-year Brexit transition period . NOT EU. Can you google?

"Theresa May has proposed delaying a full Brexit until 2021 by asking EU countries to agree to a two-year transition period during which the UK would continue to enjoy unfettered access to the single market. “

Seems like the EU wants UK out fast. Ironical. Brexitards dragging their heels.

5. Regarding the "farting" part of you comment (little english bravado, only on paper), First of all, I am not french, second its pointless and pathetic. England is a great country. English people are great, at least the ones I know and deal with, and history is full of examples – Inclusion not exclusion (are you sure you are a teacher?). Brexitards like you have turned that great country into a pathetic circus. Imperial England is gone!

Is that clear enough for you now?

Btw, You don't sound very intelligent, although your punctuation and grammar are always impeccable ! (try harder)


btw, Name a law passed by 'Brussels' that "offends you".??
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Oct 10, 2017 8:58 PM CST Catalonia [ndependence
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
The Global Warming Paris accord is
a Bunch of Crap,,,It APPEARS the
EU Brussels Crowd has Never heard of SUN SPOTS!
((((laughin))))
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Oct 11, 2017 1:41 AM CST Catalonia [ndependence
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
rizlared: Not true, The EU government is determined to make Britain pay for daring to leave, but unlike the French who all fall to the ground and surrender when a pigeon farts, the British will not be pushed around.


Maybe, if pensioners accepted half pension and gave the rest to support Britain through Brexit then maybe. But no, the people who voted for Brexit will not suffer because they don't work. The younger generation is being decimated for the sake of legacy they're the only ones enduring anything here.
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Oct 11, 2017 1:46 AM CST Catalonia [ndependence
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: Maybe, if pensioners accepted half pension and gave the rest to support Britain through Brexit then maybe. But no, the people who voted for Brexit will not suffer because they don't work. The younger generation is being decimated for the sake of legacy they're the only ones enduring anything here.


And forget that we can't even get the Winter Fuel Allowance off them they will literally bleed the country dry because they can't stomach privation. They're a weak people and they've always been weak I blame their parents for being so great, too great.
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Oct 11, 2017 2:02 AM CST Catalonia [ndependence
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: And forget that we can't even get the Winter Fuel Allowance off them they will literally bleed the country dry because they can't stomach privation. They're a weak people and they've always been weak I blame their parents for being so great, too great.


in my dreams Britain pulls together and the young teach the old technology, efficiency and how to be thrifty and then the old spend wiser and can afford to give a little from the massive reserves they copiously waste.
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Oct 11, 2017 2:24 AM CST Catalonia [ndependence
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: in my dreams Britain pulls together and the young teach the old technology, efficiency and how to be thrifty and then the old spend wiser and can afford to give a little from the massive reserves they copiously waste.


You see in today's world savvy shopping and making do are quite cool in stark contrast to the baby boomer ethics of spending as much money as you can afford to waste and not lending sugar to your neighbours etc. The older person's refusal to ever work as a team or to self-indulge modestly must be combated by the spirit of the blitz 2.0.
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Oct 11, 2017 2:45 AM CST Catalonia [ndependence
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And on that note I'm off to bulk buy shop we have pooled resources with the neighbours so that we all get our Weetabix cheaper using the least amount of fuel as possible. And it's not just Weetabix.
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Oct 11, 2017 5:03 AM CST Catalonia [ndependence
rizlaredonline today!
rizlaredonline today!rizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
ChesneyChrist: And on that note I'm off to bulk buy shop we have pooled resources with the neighbours so that we all get our Weetabix cheaper using the least amount of fuel as possible. And it's not just Weetabix.


And that just proves my point, because I make my own Weetabix, far cheaper and more healthy not to mention tastes good too. But because your generation think they know everything it would never cross your minds to actually MAKE something.
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Oct 11, 2017 8:04 AM CST Catalonia [ndependence
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
In any generation (old an new) there are people that produce wealth and others than not.
To generalize, one whole generation in one stereotype is just inaccurate.

in past times, It was more normal that people worked as a "dog" you get paid for what you do.
Now people can be "elephants" they can get an income even if they do not work (like from intelectual work, investments, speculation, etc..) not easy but possible.

so, do you work as a "dog" or as an "elephant"?

This time, finding a job/being productive....can be more difficult for the young people even if they are well prepared because the competition is worldwide.
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Oct 11, 2017 10:29 AM CST Catalonia [ndependence
Duromojon
DuromojonDuromojonTampa, Florida USA99 Threads 1,224 Posts
aries1234: Catalonia has just declared independence,


Ireland & Scotland should do the same
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Oct 11, 2017 2:18 PM CST Catalonia [ndependence
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Here the independentists feel dissapointed because the catalan president made a declaration of independence but suspended its approval by the parlament.

In the other side, the Government has already transferred a request to the President of the Generalitat. It requires him to clarify whether he has proclaimed independence or not.

Rajoy said at the Congress of Deputies that Puigdemont has until Monday at 10:00 am to respond. If he does not or confirms that he has declared the Catalan republic, he would have a second term to rectify, until Thursday.
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Oct 11, 2017 2:54 PM CST Catalonia [ndependence
sergio09
sergio09sergio09Knoxville, Tennessee USA31 Threads 901 Posts
Catalan President Carles Puigdemont and other regional leaders have signed a declaration of independence from Spain, following the disputed referendum.
However, they say the move will not be implemented for several weeks to allow talks with the government in Madrid.
The document calls for Catalonia to be recognised as an "independent and sovereign state".
The move was immediately dismissed by the Spanish central government in Madrid.
A 1 October referendum in the north-eastern province - which Catalan leaders say resulted in a Yes vote for independence - was declared invalid by Spain's Constitutional Court.


From the BBC
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Oct 11, 2017 3:46 PM CST Catalonia [ndependence
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
lifeisadream: In any generation (old an new) there are people that produce wealth and others than not.

Governments and businesses do to generate wealth, people do, still.

To generalize, one whole generation in one stereotype is just inaccurate.

in past times, It was more normal that people worked as a "dog" you get paid for what you do.
Now people can be "elephants" they can get an income even if they do not work (like from intelectual work, investments, speculation, etc..) not easy but possible.

so, do you work as a "dog" or as an "elephant"?

This time, finding a job/being productive....can be more difficult for the young people even if they are well prepared because the competition is worldwide.
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